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Robert either sometimes participated in the lifestyle of his friend Joe, or he was convinced to do so that night. (I think it’s the former.)

There was erotic asphyxiation, during which Robert died. The killer(s) decided to cover up the death with the quite obviously fake intruder story.

The killer(s) placed Robert in the shower (or he’d died in the shower) and stabbed him as a part of the coverup, which is why the blood was lost down the drain.

They redressed him and placed him on the bed before calling 911.

The needle pricks were likely from EMT’s efforts to revive him, though I suppose it’s possible that the killers used needles for the asphyxiation play.

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This poster and the few others in this thread are likely part of the reason the prosecution agreed to the bench trial. Just one person like this who completely ignores the facts and fantasizes in order to blame the victim and you have a hung jury.

This is such a sad and enraging story, and I thought the documentary (which I had not seen before until this thread was bumped recently) was well done. Through the interviews with his friends they managed to give a sense of what a wonderful person Robert Wone was without exploitation. The little we heard from Kathy was powerful: their time together was sacred.

Listening to the judge's ruling was excruciating. I'm not sure I agree that they didn't make out the obstruction charge, but I appreciate that she made it very clear that she believed they were guilty of that and much more. It's disappointing that the documentary and renewed attention didn't result in new information. I hope there is justice one day.

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Robert either sometimes participated in the lifestyle of his friend Joe, or he was convinced to do so that night. (I think it’s the former.)

There was erotic asphyxiation, during which Robert died. The killer(s) decided to cover up the death with the quite obviously fake intruder story.

The killer(s) placed Robert in the shower (or he’d died in the shower) and stabbed him as a part of the coverup, which is why the blood was lost down the drain.

They redressed him and placed him on the bed before calling 911.

The needle pricks were likely from EMT’s efforts to revive him, though I suppose it’s possible that the killers used needles for the asphyxiation play.

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I thought I followed this case BITD (I’m Wone’s age and in DC but didn’t know anyone involved) but holy crap I had no idea about some of the details. Horrible.

Agree with PPs that staying over at a friend’s house in that situation made perfect sense 20 years ago in your late 20s with big jobs, no kids and a wife who you would wake up coming home late when you both had to get up early. And Oakton at that time seemed very far out. Not out of the ordinary at all. What blows my mind is that they didn’t have a lot of notice that he was coming over and managed to put together this crazy evil plan to assault and/or kill him and then have the perfect cleanup and coverup plan in place? WTAF. It never occurred to me before but the PPs who suggested this wasn’t their first time killing someone - makes you think. Also they didn’t even pretend to be upset to 911 and the first responders? To greet everyone in bathrobes having obviously showered is just not even trying to seem like people who had just had their friend murdered by a supposed intruder.

I’m not surprised that the prosecutor was OK with the request for a bench trial - this was a really complicated nuanced conspiracy/ obstruction case instead of a straight up he did it murder. It would be tough to explain to a jury, too. Sometimes lawyers underestimate juries.

Can someone explain the kids and the moms to me - without identifying details of course? Were there kids who were born to the moms before these guys came out? Or were the moms also involved in this house and these relationships? When gay men couples have kids they usually live with them and not with the birth parent. It’s weird that there’s zero in the documentary about this.

I guess this is the rare case when three people can keep a secret.

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Anonymous wrote:I just rewatched this documentary. Any updates on the case?

I’m not aware of any updates, but curious where you were able to find the documentary?

It says in the title of this thread.

Ok, thanks. I know with NF the shows sometimes move around between platforms.

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Anonymous wrote:I just rewatched this documentary. Any updates on the case?

I’m not aware of any updates, but curious where you were able to find the documentary?

It says in the title of this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:What was your takeaway, op?

I'm only on espisode 2 but man those housemates are seeming pretty guilty.

Everyone knows they killed him. What we don't know is how they got away with it.

Anonymous wrote:I just rewatched this documentary. Any updates on the case?

I’m not aware of any updates, but curious where you were able to find the documentary?

I just rewatched this documentary. Any updates on the case?

Anonymous wrote:I always wondered if it was a blood sacrifice of some kind, the body was almost completely drained of blood.

And if so, who took it and what did they do with it?

And if so, surely this may not have been the first time?

This case hurts my heart. I still remember when it happened and following the blog and hoping there would be a break.

This is simply not true! Stop spreading lies. There was significant internal bleeding.

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Anonymous wrote:The shoddiness of the DC lab, weakness of the USAO office and bungling of the handling of the house did the case no favors. I do believe MPD tried hard, this case was a huge focus. Had there been more blood more tests could have been run then or in the future.

I keep coming back to where did all the blood go? Down a drain or siphoned off?

I dunno if I'd say that MPD did their best, though. Wasn't it MPD who was responsible for incorrect application of the substance that was used to try to find more forensic evidence (not luminol, something else)? I definitely think that the USAO got outgunned by the defense, which is pretty predictable. I'm a social worker, not a lawyer, but it seems to me that a jury trial would probably be a better call for both sides, but ESPECIALLY the prosecution, given the problems with the case. "Murder weapon" that is probably not the murder weapon, extreme lack of forensic evidence on the scene, no confessions or movement at all from the 3 living people in the house - all of those things definitely create a reasonable doubt if you're trying to convict them of murder, but that's not what the trial was. Those things definitely create an impression that the 3 living people went to great lengths to cover things up, and juries seem more likely to make an emotional call vs a judge who would maybe see it more clinically.

+1 on jury trial

I'm shocked that the prosecutor just rolled over and let defense have the judge decide it

Isn't that the defendants' constitutionally protected choice?

I'm not sure, I'm not a lawyer. The way the doc presented it, the prosecutor said he essentially "let the defense have that one [because I'm such a good guy]," which didn't make sense to me.

The prosecutor said you have a right to a trial by jury, not a right to a trial by judge. A trial by judge can be requested by either side, but both sides have to agree to it. I think in some jurisdictions you can get a trial by judge without needing the prosecutions consent, like Maryland for instance.

They had a DC judge oversee the case, IIRC.

Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure the kids have always lived with their mothers.

Already addressed several times earlier in the thread, folks. Asked and answered at least twice. The kids apparently live with and have always lived with their moms according to PPs here who followed the case.

Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure the kids have always lived with their mothers.

I would hope so

Pretty sure the kids have always lived with their mothers.

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Anonymous wrote:I read the Wikipedia page on this case. A couple of things popped up that caught my attention.

First, he was working for a government program- Radio Free Asia. Wonder if he might have stepped on toes with that.

Second, the brother of one of the housemates broke into the house after the murder, and took some things from the house. This is what Wikipedia states: "...Three months after Wone's death, Price's brother Michael and an accomplice named Phelps Collins burgled the Swann Street residence; they took more than $7,000 of electronic equipment.[22][23] Two individuals, including Price's brother,[24] were charged with the burglary, but those charges were later dropped.[23] In 2007, the MPDC revealed that they had been preparing to make an arrest in the Wone murder case in 2006, but that the burglary had derailed those plans..." So why would a burglary derail a murder case? Can anyone answer that question?

I wonder if Price paid his brother to burgle his house and steal evidence.

I wondered if the burglary was bc he had NOT paid him for his assistance. I always thought he was the source of the paralytic and was the 4th who took evidence away that night.

Any updates re: Michael?

Any updates re: what Joe is doing these days?

This article tells updates (it’s old now too)

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2016/08/19/wone-case-defendants-now/

Joe Price=Joe Anderson
Dylan Ward=Dylan Thomas

Victor didn’t change his name.

Sick

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Anonymous wrote:I read the Wikipedia page on this case. A couple of things popped up that caught my attention.

First, he was working for a government program- Radio Free Asia. Wonder if he might have stepped on toes with that.

Second, the brother of one of the housemates broke into the house after the murder, and took some things from the house. This is what Wikipedia states: "...Three months after Wone's death, Price's brother Michael and an accomplice named Phelps Collins burgled the Swann Street residence; they took more than $7,000 of electronic equipment.[22][23] Two individuals, including Price's brother,[24] were charged with the burglary, but those charges were later dropped.[23] In 2007, the MPDC revealed that they had been preparing to make an arrest in the Wone murder case in 2006, but that the burglary had derailed those plans..." So why would a burglary derail a murder case? Can anyone answer that question?

I wonder if Price paid his brother to burgle his house and steal evidence.

I wondered if the burglary was bc he had NOT paid him for his assistance. I always thought he was the source of the paralytic and was the 4th who took evidence away that night.

Any updates re: Michael?

Any updates re: what Joe is doing these days?

This article tells updates (it’s old now too)

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2016/08/19/wone-case-defendants-now/

Joe Price=Joe Anderson
Dylan Ward=Dylan Thomas

Victor didn’t change his name.