Anonymous
03/01/2023 10:57
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There’s a fundamental shift happening as the boomers are retiring en masse and more Millennials, Gen Z, and to some extent Gen X are in the workplace. We’re people who have seen that loyalty to a company is meaningless and they will drop you if it’s convenient. We don’t have any chance at pensions and some of us have seen parents get only a portion of what they were promised if theirs went bankrupt. If we want to take our vacation we’re going to take our vacation and there’s not a lot you can do about it. Sure, you can fire us, but there’s always another job hiring.
Sure. But keep it up and there’ll be a few short term stints on your resume and no references so you might not get the jobs you want. Plus, if any promotion possibilities emerge, you won’t be high on the list. It might be wiser to take a longer term view and it shouldn’t be that hard to request leave early (to ensure you have first dibs).
They did - 2 months is plenty of time to figure out a week of coverage. OP is worried he’s going to be too busy writing performance reviews to give them time off like he can’t just write them a different time. He specifically said he expects 24/7 on call from his employees but then freaks out about an errand done during work hours. It’s pretty obvious who is being unreasonable here.
Anonymous
03/01/2023 10:35
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:There’s a fundamental shift happening as the boomers are retiring en masse and more Millennials, Gen Z, and to some extent Gen X are in the workplace. We’re people who have seen that loyalty to a company is meaningless and they will drop you if it’s convenient. We don’t have any chance at pensions and some of us have seen parents get only a portion of what they were promised if theirs went bankrupt. If we want to take our vacation we’re going to take our vacation and there’s not a lot you can do about it. Sure, you can fire us, but there’s always another job hiring.
Sure. But keep it up and there’ll be a few short term stints on your resume and no references so you might not get the jobs you want. Plus, if any promotion possibilities emerge, you won’t be high on the list. It might be wiser to take a longer term view and it shouldn’t be that hard to request leave early (to ensure you have first dibs).
Anonymous
03/01/2023 10:34
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If your organization is so incredibly short staffed that there is literally no back up, plan for a situation where someone has a heart attack or is hospitalized or someone’s parent dies. The problem is not really with the employees. And the same is true with the school system. Ideally, there would be one or two highly trained individuals who are like permanent on-call substitutes for a school who can easily swap in when someone is out I’m saying this is someone who graded finals from a hospital room while high on narcotics because there was no one else who could fulfill that function. here the problem is not with the teacher or the employee but with a system that has no Slack built in for emergencies which can and do happen.
What is with all these silly posts equating planned leave with emergencies. The procedure for requesting leave through a manager is in place so that planned leave requests can be MANAGED ahead of time and don't create emergencies. It is silly to assume businesses should run such that planned leave results emergencies.
The point is that claiming the office can’t function during vacations is a false argument. Emergencies come up and are handled, so something with months notice should be fine.
Anonymous
03/01/2023 10:31
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:There’s a fundamental shift happening as the boomers are retiring en masse and more Millennials, Gen Z, and to some extent Gen X are in the workplace. We’re people who have seen that loyalty to a company is meaningless and they will drop you if it’s convenient. We don’t have any chance at pensions and some of us have seen parents get only a portion of what they were promised if theirs went bankrupt. If we want to take our vacation we’re going to take our vacation and there’s not a lot you can do about it. Sure, you can fire us, but there’s always another job hiring.
Agreed. And we have now seen the arc of our parents careers play out until retirement. We’ve seen our parents spend Lots of hours in the office, travel, etc. and we recognize the toll on their stress, health and happiness. We are saying - no thanks. I’m not accepting any work situation where I can’t see my family, stay healthy and get my deserved vacation time. Not worth having a heart attack to get that promotion faster. I’d rather coach the t-ball team than get the top performer award this quarter. And that’s a valid way to be.
Anonymous
03/01/2023 10:25
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:If your organization is so incredibly short staffed that there is literally no back up, plan for a situation where someone has a heart attack or is hospitalized or someone’s parent dies. The problem is not really with the employees. And the same is true with the school system. Ideally, there would be one or two highly trained individuals who are like permanent on-call substitutes for a school who can easily swap in when someone is out I’m saying this is someone who graded finals from a hospital room while high on narcotics because there was no one else who could fulfill that function. here the problem is not with the teacher or the employee but with a system that has no Slack built in for emergencies which can and do happen.
What is with all these silly posts equating planned leave with emergencies. The procedure for requesting leave through a manager is in place so that planned leave requests can be MANAGED ahead of time and don't create emergencies. It is silly to assume businesses should run such that planned leave results emergencies.
Anonymous
03/01/2023 10:20
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
Is the mother of the high school graduate getting married? I'm confused.
Anonymous
03/01/2023 10:13
Subject: Re:Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:You can't figure out coverage for one week with three months' advance notice? Where one of the employees already identified another employee willing to cover?
What is the point of you?
+ 1. OP is on a power trip, a rules for the sake of rules kind of guy.
Anonymous
03/01/2023 10:13
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:And now Ms. High School Graduation lied to me this afternoon. She was OOO and apparently was getting fit for a wedding t dress. When asked where she was and why I couldn’t reach her she claimed to be with a potential client. Her assistant told me otherwise.
Wow big year for this women, kid graduating and getting married.
Don’t worry she is quitting soon.
Anonymous
03/01/2023 10:07
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
There’s a fundamental shift happening as the boomers are retiring en masse and more Millennials, Gen Z, and to some extent Gen X are in the workplace. We’re people who have seen that loyalty to a company is meaningless and they will drop you if it’s convenient. We don’t have any chance at pensions and some of us have seen parents get only a portion of what they were promised if theirs went bankrupt. If we want to take our vacation we’re going to take our vacation and there’s not a lot you can do about it. Sure, you can fire us, but there’s always another job hiring.
Anonymous
03/01/2023 09:57
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is why the great resignation is a thing.
And why so many people complain that they have no money. LOL
No one wants to work for it.
A decent amount of folks are seeking alternative ways of making money while performing minimal work.
and I wish them good luck with that, though I believe that is really just asking parents for money.
You sound old.
(full time employed Gen.X)
Anonymous
03/01/2023 09:56
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm tired of working for jerks.
And how does a millennial have a hs graduate? I'm 36 and am an older millennial.
My sister is an old millennial (41) and her DS is graduating this spring.
Per Harvard, your sister is actually an Xer.
Anonymous
03/01/2023 09:54
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is why the great resignation is a thing.
And why so many people complain that they have no money. LOL
No one wants to work for it.
Oh, you seriously just dropped a No One Wants To Work. How embarrassing for you.
Anonymous
03/01/2023 09:52
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:Why do you need a week off or any time off for a HS Graduation? At most a day. My two kids HS graduation both I took a 1/2 day.
Other than my own wedding I never take off for a wedding they are at night or the weekend.
I’m sorry you’ve never traveled to a wedding. Weird flex, but OK.
Anonymous
03/01/2023 09:50
Subject: Re:Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone need a week off to attend a wedding or graduation?
I only took 3 days off work for my own wedding (wedding was on a Saturday; I took off Thursday, Fri, and Monday)
-also a millennial
Imagine thinking this is something to brag about.
Anonymous
03/01/2023 09:48
Subject: Tired of Managing Millenials
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP I hope both of them quit and you’re stuck scrambling. They don’t deserve your garbage leadership.
And I hope OP fires them both and your boss (if you are even employed) fires you.
They won’t. Keep dreaming though.