Anonymous
02/27/2023 16:28
Subject: Jessa Duggar had an abortion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I had a miscarriage that I decided to let naturally pass rather than go through a medical procedure
My records still say "spontaneous abortion"
That is the actual medical term.
True.
This has been debated to death. Yes, it’s the correct medical term. No, it’s not an illegal “abortion” under the relevant law.
But Jessa’s is illegal. She didn’t let it naturally pass, she had a procedure. And other women aren’t able to get the same life saving abortion, to say nothing of women who are now pregnant with pregnancies they don’t want. You’re a ghoul.
Nothing you typed is true. Her procedure was legal. Any woman in her state meeting the requirements of the law can receive a d and c.
You are a liar.
No they can’t, no they can’t no they can’t. You and LifeNews will keep ignoring all the millions of women brought past the point of safety and the forced birthers in those horrible state governments will suppress the deaths. You have blood on your hands.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 16:27
Subject: Jessa Duggar had an abortion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂
We live in the worst time line.
I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.
Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.
And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.
Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”
The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?
How do you know unborn babies don’t have souls? Do you have a link to a confirmation via a scientific test? Post it.
Why is “unborn” in quotes? Are we not discussing unborn humans? Are you suggesting they are not unborn?
No they’re fetuses. Fetuses about whom you don’t care except for forcing women to birth them. You don’t like prenatal care, you think socialized healthcare is the devil, teaching critical thinking is “grooming” kids but that child marriage is a good idea, you think any kind of safety regulation is contrary to God’s law and that guns should be everywhere up to and including on a kindergarten teacher’s back.
You are a forced birther, hostile to life and progress. You do the work of the Devil and say it’s for the Lord.
They are human fetuses. Not whale fetuses, or mice fetuses, or giraffe fetuses, or dog fetuses. They are human fetuses.
You have zero idea at what I like and don’t like.
I think people who put words in someone else’s mouth are weak and ignorant, because you can’t speak for yourself and have to make up lies about other people.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 16:24
Subject: Jessa Duggar had an abortion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I had a miscarriage that I decided to let naturally pass rather than go through a medical procedure
My records still say "spontaneous abortion"
That is the actual medical term.
True.
This has been debated to death. Yes, it’s the correct medical term. No, it’s not an illegal “abortion” under the relevant law.
But Jessa’s is illegal. She didn’t let it naturally pass, she had a procedure. And other women aren’t able to get the same life saving abortion, to say nothing of women who are now pregnant with pregnancies they don’t want. You’re a ghoul.
Nothing you typed is true. Her procedure was legal. Any woman in her state meeting the requirements of the law can receive a d and c.
You are a liar.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 16:23
Subject: Jessa Duggar had an abortion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂
We live in the worst time line.
I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.
Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.
And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.
Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”
The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?
also, why do you call humans “creatures?”
They aren’t creatures, they are humans.
Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.
Are you trying to base laws on your spiritual beliefs?
God's laws. Not mine. If it were up to me, I'd give fetuses a soul at conception.
Damn. I grew up as a Southern Baptist, and I’m pretty sure if I said that at church it would’ve been considered blasphemous, thinking you could do a better job than God. No wonder you think you should control women, you think you know better than God so of course you know better than all the baby mamas. That post really cleared things up for me.
And this is why we can never win with logic against people like this. There is none, and they simultaneously want to use god to control other people and criticize god for not doing a good enough job.
Once you free yourself from calling these controlling losers “pro life” you’re able to see what monsters they are.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 16:23
Subject: Jessa Duggar had an abortion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂
We live in the worst time line.
I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.
Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.
And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.
Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”
The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?
How do you know unborn babies don’t have souls? Do you have a link to a confirmation via a scientific test? Post it.
Why is “unborn” in quotes? Are we not discussing unborn humans? Are you suggesting they are not unborn?
No they’re fetuses. Fetuses about whom you don’t care except for forcing women to birth them. You don’t like prenatal care, you think socialized healthcare is the devil, teaching critical thinking is “grooming” kids but that child marriage is a good idea, you think any kind of safety regulation is contrary to God’s law and that guns should be everywhere up to and including on a kindergarten teacher’s back.
You are a forced birther, hostile to life and progress. You do the work of the Devil and say it’s for the Lord.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 16:22
Subject: Jessa Duggar had an abortion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂
We live in the worst time line.
I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.
Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.
And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.
Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”
The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?
also, why do you call humans “creatures?”
They aren’t creatures, they are humans.
Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.
Are you trying to base laws on your spiritual beliefs?
God's laws. Not mine. If it were up to me, I'd give fetuses a soul at conception.
Damn. I grew up as a Southern Baptist, and I’m pretty sure if I said that at church it would’ve been considered blasphemous, thinking you could do a better job than God. No wonder you think you should control women, you think you know better than God so of course you know better than all the baby mamas. That post really cleared things up for me.
And this is why we can never win with logic against people like this. There is none, and they simultaneously want to use god to control other people and criticize god for not doing a good enough job.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 16:19
Subject: Jessa Duggar had an abortion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I had a miscarriage that I decided to let naturally pass rather than go through a medical procedure
My records still say "spontaneous abortion"
That is the actual medical term.
True.
This has been debated to death. Yes, it’s the correct medical term. No, it’s not an illegal “abortion” under the relevant law.
But Jessa’s is illegal. She didn’t let it naturally pass, she had a procedure. And other women aren’t able to get the same life saving abortion, to say nothing of women who are now pregnant with pregnancies they don’t want. You’re a ghoul.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 16:17
Subject: Jessa Duggar had an abortion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂
We live in the worst time line.
I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.
Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.
And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.
Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”
The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?
How do you know unborn babies don’t have souls? Do you have a link to a confirmation via a scientific test? Post it.
Why is “unborn” in quotes? Are we not discussing unborn humans? Are you suggesting they are not unborn?
DP. I remember when my OB showed me the soul on the 20 week ultrasound when I was pregnant with my daughter. I thought it was her nose, but I was never good at those magic eye puzzles either, so ultrasounds really confound me. We never saw my son’s soul, but when he was born we realized he probably didn’t have one because he’s a ginger. Sorry, little guy, you’re cursed. I didn’t realize the soul was identifiable that early in the second trimester. I don’t remember my pregnancy app pointing out the soul being present then. It just said the fetus is the size of a plum and the organs are started and in their proper places. I guess it was implied that the soul was there, but I never really considered it an organ. Obviously I’m not a doctor like the PP.
“Unborn” is probably in quotes because there’s a better word: fetus.
The heart isn’t fully formed until nearly halfway through the pregnancy so the “heartbeat” is just cardiac activity before that. It’s funny how laws regarding healthcare are written around “common knowledge” and “accepted language” rather than medical facts and terminology.
fe·tus
/ˈfēdəs/
noun
an offspring of a human or other mammal in the stages of prenatal development that follow the embryo stage (in humans taken as beginning eight weeks after conception)
"adequate folic acid is important for the developing fetus"
un·born
/ˌənˈbôrn/
adjective
(of a baby) not yet born.
"the sound of an unborn baby's heartbeat"
Thank you for agreeing that fetus, a noun, is the better word choice than unborn, which is an adjective. Unborn describes the fetus. The unborn being which Jessa had surgically removed was a fetus. If she had waited for her body to expel it naturally, she might have been at risk of complications, and I would’ve made the same choice as she did. I believe all women should have the right to terminate their pregnancies or manage a miscarriage in a controlled way, for convenience or for medical reasons, just like Jessa did. I also believe that if women who feel that shouldn’t be a right are held accountable when they choose to have the fetus (aka unborn child) surgically removed after getting the laws they wanted passed, maybe they’ll be more supportive of women’s right to healthcare.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 16:04
Subject: Jessa Duggar had an abortion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂
We live in the worst time line.
I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.
Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.
And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.
Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”
The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?
also, why do you call humans “creatures?”
They aren’t creatures, they are humans.
Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.
Are you trying to base laws on your spiritual beliefs?
God's laws. Not mine. If it were up to me, I'd give fetuses a soul at conception.
What religion are you?
Anonymous
02/27/2023 15:57
Subject: Jessa Duggar had an abortion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂
We live in the worst time line.
I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.
Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.
And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.
Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”
The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?
also, why do you call humans “creatures?”
They aren’t creatures, they are humans.
Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.
Are you trying to base laws on your spiritual beliefs?
God's laws. Not mine. If it were up to me, I'd give fetuses a soul at conception.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 15:52
Subject: Jessa Duggar had an abortion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂
We live in the worst time line.
I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.
Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.
And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.
Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”
The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?
How do you know unborn babies don’t have souls? Do you have a link to a confirmation via a scientific test? Post it.
Why is “unborn” in quotes? Are we not discussing unborn humans? Are you suggesting they are not unborn?
DP. I remember when my OB showed me the soul on the 20 week ultrasound when I was pregnant with my daughter. I thought it was her nose, but I was never good at those magic eye puzzles either, so ultrasounds really confound me. We never saw my son’s soul, but when he was born we realized he probably didn’t have one because he’s a ginger. Sorry, little guy, you’re cursed. I didn’t realize the soul was identifiable that early in the second trimester. I don’t remember my pregnancy app pointing out the soul being present then. It just said the fetus is the size of a plum and the organs are started and in their proper places. I guess it was implied that the soul was there, but I never really considered it an organ. Obviously I’m not a doctor like the PP.
“Unborn” is probably in quotes because there’s a better word: fetus.
The heart isn’t fully formed until nearly halfway through the pregnancy so the “heartbeat” is just cardiac activity before that. It’s funny how laws regarding healthcare are written around “common knowledge” and “accepted language” rather than medical facts and terminology.
fe·tus
/ˈfēdəs/
noun
an offspring of a human or other mammal in the stages of prenatal development that follow the embryo stage (in humans taken as beginning eight weeks after conception)
"adequate folic acid is important for the developing fetus"
un·born
/ˌənˈbôrn/
adjective
(of a baby) not yet born.
"the sound of an unborn baby's heartbeat"
Anonymous
02/27/2023 15:18
Subject: Jessa Duggar had an abortion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂
We live in the worst time line.
I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.
Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.
And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.
Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”
The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?
also, why do you call humans “creatures?”
They aren’t creatures, they are humans.
Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.
Are you trying to base laws on your spiritual beliefs?
The GOP sure as hell is.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 14:59
Subject: Jessa Duggar had an abortion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂
We live in the worst time line.
I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.
Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.
And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.
Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”
The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?
also, why do you call humans “creatures?”
They aren’t creatures, they are humans.
Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.
Are you trying to base laws on your spiritual beliefs?
Anonymous
02/27/2023 14:54
Subject: Jessa Duggar had an abortion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂
We live in the worst time line.
I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.
Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.
And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.
Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”
The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?
also, why do you call humans “creatures?”
They aren’t creatures, they are humans.
Until they get a soul, they're not human. Sign of the godless times we live in; thinking you can be human without a soul. Surely, you'll agree that there is something more to being human (something holy!) than simply having biological functions and the correct number of chromosomes.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 14:52
Subject: Jessa Duggar had an abortion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The most insane part of this ridiculous thread:
Conservatives trying to use semantics to convince people that a D&C isn’t an “abortion” 😂
We live in the worst time line.
I’m pro-choice, and I had a miscarriage with a D&C, and I wouldn’t go and say that I had an abortion (even though that is the medical term). The accepted connotation of “abortion” is voluntarily ending a pregnancy.
Precision of terminology is important. If the term abortion is fully understood in its medical definition then sweeping abortion bans would have to be rewritten. But GOP doesn’t want that. They like the fear that the imprecision brings along because it makes the law even stricter than what they claim it is. Your procedure was legal, but there are extremists put there who would want to make it illegal.
And if we stopped demonizing the word abortion it wouldn’t matter to people what medical records say.
Yes, let’s just kill the unborn and call it “health care.”
The "unborn" don't even have souls. What's your problem with a woman removing these soulless creatures from their bodies?
How do you know unborn babies don’t have souls? Do you have a link to a confirmation via a scientific test? Post it.
Why is “unborn” in quotes? Are we not discussing unborn humans? Are you suggesting they are not unborn?
Why would you think a fetus younger than 12 weeks has a soul? You know more about souls than Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas? The arrogance!
And no we're not talking about unborn *humans.* Without a soul, they can't be human!