Anonymous
01/06/2023 08:10
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I see the after-hour email monitoring as tracking more with individual ambition and interest in upward mobility than current salary.
How is that possibly related? Are you gonna put in a promotion packet “I checked email at 8pm and responded to something”?
You absolutely should add a line about responding to time sensitive items after hours. Why wouldn’t you put that in a review?
-np
Anonymous
01/06/2023 07:55
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:This just happened. Is this reasonable? Barely any acknowledgment of how ridiculous it is from my boss. I missed the 8-8:30am meeting that was scheduled at 9pm last night because I don’t check my email late at night and I drop my daughter off at school, so I get online at about 8:30/8:45.
The explanation was that there’s an immediate deadline, but this project has been ongoing, so I fail to understand why the invite couldn’t have been sent out at least during the workday yesterday.
If it's outside of your normal work hours, you are good. If your work day starts at 8 or before, then it's on you.
Anonymous
01/06/2023 07:51
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I see the after-hour email monitoring as tracking more with individual ambition and interest in upward mobility than current salary.
How is that possibly related? Are you gonna put in a promotion packet “I checked email at 8pm and responded to something”?
If you don’t see how these are related, that says a lot about your situational awareness.
I’ve been regularly promoted on the basis of exceptional work, not simply responding to emails after hours. So explain how this is crucial part of moving up?
Anonymous
01/06/2023 07:41
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
This whole thread is why I am self employed. I know its not possible for everyone but sometimes I get comments re: lack of prestige of my job. I control 100% of what I do and when. This kind of stuff just reminds me why I wouldn't go back.
Sorry, OP. I think it's totally unreasonable.
Sorry, OP. I think it's totally unreasonable.
Anonymous
01/06/2023 07:33
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I see the after-hour email monitoring as tracking more with individual ambition and interest in upward mobility than current salary.
How is that possibly related? Are you gonna put in a promotion packet “I checked email at 8pm and responded to something”?
If you don’t see how these are related, that says a lot about your situational awareness.
Anonymous
01/06/2023 06:47
Subject: Re:Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That's frustrating, OP.
I've learned that while I'm pouring my morning cup of coffee to quickly check my work calendar to see what meetings I have that day. Doing that at 6am means I can see if anything popped up after I got offline the night before. My boss is one who often works at 10pm so this could totally happen to me.
I can’t just adjust last minute though, since I have to drop off my daughter. If I had known even during the day yesterday, I could have made arrangements.
I hear you but at least you could have declined the meeting rather than not knowing about it at all.
Fair enough. I guess I now need to be one of those people who is checking email at all hours. So much for work-life balance!
You asked for this by begging to work from home. Enjoy!
How does WAH vs WOH change a 9pm email?
Because she's be at work at 8 am otherwise, not dropping off her kid. You don't get work-life balance working from home, sorry!
How narrow-minded do you have to be to assume that work must start at 8am. It just depends on the industry - 8am would be an egregiously late start for a trading desk, and an incredibly early start for NY big law.
Again, you don't get work-life balance working from home. You all begged for it, and now you're reaping what you've sowed. Cry me a river.
DP.
I get to wake up early in the morning and do a good chunk of my my work before anyone in my house wakes up.. This is work life balance for me. Give me the early meetings and remote work anyday.
With the early morning meetings, if I can't make it, I can't. But when I can make a meeting, I always do. We have clients from all over the world so oddly scheduled meetings do happen.
Anonymous
01/06/2023 06:41
Subject: Re:Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
This happens every other week at my job. Lol.
I just go with it, but I think it's crazy.
I just go with it, but I think it's crazy.
Anonymous
01/06/2023 05:35
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:It’s 12 midnight now and doing my last slack and Gmail
Check. If someone contacted me or something will respond. Work starts in 3 hours if it was someone in UK and it is already today my Japan and Indian co-workers. I will check again at 6:30 am.
I will then help get kid outs and then go on line in PJs with coffee from 730 -830 then get showered and dressed for work as meeting usually don’t start till 10am.
I also sometimes have meetings with San Fran people at 5-6pm.
Am I supposed to memorize time zones? I respond when I respond. And this year we basically have deemed it racist to force holiday celebrations on people who don’t celebrate. So Xmas, July 4, Thanksgiving folks may be working.
Plus I don’t know your country. I got a IT issue fixed Thanksgiving morning while waiting for someone to get out of shower. The IT guy in India fixed it.
I am not saying work 24/7 but really someone asking for edit rights in my Google doc during a commercial break of So Help me Todd tonight is a two second thing. Are people just supposed to wait days for you to respond. I mean Friday 5 pm to Monday 9 am is eternity if someone in San Fran contacted you at 3:10 pm on a Friday
And 160k is a big salary. Tech support people are online a lot for 1/2 that
Your life sounds like hell. That was me and I didn’t realize how burnt out I was until I left.
Anonymous
01/06/2023 03:13
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:I see the after-hour email monitoring as tracking more with individual ambition and interest in upward mobility than current salary.
How is that possibly related? Are you gonna put in a promotion packet “I checked email at 8pm and responded to something”?
Anonymous
01/06/2023 00:19
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:No one cares what time you drop your kids off. The fact that you bring this up .. as if people care means you're clueless.
Lady, you don’t get a gold star for not caring about anyone but yourself. We live in a society. A society includes people having kids, people having personal lives, people just trying to make a living and have a good life. Why you insist on being miserable to yourself and others to please your capitalist overlords is completely lost on me.
Anonymous
01/06/2023 00:19
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:It’s 12 midnight now and doing my last slack and Gmail
Check. If someone contacted me or something will respond. Work starts in 3 hours if it was someone in UK and it is already today my Japan and Indian co-workers. I will check again at 6:30 am.
I will then help get kid outs and then go on line in PJs with coffee from 730 -830 then get showered and dressed for work as meeting usually don’t start till 10am.
I also sometimes have meetings with San Fran people at 5-6pm.
Am I supposed to memorize time zones? I respond when I respond. And this year we basically have deemed it racist to force holiday celebrations on people who don’t celebrate. So Xmas, July 4, Thanksgiving folks may be working.
Plus I don’t know your country. I got a IT issue fixed Thanksgiving morning while waiting for someone to get out of shower. The IT guy in India fixed it.
I am not saying work 24/7 but really someone asking for edit rights in my Google doc during a commercial break of So Help me Todd tonight is a two second thing. Are people just supposed to wait days for you to respond. I mean Friday 5 pm to Monday 9 am is eternity if someone in San Fran contacted you at 3:10 pm on a Friday
And 160k is a big salary. Tech support people are online a lot for 1/2 that
The world and your company will not end if you don’t respond to an email immediately.
Heck, the world and your company will not end if you get hit by a bus tomorrow.
Anonymous
01/06/2023 00:09
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
It’s 12 midnight now and doing my last slack and Gmail
Check. If someone contacted me or something will respond. Work starts in 3 hours if it was someone in UK and it is already today my Japan and Indian co-workers. I will check again at 6:30 am.
I will then help get kid outs and then go on line in PJs with coffee from 730 -830 then get showered and dressed for work as meeting usually don’t start till 10am.
I also sometimes have meetings with San Fran people at 5-6pm.
Am I supposed to memorize time zones? I respond when I respond. And this year we basically have deemed it racist to force holiday celebrations on people who don’t celebrate. So Xmas, July 4, Thanksgiving folks may be working.
Plus I don’t know your country. I got a IT issue fixed Thanksgiving morning while waiting for someone to get out of shower. The IT guy in India fixed it.
I am not saying work 24/7 but really someone asking for edit rights in my Google doc during a commercial break of So Help me Todd tonight is a two second thing. Are people just supposed to wait days for you to respond. I mean Friday 5 pm to Monday 9 am is eternity if someone in San Fran contacted you at 3:10 pm on a Friday
And 160k is a big salary. Tech support people are online a lot for 1/2 that
Check. If someone contacted me or something will respond. Work starts in 3 hours if it was someone in UK and it is already today my Japan and Indian co-workers. I will check again at 6:30 am.
I will then help get kid outs and then go on line in PJs with coffee from 730 -830 then get showered and dressed for work as meeting usually don’t start till 10am.
I also sometimes have meetings with San Fran people at 5-6pm.
Am I supposed to memorize time zones? I respond when I respond. And this year we basically have deemed it racist to force holiday celebrations on people who don’t celebrate. So Xmas, July 4, Thanksgiving folks may be working.
Plus I don’t know your country. I got a IT issue fixed Thanksgiving morning while waiting for someone to get out of shower. The IT guy in India fixed it.
I am not saying work 24/7 but really someone asking for edit rights in my Google doc during a commercial break of So Help me Todd tonight is a two second thing. Are people just supposed to wait days for you to respond. I mean Friday 5 pm to Monday 9 am is eternity if someone in San Fran contacted you at 3:10 pm on a Friday
And 160k is a big salary. Tech support people are online a lot for 1/2 that
Anonymous
01/05/2023 23:18
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
No one cares what time you drop your kids off. The fact that you bring this up .. as if people care means you're clueless.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 23:03
Subject: Re:Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That's frustrating, OP.
I've learned that while I'm pouring my morning cup of coffee to quickly check my work calendar to see what meetings I have that day. Doing that at 6am means I can see if anything popped up after I got offline the night before. My boss is one who often works at 10pm so this could totally happen to me.
I can’t just adjust last minute though, since I have to drop off my daughter. If I had known even during the day yesterday, I could have made arrangements.
I hear you but at least you could have declined the meeting rather than not knowing about it at all.
Fair enough. I guess I now need to be one of those people who is checking email at all hours. So much for work-life balance!
You asked for this by begging to work from home. Enjoy!
How does WAH vs WOH change a 9pm email?
Because she's be at work at 8 am otherwise, not dropping off her kid. You don't get work-life balance working from home, sorry!
How narrow-minded do you have to be to assume that work must start at 8am. It just depends on the industry - 8am would be an egregiously late start for a trading desk, and an incredibly early start for NY big law.
Again, you don't get work-life balance working from home. You all begged for it, and now you're reaping what you've sowed. Cry me a river.
I don't get this. Do you think office jobs are all inflexible? I work from the office every day and I drop my kids off at 8... because I'm in the office at 9! I leave at 3 and finish up after my kids go to bed. I have been doing this since way before the pandemic.
Anonymous
01/05/2023 23:01
Subject: Re:Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:I start work at 8:30, and I don't check my work phone after hours, so no, to me it's not reasonable. I'm doing domestic tasks at 8.
This. I don't have a high powered job and I don't make a million dollars but I open my computer at 9 and close it at 5:30.