Anonymous
09/04/2022 11:35
Subject: controversial opinions about college
Anonymous wrote:That is really and truly doesn’t matter where you go to college.
Depends what you mean by matter.
Anonymous
09/04/2022 11:33
Subject: controversial opinions about college
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you're old enough to go in the military, you should be allowed to drink alcohol.
The data doesn’t support this, dwi accidents were significantly higher when 18 year olds could legally drink,
You think it is right that you can't buy a beer at 18 but can be prosecuted as an adult for drinking one?
Anonymous
09/04/2022 11:31
Subject: Re:controversial opinions about college
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:College might be your only chance to study Gregorian chant or read Tolstoy or ask yourself whether you believe in utilitarianism. Go for it. Smart, realistic, self-aware people with a good work ethic and strong critical thinking, research, and writing skills will figure out a way to make enough money -- and maybe even have some fun doing it.
You’ve got this backward. Smart people will figure out a way to “study Gregorian chant or read Tolstoy or ask yourself whether you believe in utilitarianism” without paying $300,000 for it. They will go to college to make enough money to make that $300,000 education pay off.
The days of “go to college to acquire knowledge for its own sake to make you a better person” are long gone. The humanities and liberal arts departments that sell that line of propaganda have priced themselves out of the market.
Which is unfortunate. I ended up in a STEM career but my undergrad is in a liberal arts major that in many ways prepared me better for thinking outside the box. There are a lot of book smart people who are very concrete thinkers. They can be brilliant in a certain area but fall apart with things deviate from the norm or fall outside their area of expertise. I would say people with a broad knowledge are also less likely to buy into propaganda. But yes, it is no longer a feasible option for many people.
Anonymous
09/04/2022 11:19
Subject: controversial opinions about college
Anonymous wrote:Making people pay for college is actually a good thing.
Clearly you are not educated.
Anonymous
09/04/2022 11:17
Subject: controversial opinions about college
Expecting colleges to simultaneously provide the most modern amenities and cut costs is strange.
We don’t find out state schools enough so they have to charge more.
Donors shouldn’t be allowed to earmark gifts for things the college hasn’t articulated a need for in their strategic plan. There’s a ton of money sitting in endowments that the colleges can’t direct towards student needs because some donor thinks they need a Alfred Smith IV Center for Mosquito Appreciation.
We don’t find out state schools enough so they have to charge more.
Donors shouldn’t be allowed to earmark gifts for things the college hasn’t articulated a need for in their strategic plan. There’s a ton of money sitting in endowments that the colleges can’t direct towards student needs because some donor thinks they need a Alfred Smith IV Center for Mosquito Appreciation.
Anonymous
09/04/2022 11:05
Subject: controversial opinions about college
Anonymous wrote:If you're old enough to go in the military, you should be allowed to drink alcohol.
The data doesn’t support this, dwi accidents were significantly higher when 18 year olds could legally drink,
Anonymous
09/04/2022 11:01
Subject: controversial opinions about college
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:SAT scores do not measure intelligence or college readiness
I know of some very bright kids who had to go to work during high school years to help support their parents/family
Every kid doesn’t have full support, or safe stable home for the 18 years of life
Despite that some of those have managed to do well later on in life
Learning doesn’t end when you graduate. I am in IT and am constantly studying and acquiring new skills
College was just a foundation that opens the door to the profession, thereafter you have the skills to open a book and self teach yourself what you need to know
While they do not “measure” IQ, as they are not an intelligence test per se, SAT scores are nonetheless highly correlated with IQ. Let’s not imply otherwise.
But also tied with SES and the accumulated educational supports over a lifetime that come with higher SES.
Of course — and so is IQ.
This I do not agree with
My father was raised in post ww2 Europe and managed to get a degree in Engineering
By modern times measurement that would have been a very low SES
Plenty of people from low income backgrounds have become very highly educated. You do not agree because you live in a country where it is hard for someone without a rich daddy to do the same
The premise of this segment is using the exception to define the rule. While it is true that some intelligent people will do poorly on the SAT, that does not mean the SAT does not measure intelligence or college readiness; it means some kids will show their intelligence and college readiness through other means on an application. The inverse is not true. The kid who scores above 1400 on the SAT is intelligent and ready for college, and the test results do show this. For both students, the test is only one part of the total package.
Anonymous
09/04/2022 10:50
Subject: controversial opinions about college
Anonymous wrote:Despite all the people who love to virtue signal and preach to the contrary, prestige matters. Attending an elite school can change the trajectory of one's life in huge and little ways.
I don’t doubt bc of all the connections people make at elite schools. Which brings me to my controversial college opinion. Oftentimes where you end up in life has more to do with your family of origin SES and who you know. Not how hard you work or how smart you are… But the people in Money/finance forum don’t like to admit it. Btw, We are a college donut hole family. Will never qualify for needs based aid but cannot afford elite schools.
Anonymous
09/04/2022 10:43
Subject: Re:controversial opinions about college
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You are attending school with people whose parents or grandparents were president (Roosevelt, Kennedy, Bush, Obama, Biden) or billionaire CEOs of companies or entertainment megastars. These are the connections that help make the school elite.
If you are middle class Joe Schmo from suburbia then these scions of wealth and the political elite are not going to be your best buddy. They associate with each other not with nobodies. Sorry.
I am not saying you are necessarily hanging out with the scions of the wealthy or political elite, but that fact that these kids attend the college is part of why the school is considered elite and prestigious. Get it? The academics at the very elite schools and basically every school in the top 50 is going to be pretty similar. The prestige of the school isn’t about the academics!!
The scions of wealth have always been afraid that the Joe Scho from suburbia could be smarter than them, and even be more street smart
And the scions of wealth know they are boring people
Joe Scho is a much more we’ll rounded person and has lived a more interesting life
What does this have to do with anything? We are talking about what makes a school prestigious and elite, not which student is more interesting.
Anonymous
09/04/2022 10:40
Subject: Re:controversial opinions about college
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You are attending school with people whose parents or grandparents were president (Roosevelt, Kennedy, Bush, Obama, Biden) or billionaire CEOs of companies or entertainment megastars. These are the connections that help make the school elite.
If you are middle class Joe Schmo from suburbia then these scions of wealth and the political elite are not going to be your best buddy. They associate with each other not with nobodies. Sorry.
I am not saying you are necessarily hanging out with the scions of the wealthy or political elite, but that fact that these kids attend the college is part of why the school is considered elite and prestigious. Get it? The academics at the very elite schools and basically every school in the top 50 is going to be pretty similar. The prestige of the school isn’t about the academics!!
Did you even attend an ivy. I feel like you zero clue.
And Do you know truly wealthy, jet owning people. Again you are clueless
Yes and Yes.
Anonymous
09/04/2022 10:22
Subject: Re:controversial opinions about college
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You are attending school with people whose parents or grandparents were president (Roosevelt, Kennedy, Bush, Obama, Biden) or billionaire CEOs of companies or entertainment megastars. These are the connections that help make the school elite.
If you are middle class Joe Schmo from suburbia then these scions of wealth and the political elite are not going to be your best buddy. They associate with each other not with nobodies. Sorry.
I am not saying you are necessarily hanging out with the scions of the wealthy or political elite, but that fact that these kids attend the college is part of why the school is considered elite and prestigious. Get it? The academics at the very elite schools and basically every school in the top 50 is going to be pretty similar. The prestige of the school isn’t about the academics!!
Did you even attend an ivy. I feel like you zero clue.
And Do you know truly wealthy, jet owning people. Again you are clueless
Anonymous
09/04/2022 09:42
Subject: Re:controversial opinions about college
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You are attending school with people whose parents or grandparents were president (Roosevelt, Kennedy, Bush, Obama, Biden) or billionaire CEOs of companies or entertainment megastars. These are the connections that help make the school elite.
If you are middle class Joe Schmo from suburbia then these scions of wealth and the political elite are not going to be your best buddy. They associate with each other not with nobodies. Sorry.
I am not saying you are necessarily hanging out with the scions of the wealthy or political elite, but that fact that these kids attend the college is part of why the school is considered elite and prestigious. Get it? The academics at the very elite schools and basically every school in the top 50 is going to be pretty similar. The prestige of the school isn’t about the academics!!
The scions of wealth have always been afraid that the Joe Scho from suburbia could be smarter than them, and even be more street smart
And the scions of wealth know they are boring people
Joe Scho is a much more we’ll rounded person and has lived a more interesting life
Anonymous
09/04/2022 09:37
Subject: Re:controversial opinions about college
Anonymous wrote:You are attending school with people whose parents or grandparents were president (Roosevelt, Kennedy, Bush, Obama, Biden) or billionaire CEOs of companies or entertainment megastars. These are the connections that help make the school elite.
If you are middle class Joe Schmo from suburbia then these scions of wealth and the political elite are not going to be your best buddy. They associate with each other not with nobodies. Sorry.
I am not saying you are necessarily hanging out with the scions of the wealthy or political elite, but that fact that these kids attend the college is part of why the school is considered elite and prestigious. Get it? The academics at the very elite schools and basically every school in the top 50 is going to be pretty similar. The prestige of the school isn’t about the academics!!
Anonymous
09/04/2022 09:28
Subject: Re:controversial opinions about college
Anonymous wrote:College isn’t for everyone.
People go through trade schools and make six figure incomes and are not encumbered with massive amounts of debt.
Trade schools are not cheap, they are not everywhere and they do not train you into a lucrative career
Some have been successful by starting their own business, that is not a common story
Anonymous
09/04/2022 09:24
Subject: controversial opinions about college
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:SAT scores do not measure intelligence or college readiness
I know of some very bright kids who had to go to work during high school years to help support their parents/family
Every kid doesn’t have full support, or safe stable home for the 18 years of life
Despite that some of those have managed to do well later on in life
Learning doesn’t end when you graduate. I am in IT and am constantly studying and acquiring new skills
College was just a foundation that opens the door to the profession, thereafter you have the skills to open a book and self teach yourself what you need to know
While they do not “measure” IQ, as they are not an intelligence test per se, SAT scores are nonetheless highly correlated with IQ. Let’s not imply otherwise.
But also tied with SES and the accumulated educational supports over a lifetime that come with higher SES.
Of course — and so is IQ.
This I do not agree with
My father was raised in post ww2 Europe and managed to get a degree in Engineering
By modern times measurement that would have been a very low SES
Plenty of people from low income backgrounds have become very highly educated. You do not agree because you live in a country where it is hard for someone without a rich daddy to do the same