Anonymous wrote:Starting salary for teachers needs to be 85K, like in Finland. Only the very top secondary graduates are accepted into university schools of Education. Masters degree required. Parents held accountable for absentee students.

Every teacher I know (I quit after 6 years) want to say to the parent: Parent is a verb. Do your job like I do mine.

There are several careers like this. Same with social work, nursing and other helping professions. They are generally thankless underpaid jobs where after you pay child care its not worth working.

Parents have given all parenting to schools and expect them to feed, guide, provide all services and supports, deal with crisis and think none of it is their responsibility. Its really sad for the kids that their needs are not met at home and parents don't see their kids need their time.

Anonymous wrote:Starting salary for teachers needs to be 85K, like in Finland. Only the very top secondary graduates are accepted into university schools of Education. Masters degree required. Parents held accountable for absentee students.

Every teacher I know (I quit after 6 years) want to say to the parent: Parent is a verb. Do your job like I do mine.

Teachers in other countries are also given more time at work to do the prep, planning, and grading. That’s an afterthought in the US. I spend over 90% of my day in front of students, so the clear expectation is that I spend every night grading and preparing for the next day. We should get AT LEAST half of our days to do the prep/planning/grading. I posted above that I’m no longer giving up weekends and I mean it. The stack of papers to grade remains on my desk. I’m no longer spending extra time going the extra mile, which means my lessons will be less engaging. I’m sorry, but the “your students will suffer” argument no longer works. I spent many years sacrificing my health and my family for this job. No more.

There’s a global trend towards employees wanting good pay with reasonable work / life balance. MCPS HR needs to recognize this shift in employee expectations and adapt. Otherwise, MCPS will continue to have difficulties filling positions and the mass exodus will continue. In the meantime, can anyone blame a burnt out teacher for saying enough is enough and not be willing to go the extra mile? What would you do if you were in similar circumstances?

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/19/1117753535/quiet-quitting-work-tiktok

Starting salary for teachers needs to be 85K, like in Finland. Only the very top secondary graduates are accepted into university schools of Education. Masters degree required. Parents held accountable for absentee students.

Every teacher I know (I quit after 6 years) want to say to the parent: Parent is a verb. Do your job like I do mine.

This thread has just proved there are so many miserable parents in this county who hate their own lives so they try and hurt others to make themselves feel better. It will be your loss in the end when you bully enough people into realizing they have better options than dealing with people like you. It’s such a stupid hatred to have towards people because they get unpaid summers off and you don’t. I’m so sorry for you (sarcasm)… seek a better life for yourself then. Stop treating other people poorly just bc you hate (clearly hate) yourself and your life.

"summers off". Haha! Most teachers I know (including my sisters) work a summer job. One works in a plant nursery during summers and other holidays/days off. The other one works a nannying -type positions-- mostly driving kids around to their camps and lessons.

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Anonymous wrote:I spent the summer watching my boyfriend work from home (we have the same educational background) and his life is so chill. He doesn’t have to deal with disgusting people like the parents here… he makes three times what I make. As pre service begins tomorrow and I read this bs on this thread, I’m asking myself wtf am I doing?? This is just straight abuse for abysmal pay when my life could be amazing.

Definitely no victim complex at all.

How is this poster displaying a victim complex? How? They aren’t. They are nothing the differences in work/ life and saying it’s better. You’re so toxic. I think you need to seek some professional help.

Really?

“This is just straight abuse for abysmal pay when my life could be amazing.”

Not the PP but I can definitely see why they feel like that.

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Anonymous wrote:I spent the summer watching my boyfriend work from home (we have the same educational background) and his life is so chill. He doesn’t have to deal with disgusting people like the parents here… he makes three times what I make. As pre service begins tomorrow and I read this bs on this thread, I’m asking myself wtf am I doing?? This is just straight abuse for abysmal pay when my life could be amazing.

I’m feeling the same way. This will likely be my last year. I just can’t take the long hours, unreasonable demands, and lack of respect. I’m claiming a work / life balance this year. If that means papers take longer to return, then that’s fine. No more weekends devoted to the job.

These crazy Karens are making the job so unpleasant. I like teaching, but the animosity expressed here makes it a bitter pill.

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Anonymous wrote:I spent the summer watching my boyfriend work from home (we have the same educational background) and his life is so chill. He doesn’t have to deal with disgusting people like the parents here… he makes three times what I make. As pre service begins tomorrow and I read this bs on this thread, I’m asking myself wtf am I doing?? This is just straight abuse for abysmal pay when my life could be amazing.

Definitely no victim complex at all.

How is this poster displaying a victim complex? How? They aren’t. They are nothing the differences in work/ life and saying it’s better. You’re so toxic. I think you need to seek some professional help.

Really?

“This is just straight abuse for abysmal pay when my life could be amazing.”

So you think someone stating their life could be amazing without people like you by doubling down on your idiotic points is… good? Is right? You’re a moron. I’m a parent who wishes people like you didn’t exist. My kid’s teachers don’t deserve this.

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Anonymous wrote:I spent the summer watching my boyfriend work from home (we have the same educational background) and his life is so chill. He doesn’t have to deal with disgusting people like the parents here… he makes three times what I make. As pre service begins tomorrow and I read this bs on this thread, I’m asking myself wtf am I doing?? This is just straight abuse for abysmal pay when my life could be amazing.

Definitely no victim complex at all.

How is this poster displaying a victim complex? How? They aren’t. They are nothing the differences in work/ life and saying it’s better. You’re so toxic. I think you need to seek some professional help.

Agreed! It’s like they are committed to misery… it’s obviously a symptom of their own life. I just feel sorry for this person at this point. “What should I do all day? Berate teachers because they have summers off!” Get a real life. Get a personality. Do anything else. You’re a terrible human being. I’m glad it makes you feel to kick people when they are down.

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Anonymous wrote:I spent the summer watching my boyfriend work from home (we have the same educational background) and his life is so chill. He doesn’t have to deal with disgusting people like the parents here… he makes three times what I make. As pre service begins tomorrow and I read this bs on this thread, I’m asking myself wtf am I doing?? This is just straight abuse for abysmal pay when my life could be amazing.

Definitely no victim complex at all.

How is this poster displaying a victim complex? How? They aren’t. They are nothing the differences in work/ life and saying it’s better. You’re so toxic. I think you need to seek some professional help.

Really?

“This is just straight abuse for abysmal pay when my life could be amazing.”

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Anonymous wrote:I spent the summer watching my boyfriend work from home (we have the same educational background) and his life is so chill. He doesn’t have to deal with disgusting people like the parents here… he makes three times what I make. As pre service begins tomorrow and I read this bs on this thread, I’m asking myself wtf am I doing?? This is just straight abuse for abysmal pay when my life could be amazing.

Definitely no victim complex at all.

How is this poster displaying a victim complex? How? They aren’t. They are nothing the differences in work/ life and saying it’s better. You’re so toxic. I think you need to seek some professional help.

Anonymous wrote:I spent the summer watching my boyfriend work from home (we have the same educational background) and his life is so chill. He doesn’t have to deal with disgusting people like the parents here… he makes three times what I make. As pre service begins tomorrow and I read this bs on this thread, I’m asking myself wtf am I doing?? This is just straight abuse for abysmal pay when my life could be amazing.

Definitely no victim complex at all.

Anonymous wrote:I spent the summer watching my boyfriend work from home (we have the same educational background) and his life is so chill. He doesn’t have to deal with disgusting people like the parents here… he makes three times what I make. As pre service begins tomorrow and I read this bs on this thread, I’m asking myself wtf am I doing?? This is just straight abuse for abysmal pay when my life could be amazing.

I’m feeling the same way. This will likely be my last year. I just can’t take the long hours, unreasonable demands, and lack of respect. I’m claiming a work / life balance this year. If that means papers take longer to return, then that’s fine. No more weekends devoted to the job.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in HR (16 years) and we love hiring former teachers. They are the most dependable and versatile employees. We dont care what their master's degree is in.

In my personal life I have known plenty of teachers who quit and found better employment I have never heard of a teacher going back to teaching after quitting. Never.

HR here too.. for all the vile, disgusting people on this thread who think teachers can’t find outside employment (with glee ugh) they absolutely can. We hire former teachers on a regular basis because they have unique skills that other people don’t. To everyone here being ugly, please stop. You are clearly stuck in a tiny world where you don’t know much about anything but pretend to. Welcome to America these days. You’re simply not helping your own cause, you’re just showing how insecure you are and it’s actually really sad and pathetic x

No one said they couldn’t find jobs. It’s that most (not all) wouldn’t be able to find jobs with similar pay and benefits to teaching.

As far as I can tell, at least 2 HR reps said they like seeing teachers as applicants. At least 4 teachers have said their coworkers have gone on to jobs with higher pay. It’s time to face reality: teachers have other options. You can tell yourself we won’t find better deals, but you are wrong. (I’d also argue our deal isn’t that great. If I hear “but you get summers off” one more time after spending all summer planning and taking courses for recertification …)

That's because... Wait for it. Those coworkers actually had another skill. Besides teaching. That people were willing to pay for.

No offense, but I haven't been blown away by any of my kids teachers

Likewise, I for sure haven’t been blown away by parents with their parenting skills.

The difference is, teachers are supposed to be educated. Parents only need to breed.

That’s your winning comeback? LMAO…. Pathetic.

Teachers can't have it both ways.

We are super special snowflakes doing an amazing job dedicated to our students

We don't get paid enough to do anything, and are treated like janitors, and don't have any time to get to know students