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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if she was older than 73. Recent photos of her around NYC show her barely able to walk without assistance. It is a possibility her age is older. It’s common among immigrants of that era to change their age by a couple of years

I wonder the same.

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I did too, but that would make her mom either a teenage mom or someone who has unusual longevity. Isn't she something like 94?

She had a home in St. Tropez and probably was into tanning. A lot of former athletes have severe orthopedic issues and if you hate going to doctors then it isn't going to get better.

You are missing the point. Look carefully at the height of the two women and the teeth - teeth are very distinctive and the shape of the front teeth is tightly genetically determined- ask a dentist

Are you alleging that they are not actually mother & daughter?

Frankly, Ivana’s life trajectory sounds like that of a Russian spy.

I read a memoir of a Russian spy. Her life sounds very much like it. The goal was to infiltrate high society and get into the White House. The book is good. The US said he could stay and he became friends with the FBI agent who followed him.

+1. I can totally see her being a Cold War spy and I can totally see her lying about her age. Even in the 80s she looked older than Donald. I guess the question is, was Donald complicit or was he duped? It would seem he was complicit. She was never attractive. Donald was a born rich playboy. All due respect, he could have done much better.

Are you a spy?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if she was older than 73. Recent photos of her around NYC show her barely able to walk without assistance. It is a possibility her age is older. It’s common among immigrants of that era to change their age by a couple of years

I wonder the same.

+1

I did too, but that would make her mom either a teenage mom or someone who has unusual longevity. Isn't she something like 94?

She had a home in St. Tropez and probably was into tanning. A lot of former athletes have severe orthopedic issues and if you hate going to doctors then it isn't going to get better.

You are missing the point. Look carefully at the height of the two women and the teeth - teeth are very distinctive and the shape of the front teeth is tightly genetically determined- ask a dentist

Are you alleging that they are not actually mother & daughter?

Frankly, Ivana’s life trajectory sounds like that of a Russian spy.

I read a memoir of a Russian spy. Her life sounds very much like it. The goal was to infiltrate high society and get into the White House. The book is good. The US said he could stay and he became friends with the FBI agent who followed him.

+1. I can totally see her being a Cold War spy and I can totally see her lying about her age. Even in the 80s she looked older than Donald. I guess the question is, was Donald complicit or was he duped? It would seem he was complicit. She was never attractive. Donald was a born rich playboy. All due respect, he could have done much better.

She actually looks older than him in most of their pictures. It was another weird model pairing, like Melania.

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What an accomplished woman she was.

When you marry for money, you earn every penny

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I read a memoir of a Russian spy. Her life sounds very much like it. The goal was to infiltrate high society and get into the White House. The book is good. The US said he could stay and he became friends with the FBI agent who followed him.



+1. I can totally see her being a Cold War spy and I can totally see her lying about her age. Even in the 80s she looked older than Donald. I guess the question is, was Donald complicit or was he duped? It would seem he was complicit. She was never attractive. Donald was a born rich playboy. All due respect, he could have done much better.

Quite the opposite. Anyone could do better than the Donald.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if she was older than 73. Recent photos of her around NYC show her barely able to walk without assistance. It is a possibility her age is older. It’s common among immigrants of that era to change their age by a couple of years

I wonder the same.

+1

I did too, but that would make her mom either a teenage mom or someone who has unusual longevity. Isn't she something like 94?

She had a home in St. Tropez and probably was into tanning. A lot of former athletes have severe orthopedic issues and if you hate going to doctors then it isn't going to get better.

You are missing the point. Look carefully at the height of the two women and the teeth - teeth are very distinctive and the shape of the front teeth is tightly genetically determined- ask a dentist

Are you alleging that they are not actually mother & daughter?

Frankly, Ivana’s life trajectory sounds like that of a Russian spy.

I read a memoir of a Russian spy. Her life sounds very much like it. The goal was to infiltrate high society and get into the White House. The book is good. The US said he could stay and he became friends with the FBI agent who followed him.

+1. I can totally see her being a Cold War spy and I can totally see her lying about her age. Even in the 80s she looked older than Donald. I guess the question is, was Donald complicit or was he duped? It would seem he was complicit. She was never attractive. Donald was a born rich playboy. All due respect, he could have done much better.

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Anonymous wrote:As much as I dislike the family, I think she was an incredible woman. Smart, a good mother, and so much personality.

Curious: how was she a good mother? Would love to learn more to appreciate.

All three of her children are highly, highly dynamic and successful individuals, just like her. So she definitely did something right! Wonderful lady.

They work for their father because that's the only place they could get a job.

"Job". Haha. None of the lazy nitwit kids have ever worked a day in their life. Did the youngest even take the bar exam yet? She had not as of a year ago.

What an accomplished woman she was.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if she was older than 73. Recent photos of her around NYC show her barely able to walk without assistance. It is a possibility her age is older. It’s common among immigrants of that era to change their age by a couple of years

I wonder the same.

+1

I did too, but that would make her mom either a teenage mom or someone who has unusual longevity. Isn't she something like 94?

She had a home in St. Tropez and probably was into tanning. A lot of former athletes have severe orthopedic issues and if you hate going to doctors then it isn't going to get better.

You are missing the point. Look carefully at the height of the two women and the teeth - teeth are very distinctive and the shape of the front teeth is tightly genetically determined- ask a dentist

Are you alleging that they are not actually mother & daughter?

Frankly, Ivana’s life trajectory sounds like that of a Russian spy.

I read a memoir of a Russian spy. Her life sounds very much like it. The goal was to infiltrate high society and get into the White House. The book is good. The US said he could stay and he became friends with the FBI agent who followed him.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if she was older than 73. Recent photos of her around NYC show her barely able to walk without assistance. It is a possibility her age is older. It’s common among immigrants of that era to change their age by a couple of years

I wonder the same.

+1

I did too, but that would make her mom either a teenage mom or someone who has unusual longevity. Isn't she something like 94?

She had a home in St. Tropez and probably was into tanning. A lot of former athletes have severe orthopedic issues and if you hate going to doctors then it isn't going to get better.

You are missing the point. Look carefully at the height of the two women and the teeth - teeth are very distinctive and the shape of the front teeth is tightly genetically determined- ask a dentist

I think I am dense. Are you implying she is adopted?

Not implying adoption.

In my opinion, her frailty and physical appearance ( hunching over) AND her Josephine like influence over Donald are far more consistent with a woman 10 years older

Her records state she was born in the Czech province of Morovia in 1949 - there is a mystery to the cold war and what people might do to escape it, such as Madeline Albright's own story:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/03/23/madeleine-albright-jewish/

But back to Morovia-which was the Sudeten land : a child born in that area of the Sudeten land say in.... 1938 or '39 ...their life, their survival could have been determined by so many of those events

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Czechoslovakia_(1938%E2%80%931945)

If I were from that part of the world in that Era , or my family were I would do a mitochondrial DNA and Family search DNA at FTDNA

Lot's of people have found something meaningful to them

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. So sad that she passed. I almost hope she died before she fell because if she fell and needed help and died lying alone there would be such a terrible death. I am surprised that no one lived with her. I would think she have had live in help even for security reasons. It feels like everyday I am hearing about someone dying lately. Depressing time.

It's not an uncommon death for the age in place crowd. Over the past 10 years 4 of my friends have lost parents to falls and many of us had parents fall and be stuck for hours before discovered. it's so hard to get them to agree to the level of help needed.

I was not a fan of the book recommended here..something like "On being Mortal" but it does help me make peace with the fact my mother could die the same way. She is stubborn, refuses help, considered cognitively fine and has a staircase from hell. If she dies falling down those steps, it's on her terms living the way she wants.

But 73 is a bit young to be considered “aging in place” - and it’s young for Assisted Living. And obviously had every resource at her disposal.

He death was very shocking because she was so vibrant and larger than life.

She hasn’t been vibrant in ages. She’s been shuffling around for years. She appeared incredibly feeble for her age. My mom is 86 and way more nimble and bright than Ivana was these past 7 years.

Same. My mother and MIL are 81 are much more spry than she was and can walk unassisted. MIL does yoga and did a marathon in her late 60’s. Ivana must have had serious hip or knee issues.

My guess is rheumatoid arthritis, which would explain the frail hunched over posture and bloating. And some of the premature aging.

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Anonymous wrote:As much as I dislike the family, I think she was an incredible woman. Smart, a good mother, and so much personality.

Curious: how was she a good mother? Would love to learn more to appreciate.

All three of her children are highly, highly dynamic and successful individuals, just like her. So she definitely did something right! Wonderful lady.

They work for their father because that's the only place they could get a job.

+1 the Trump worshippers have a distant relationship with reality.

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Anonymous wrote:As much as I dislike the family, I think she was an incredible woman. Smart, a good mother, and so much personality.

Curious: how was she a good mother? Would love to learn more to appreciate.

All three of her children are highly, highly dynamic and successful individuals, just like her. So she definitely did something right! Wonderful lady.

They work for their father because that's the only place they could get a job.

For the PP who was suggesting it was weird for her to be an only child….in places with bad health care, not uncommon to have traumatic injuries with childbirth that lead to secondary infertility. Would not be surprised if that happened with her mom. Or do we know anything about her dad? He may have taken off. I don’t think being an only child in post-war Czechoslovakia is particularly nefarious.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. So sad that she passed. I almost hope she died before she fell because if she fell and needed help and died lying alone there would be such a terrible death. I am surprised that no one lived with her. I would think she have had live in help even for security reasons. It feels like everyday I am hearing about someone dying lately. Depressing time.

It's not an uncommon death for the age in place crowd. Over the past 10 years 4 of my friends have lost parents to falls and many of us had parents fall and be stuck for hours before discovered. it's so hard to get them to agree to the level of help needed.

I was not a fan of the book recommended here..something like "On being Mortal" but it does help me make peace with the fact my mother could die the same way. She is stubborn, refuses help, considered cognitively fine and has a staircase from hell. If she dies falling down those steps, it's on her terms living the way she wants.

But 73 is a bit young to be considered “aging in place” - and it’s young for Assisted Living. And obviously had every resource at her disposal.

He death was very shocking because she was so vibrant and larger than life.

She hasn’t been vibrant in ages. She’s been shuffling around for years. She appeared incredibly feeble for her age. My mom is 86 and way more nimble and bright than Ivana was these past 7 years.

Same. My mother and MIL are 81 are much more spry than she was and can walk unassisted. MIL does yoga and did a marathon in her late 60’s. Ivana must have had serious hip or knee issues.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get what PP is implying about the mom picture. The older woman’s teeth look like dentures—which most women over 90 have especially if they had bad dental care. The height difference is surprising but maybe less so if the older woman grew up during the way—-malnutrition seriously stunts adult height. Plus Ivana was likely wearing heels in the picture.
That said, I would not be surprised if she was actually in her late 70s or 80s and the other woman was an older sister, or a teen mom (common during the war, for sure).

This. It does seem like Ivana was older than she said, even in the earlier pictures she looks much older than Trump.

I also think it's very telling that Trump couldn't seem to have a lasting relationship with a woman who was not eastern European.