Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PS: I suppose you can criticize the case as not being confirmable.

But you know, right, that this is for the same reason it cannot be denied? And this happens EVERY YEAR, and I'm pretty sure in every state. Even if this were not accurately presented, I'll be damned if it wasn't so in short order.

This happens. This is what adolescent specialty pediatricians deal with. And we report it as child abuse of the most egregious kind, and we support the patient, and we hate it.

Sorry if it inconvenient for your political argument.

The question here is whether or not IF this particular case happened, IF the girl was denied an abortion and had to leave the state to get one.

NP. Let’s just assume this story is correct. Or, hey, let’s go ahead and acknowledge that upper elementary or middle school aged girls end up pregnant, in what is legally rape at that age. Do you not find it disturbing that they should be forced to leave some of these states to obtain an abortion?

Over 30 years ago, I went to school with a girl who was raped by a teenage cousin and became pregnant at 11. Her parents did not pursue an abortion, so she carried the pregnancy. As a 6th grader. She gave birth the summer before 7th grade via c-section, because her body was too small to handle a vaginal birth. The plan was for the girl’s parents to raise the baby as a “sibling”. They relocated shortly after the birth.
This was in a middle-class, heavily Southern Baptist community in central VA. Small town type environment, so EVERYBODY knew the details.

Notice that none of the ghouls answers this. It’s almost like they support this. Like they think this is the way the world should go.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PS: I suppose you can criticize the case as not being confirmable.

But you know, right, that this is for the same reason it cannot be denied? And this happens EVERY YEAR, and I'm pretty sure in every state. Even if this were not accurately presented, I'll be damned if it wasn't so in short order.

This happens. This is what adolescent specialty pediatricians deal with. And we report it as child abuse of the most egregious kind, and we support the patient, and we hate it.

Sorry if it inconvenient for your political argument.

The question here is whether or not IF this particular case happened, IF the girl was denied an abortion and had to leave the state to get one.

NP. Let’s just assume this story is correct. Or, hey, let’s go ahead and acknowledge that upper elementary or middle school aged girls end up pregnant, in what is legally rape at that age. Do you not find it disturbing that they should be forced to leave some of these states to obtain an abortion?

Over 30 years ago, I went to school with a girl who was raped by a teenage cousin and became pregnant at 11. Her parents did not pursue an abortion, so she carried the pregnancy. As a 6th grader. She gave birth the summer before 7th grade via c-section, because her body was too small to handle a vaginal birth. The plan was for the girl’s parents to raise the baby as a “sibling”. They relocated shortly after the birth.
This was in a middle-class, heavily Southern Baptist community in central VA. Small town type environment, so EVERYBODY knew the details.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's super weird that people don't realize girls are getting their periods earlier, before they are ready, and there are juvenile and adult males eager and ready to take advantage of them.

So now that you can't prove this story is true, you are moving the goalposts? The issue HERE is that a story is out there saying a 10 year old girl was refused an abortion after being raped and has to go out of state. Whether it COULD happen is NOT the issue. The question is, is THIS story true. Repeating that it can't be verified simply raises my suspicions.

New poster here. You ghouls want a true story? A dear friend's mother is an emergency room doctor who was on call one night when a terrified 12-year old came in in labor. The father? Her teenage brother.

I know she wasn't 10 but I don't think 12-year olds should be having babies either but you're a-okay with it.

My friend's mother practiced emergency medicine for 50 years dealing with innumerable traumatic situations and says she will never forget the terror in that girl's eyes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's super weird that people don't realize girls are getting their periods earlier, before they are ready, and there are juvenile and adult males eager and ready to take advantage of them.

So now that you can't prove this story is true, you are moving the goalposts? The issue HERE is that a story is out there saying a 10 year old girl was refused an abortion after being raped and has to go out of state. Whether it COULD happen is NOT the issue. The question is, is THIS story true. Repeating that it can't be verified simply raises my suspicions.

keep clinging to this. see how it works out for you.

+10000000

Hey forced birthers. Take that guilty feeling that you’re experiencing, the awareness that your coked up anti-woman policies are sh*t, and grow from it. Realize that you can live your own beliefs, but that abortion has always been here and will always be here and taking it away is going to lead to so much pain and misery. Outlawing abortion takes it underground.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's super weird that people don't realize girls are getting their periods earlier, before they are ready, and there are juvenile and adult males eager and ready to take advantage of them.

So now that you can't prove this story is true, you are moving the goalposts? The issue HERE is that a story is out there saying a 10 year old girl was refused an abortion after being raped and has to go out of state. Whether it COULD happen is NOT the issue. The question is, is THIS story true. Repeating that it can't be verified simply raises my suspicions.

keep clinging to this. see how it works out for you.

Nothing to say of note?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's super weird that people don't realize girls are getting their periods earlier, before they are ready, and there are juvenile and adult males eager and ready to take advantage of them.

So now that you can't prove this story is true, you are moving the goalposts? The issue HERE is that a story is out there saying a 10 year old girl was refused an abortion after being raped and has to go out of state. Whether it COULD happen is NOT the issue. The question is, is THIS story true. Repeating that it can't be verified simply raises my suspicions.

keep clinging to this. see how it works out for you.

Anonymous wrote:PS: I suppose you can criticize the case as not being confirmable.

But you know, right, that this is for the same reason it cannot be denied? And this happens EVERY YEAR, and I'm pretty sure in every state. Even if this were not accurately presented, I'll be damned if it wasn't so in short order.

This happens. This is what adolescent specialty pediatricians deal with. And we report it as child abuse of the most egregious kind, and we support the patient, and we hate it.

Sorry if it inconvenient for your political argument.

The question here is whether or not IF this particular case happened, IF the girl was denied an abortion and had to leave the state to get one.

Anonymous wrote:It's super weird that people don't realize girls are getting their periods earlier, before they are ready, and there are juvenile and adult males eager and ready to take advantage of them.

So now that you can't prove this story is true, you are moving the goalposts? The issue HERE is that a story is out there saying a 10 year old girl was refused an abortion after being raped and has to go out of state. Whether it COULD happen is NOT the issue. The question is, is THIS story true. Repeating that it can't be verified simply raises my suspicions.

Anonymous wrote:God may be incredibly fond of beetles, but there isn't evidence that any deity has an incredible attachment to every fertilized egg being born.

"Chemical pregnancies" are so common, when you can detect the HCG level change in the bloodstream, but there are no other signs of the pregnancy, and it is lost early. I find it so hard to understand how people think it can be bearable in the grand scheme that at least 1/5 -- and possibly many more -- pregnancies are over and done so early on, and yet ... a fourth grader should be carrying to term, delivering, and suffering a greatly increased risk of bad medical outcomes. That is insane.

I could see t if miscarriage were a rare event, but it's more common than celebrity divorces. Come on.

This is how I see it too. Fetishizing early pregnancy is crazy.

God may be incredibly fond of beetles, but there isn't evidence that any deity has an incredible attachment to every fertilized egg being born.

"Chemical pregnancies" are so common, when you can detect the HCG level change in the bloodstream, but there are no other signs of the pregnancy, and it is lost early. I find it so hard to understand how people think it can be bearable in the grand scheme that at least 1/5 -- and possibly many more -- pregnancies are over and done so early on, and yet ... a fourth grader should be carrying to term, delivering, and suffering a greatly increased risk of bad medical outcomes. That is insane.

I could see t if miscarriage were a rare event, but it's more common than celebrity divorces. Come on.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What options does a pregnant 10 year old have in Ohio, and other states that ban abortion with no exceptions for rape?

Carry to term a pregnancy that will possibly kill them. That’s the option in forced birth America.

I think I posted a twitter link upthread in which another nurse shared a story about a 10 or 11 year old who gave birth. She and the infant survived the pregnancy and c-section, but a few days later at home the little girl began hemorrhaging and ended up with an emergency hysterectomy.

Just imagine a ten year old trying to deal with the aftermath of birth. Peri bottles and big mesh undies, ice packs, aching breasts, all at a time when she should still be playing. As if the rape weren’t bad enough, her entire life is completely changed.

Forced birther ghouls are cheering for this.

It’s depraved. I don’t have a better word for it. The parents of that poor girl, if they aren’t her abusers, are looking at the possibility of raising the child of their daughter’s rapist and burying their own.

Anonymous wrote:What options does a pregnant 10 year old have in Ohio, and other states that ban abortion with no exceptions for rape?

Carry to term a pregnancy that will possibly kill them. That’s the option in forced birth America.

I think I posted a twitter link upthread in which another nurse shared a story about a 10 or 11 year old who gave birth. She and the infant survived the pregnancy and c-section, but a few days later at home the little girl began hemorrhaging and ended up with an emergency hysterectomy.

Just imagine a ten year old trying to deal with the aftermath of birth. Peri bottles and big mesh undies, ice packs, aching breasts, all at a time when she should still be playing. As if the rape weren’t bad enough, her entire life is completely changed.

Forced birther ghouls are cheering for this.

Hey PP, so if you don't think it's this case, then what do you have to say about it when it does happen?

Because it happens. So what's your take on what should come next, when it is a pregnant elementary schooler in front of a doctor?

JFC, do you think there aren't 9 and 10 year olds who have had their menarche? Or do you think little girls don't sometimes get raped?

Which is it? Good lord.

PS: I suppose you can criticize the case as not being confirmable.

But you know, right, that this is for the same reason it cannot be denied? And this happens EVERY YEAR, and I'm pretty sure in every state. Even if this were not accurately presented, I'll be damned if it wasn't so in short order.

This happens. This is what adolescent specialty pediatricians deal with. And we report it as child abuse of the most egregious kind, and we support the patient, and we hate it.

Sorry if it inconvenient for your political argument.