Anonymous
06/28/2022 08:45
Subject: Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I’m one of them. This is the right decision for the SC to make. I also don’t want Muslim prayer rooms taken out of public schools.
This has nothing to do with prayer rooms. Prayer rooms merely provide the opportunity for people to exercise their religion in PRIVATE. How do you feel about a teacher rolling out a mat in class and praying?
I actually have no problem with it. If he/she is demanding kids also do the same and we have hard evidence that if they don’t their grades are consistently marked lower, THAT behavior would have to be corrected. But I STILL would not take away the Muslim teacher’s right to pray.
Cool. My sister is a drama teacher. She’ll be reciting some Satanic Verses and Wicca prayers during class and drama club. Maybe she’ll throw in a prayer or two about CRT.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 08:24
Subject: Re:Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So much passion about saying a prayer. Mostly from folks with zero skin in the game. Out with prayer because the kids have so many other things now to influence them - so many things to desensitize their reactions to violence and hate. Much better way to go.
So many other things? Like what?
Social media, video games on demand, any and every type of media one wants to access via the internet. You must be trolling with that question.
Video games and social media are not allowed in school either. What exactly is your point?
What are you even talking about? And you are kidding yourself if you think social media is "not allowed" in a public school classroom. Do you have children??
The point is that if you think prayer is the worst influence in today's society, you are simply wrong.
WTF? Who ever said that? Prayer shouldn’t be sponsored by a public school. Then you responded about social media and video games. But those aren’t allowed in school either so then what does that have to do with prayer?
Anonymous
06/28/2022 08:22
Subject: Separaton of Church and State
It used to be common sense that freedom of religion and freedom of speech did not mean you could force your personal views on a captive audience under state authority. The Supreme Court theocracy has created a right-wing Christian exception to that common sense understanding.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 08:21
Subject: Separaton of Church and State
Why in hell do we need prayer to be led in schools?
Kids no longer have access to Sunday school?
Parents don't teach their own kids about prayer?
Kids don't pray before bed time in their schools, or know how to do it quietly and privately by themselves?
It's ironic that after complaining that the schools are supposedly taking up too much time indoctrinating kids in totally imaginary things like K12 CRT that they want to take up school time with prayer.
Kids no longer have access to Sunday school?
Parents don't teach their own kids about prayer?
Kids don't pray before bed time in their schools, or know how to do it quietly and privately by themselves?
It's ironic that after complaining that the schools are supposedly taking up too much time indoctrinating kids in totally imaginary things like K12 CRT that they want to take up school time with prayer.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 08:18
Subject: Re:Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So much passion about saying a prayer. Mostly from folks with zero skin in the game. Out with prayer because the kids have so many other things now to influence them - so many things to desensitize their reactions to violence and hate. Much better way to go.
So many other things? Like what?
Social media, video games on demand, any and every type of media one wants to access via the internet. You must be trolling with that question.
Video games and social media are not allowed in school either. What exactly is your point?
What are you even talking about? And you are kidding yourself if you think social media is "not allowed" in a public school classroom. Do you have children??
The point is that if you think prayer is the worst influence in today's society, you are simply wrong.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 08:17
Subject: Re:Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes it is. Read the case.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.
It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.
This was such the right decision.
Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.
That is just not true at all.
Read the case and the oral arguments and statements from the school and the parents. There was zero coercion.
If you think that persons in positions of authority over children - like coaches and teachers - can ask children to join in prayer to Jesus Christ without having Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, or agnostic children feeling coerced then you clearly have no understanding of children and the power of teachers and coaches over them. Would you ever say that a student could avoid sexual advances by a coach because there was no "coercion"? Simply being in a position of authority over children implies a level of coercive power.
Congratulations. You’ve just become every parent furious with school boards - the same ones you’ve degraded these past years.
Great - so you agree that teaching Kindergarteners about sexual orientation is perhaps a level of coercive power?
Apples and oranges.
There is no Dem platform, no grand orchestrated campaign, no mention by any national democrats to teach Kindergartners about sexual orientation. But I would fast run out of fingers counting Republicans who talk about prayer in schools.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 08:13
Subject: Re:Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes it is. Read the case.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.
It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.
This was such the right decision.
Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.
That is just not true at all.
Read the case and the oral arguments and statements from the school and the parents. There was zero coercion.
If you think that persons in positions of authority over children - like coaches and teachers - can ask children to join in prayer to Jesus Christ without having Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, or agnostic children feeling coerced then you clearly have no understanding of children and the power of teachers and coaches over them. Would you ever say that a student could avoid sexual advances by a coach because there was no "coercion"? Simply being in a position of authority over children implies a level of coercive power.
Congratulations. You’ve just become every parent furious with school boards - the same ones you’ve degraded these past years.
Great - so you agree that teaching Kindergarteners about sexual orientation is perhaps a level of coercive power?
Anonymous
06/28/2022 08:06
Subject: Re:Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So much passion about saying a prayer. Mostly from folks with zero skin in the game. Out with prayer because the kids have so many other things now to influence them - so many things to desensitize their reactions to violence and hate. Much better way to go.
I’m Jewish and, if my kid was on that team, I wouldn’t want them feeling pressured to participate in a Christian prayer.
Try to get it.
Your kid wasn’t on that team so you are not affected in anyway shape or form!
You’re a moron. The Supreme Court just made this everybody’s business by saying any coach or teacher teacher at any public school can push their religion on kids under their supervision as long as they tell kids that they have authority over that it is it is voluntary. It is a license to manipulate kids and abuse public positions of authority and plenty of a-holes will use that license.
Actually, no. That is not the ruling.
They ruled that the coach is able to exercise HIS free speech and HIS religious beliefs. If the kids want to participate, that is up to them.
You people are trying to make this into something it isn't...... as most of the issues that you disagree with.
Sure. They gave him and other coaches and teachers a captive audience of kids that they have authority over. That is not freedom of religion for the kids. It is the opposite. It is an agent of the state forcing them to observe his Not-private religious observance when he is an authority figure that his players have a non-religious motivation to please and impress. It’s the definition of manipulation and abuse of authority.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 08:00
Subject: Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I’m one of them. This is the right decision for the SC to make. I also don’t want Muslim prayer rooms taken out of public schools.
This has nothing to do with prayer rooms. Prayer rooms merely provide the opportunity for people to exercise their religion in PRIVATE. How do you feel about a teacher rolling out a mat in class and praying?
I actually have no problem with it. If he/she is demanding kids also do the same and we have hard evidence that if they don’t their grades are consistently marked lower, THAT behavior would have to be corrected. But I STILL would not take away the Muslim teacher’s right to pray.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 07:57
Subject: Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:
I’m one of them. This is the right decision for the SC to make. I also don’t want Muslim prayer rooms taken out of public schools.
This has nothing to do with prayer rooms. Prayer rooms merely provide the opportunity for people to exercise their religion in PRIVATE. How do you feel about a teacher rolling out a mat in class and praying?
Anonymous
06/28/2022 07:53
Subject: Re:Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So much passion about saying a prayer. Mostly from folks with zero skin in the game. Out with prayer because the kids have so many other things now to influence them - so many things to desensitize their reactions to violence and hate. Much better way to go.
I’m Jewish and, if my kid was on that team, I wouldn’t want them feeling pressured to participate in a Christian prayer.
Try to get it.
Your kid wasn’t on that team so you are not affected in anyway shape or form!
You’re a moron. The Supreme Court just made this everybody’s business by saying any coach or teacher teacher at any public school can push their religion on kids under their supervision as long as they tell kids that they have authority over that it is it is voluntary. It is a license to manipulate kids and abuse public positions of authority and plenty of a-holes will use that license.
Actually, no. That is not the ruling.
They ruled that the coach is able to exercise HIS free speech and HIS religious beliefs. If the kids want to participate, that is up to them.
You people are trying to make this into something it isn't...... as most of the issues that you disagree with.
He can pray independently and/or in private, nobody is stopping him from praying. If he wants to preach to a group he can become a pastor and do that in church.
As a person in a position of authority, he does not get to use that platform, funded by taxpayers, to promote his religion. How would you like it if your child’s teacher started each class by rolling out a mat and praying to Allah?
Why are you lying about what he is doing? He is not preaching to anyone. He is praying.
And, once again for those who are outraged and uninformed..... the few students who expressed discomfort with joining in the prayer...... this coach made them co-captains for their willingness to speak up.
We have photographic evidence. Wtf do you think leading a mass prayer and quoting Bible quotes is if not preaching?
But you did not answer my question. Cool with you if your kid’s teachers start rolling out mats and quoting the Quran?
Anonymous
06/28/2022 07:50
Subject: Re:Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes it is. Read the case.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.
It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.
This was such the right decision.
Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.
That is just not true at all.
Read the case and the oral arguments and statements from the school and the parents. There was zero coercion.
If you think that persons in positions of authority over children - like coaches and teachers - can ask children to join in prayer to Jesus Christ without having Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, or agnostic children feeling coerced then you clearly have no understanding of children and the power of teachers and coaches over them. Would you ever say that a student could avoid sexual advances by a coach because there was no "coercion"? Simply being in a position of authority over children implies a level of coercive power.
Congratulations. You’ve just become every parent furious with school boards - the same ones you’ve degraded these past years.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 07:49
Subject: Re:Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.
It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.
This was such the right decision.
I do not believe in God, I do not want my children being led in prayer in their public school and I consider this ruling a violation of my and my children's religious freedom. I might be more appalled by this than the abortion ruling for which I disagreed, but could follow the constitutional logic. This literally is pushing me to vote democratic when I've been frustrated with Biden and the far left.
No child was forced to join in prayer. The coach had the right to exercise his religion freely.
Do you truly not understand human social power dynamics or are you just arguing? Being a leader comes with responsibility. Using your power to manipulate minors or subordinates is not moral.
And just what do parents do every day? Thank you for making your ridiculous point for everyone to see!
And teachers.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 07:45
Subject: Re:Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.
It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.
This was such the right decision.
Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.
How people feel is not reality.
Anonymous
06/28/2022 07:45
Subject: Separaton of Church and State
I’m one of them. This is the right decision for the SC to make. I also don’t want Muslim prayer rooms taken out of public schools.