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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what you mean by stark binary vs. regular binary. Yes, there are nuances but logical thinking is rooted in binary thinking. We pre-suppose some things we agree upon to then further rationalize a position using symbolic logic.

And yes, this results in hundreds of years of debate over the existence of God culminating in… faith.

I can’t imagine a logical argument anyone could defend rationally that women and POC are not oppressed worldwide today. Further, the rhetoric is escalating and women and POC see it and experience it at work, at home, at the gym, grabbing a coffee. Even something as mundane as little royal Luis shushing his Mom as the world coos, boys will be boys, tells us everything.

You think little Prince Louis is oppressing the Duchess of Cambridge? Lol, ok. Your logic really is something to behold.

Beyond that, yes, women and POC have been oppressed (some way more than others) "worldwide". But let me guess, you are an upper middle class professional woman -- probably a white woman. So you lump shabby treatment at the Starbucks into the same big pool as slavery and genocide so you can have your ticket to the oppression sweepstakes. Give me a break. And then you want to use this "logic" to spend all day everyday berating your progressive white male friends and family. Sure, do that, but (a) you are not helping the truly oppressed, so quit the self-righteous nonsense, (b) you are probably alienating the people most willing and able to help, and (c) you are just annoying as hell. Spend some time appreciating your privilege, doing something USEFUL to make a difference, and be nice to the people around you.

Oh, and one last thing, maybe "all men suck" in your worldwide, but the vast majority of men in the world have it way, way worse than you.

You are way out of touch if you think American women are complaining about Starbucks problems when they talk about sexism. My DD just graduated from HS, where girls have been dealing with sexual harassment and sexual assault since MS. It just gets worse from there.

The pp mentioned in her litany of "worldwide" oppression the treatment she gets going out for coffee. Any white UMC professional woman on this board is, on a "worldwide" scale, so powerful and well off, that is a joke that she would compare herself to the oppression experienced by others who have real problems. Anyone wants to rant and rave is welcome to do that, but it doesn't mean anyone has to care or listen if it is just complaining coming from a place of power.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what you mean by stark binary vs. regular binary. Yes, there are nuances but logical thinking is rooted in binary thinking. We pre-suppose some things we agree upon to then further rationalize a position using symbolic logic.

And yes, this results in hundreds of years of debate over the existence of God culminating in… faith.

I can’t imagine a logical argument anyone could defend rationally that women and POC are not oppressed worldwide today. Further, the rhetoric is escalating and women and POC see it and experience it at work, at home, at the gym, grabbing a coffee. Even something as mundane as little royal Luis shushing his Mom as the world coos, boys will be boys, tells us everything.

You think little Prince Louis is oppressing the Duchess of Cambridge? Lol, ok. Your logic really is something to behold.

Beyond that, yes, women and POC have been oppressed (some way more than others) "worldwide". But let me guess, you are an upper middle class professional woman -- probably a white woman. So you lump shabby treatment at the Starbucks into the same big pool as slavery and genocide so you can have your ticket to the oppression sweepstakes. Give me a break. And then you want to use this "logic" to spend all day everyday berating your progressive white male friends and family. Sure, do that, but (a) you are not helping the truly oppressed, so quit the self-righteous nonsense, (b) you are probably alienating the people most willing and able to help, and (c) you are just annoying as hell. Spend some time appreciating your privilege, doing something USEFUL to make a difference, and be nice to the people around you.

Oh, and one last thing, maybe "all men suck" in your worldwide, but the vast majority of men in the world have it way, way worse than you.

You are way out of touch if you think American women are complaining about Starbucks problems when they talk about sexism. My DD just graduated from HS, where girls have been dealing with sexual harassment and sexual assault since MS. It just gets worse from there.

The pp mentioned in her litany of "worldwide" oppression the treatment she gets going out for coffee. Any white UMC professional woman on this board is, on a "worldwide" scale, so powerful and well off, that is a joke that she would compare herself to the oppression experienced by others who have real problems. Anyone wants to rant and rave is welcome to do that, but it doesn't mean anyone has to care or listen if it is just complaining coming from a place of power.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what you mean by stark binary vs. regular binary. Yes, there are nuances but logical thinking is rooted in binary thinking. We pre-suppose some things we agree upon to then further rationalize a position using symbolic logic.

And yes, this results in hundreds of years of debate over the existence of God culminating in… faith.

I can’t imagine a logical argument anyone could defend rationally that women and POC are not oppressed worldwide today. Further, the rhetoric is escalating and women and POC see it and experience it at work, at home, at the gym, grabbing a coffee. Even something as mundane as little royal Luis shushing his Mom as the world coos, boys will be boys, tells us everything.

You think little Prince Louis is oppressing the Duchess of Cambridge? Lol, ok. Your logic really is something to behold.

Beyond that, yes, women and POC have been oppressed (some way more than others) "worldwide". But let me guess, you are an upper middle class professional woman -- probably a white woman. So you lump shabby treatment at the Starbucks into the same big pool as slavery and genocide so you can have your ticket to the oppression sweepstakes. Give me a break. And then you want to use this "logic" to spend all day everyday berating your progressive white male friends and family. Sure, do that, but (a) you are not helping the truly oppressed, so quit the self-righteous nonsense, (b) you are probably alienating the people most willing and able to help, and (c) you are just annoying as hell. Spend some time appreciating your privilege, doing something USEFUL to make a difference, and be nice to the people around you.

Oh, and one last thing, maybe "all men suck" in your worldwide, but the vast majority of men in the world have it way, way worse than you.

You are way out of touch if you think American women are complaining about Starbucks problems when they talk about sexism. My DD just graduated from HS, where girls have been dealing with sexual harassment and sexual assault since MS. It just gets worse from there.

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Anonymous wrote:I could be OP’s wife. There is a fascist zeitgeist sweeping America and it’s scary as hell. It’s tapping into macho masculinity, white supremacy, Christian evangelicals, militarism and will bring about the ruin of our great democracy via known propaganda tactics. Totalitarianism is coming unless we stop it. This is why your wife seems crazy. You don’t see the signs.

You're looking at America through a fun house mirror. The signs are there, but they are distorted and amplified by social media and cable news. Also, fretting endlessly to your husband isn't likely to do any good.

+1000

People who believe the CNN-induced hysteria are living in a very sick little bubble.

Turn off your devices and emerge from the quarantine already. The world is waiting, and it’s hardly the horror show the media paints it as.

Again, the message - just shut up about it.

My DH should be the person in the world who has my back. If I’m experiencing sexism in the world, I should be able to talk about it with him and have his empathy, concern, support and action.

Talk about your experiences, sure. Vent nightly about how furious you are at what you saw on the news, nah.

Yeah just turn your mind away from reality and everything will be ok. Talk about misogyny! “Poor little Woman just can’t handle the media” she needs to keep the blinders on lest she get confused.

Do you even hear yourself?

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Anonymous wrote:I could be OP’s wife. There is a fascist zeitgeist sweeping America and it’s scary as hell. It’s tapping into macho masculinity, white supremacy, Christian evangelicals, militarism and will bring about the ruin of our great democracy via known propaganda tactics. Totalitarianism is coming unless we stop it. This is why your wife seems crazy. You don’t see the signs.

You're looking at America through a fun house mirror. The signs are there, but they are distorted and amplified by social media and cable news. Also, fretting endlessly to your husband isn't likely to do any good.

+1000

People who believe the CNN-induced hysteria are living in a very sick little bubble.

Turn off your devices and emerge from the quarantine already. The world is waiting, and it’s hardly the horror show the media paints it as.

Again, the message - just shut up about it.

My DH should be the person in the world who has my back. If I’m experiencing sexism in the world, I should be able to talk about it with him and have his empathy, concern, support and action.

Talk about your experiences, sure. Vent nightly about how furious you are at what you saw on the news, nah.

Yeah just turn your mind away from reality and everything will be ok. Talk about misogyny! “Poor little Woman just can’t handle the media” she needs to keep the blinders on lest she get confused.

Do you even hear yourself?

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Again, the message - just shut up about it.

My DH should be the person in the world who has my back. If I’m experiencing sexism in the world, I should be able to talk about it with him and have his empathy, concern, support and action.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could be OP’s wife. There is a fascist zeitgeist sweeping America and it’s scary as hell. It’s tapping into macho masculinity, white supremacy, Christian evangelicals, militarism and will bring about the ruin of our great democracy via known propaganda tactics. Totalitarianism is coming unless we stop it. This is why your wife seems crazy. You don’t see the signs.

You're looking at America through a fun house mirror. The signs are there, but they are distorted and amplified by social media and cable news. Also, fretting endlessly to your husband isn't likely to do any good.

+1000

People who believe the CNN-induced hysteria are living in a very sick little bubble.

Turn off your devices and emerge from the quarantine already. The world is waiting, and it’s hardly the horror show the media paints it as.

Again, the message - just shut up about it.

My DH should be the person in the world who has my back. If I’m experiencing sexism in the world, I should be able to talk about it with him and have his empathy, concern, support and action.

Talk about your experiences, sure. Vent nightly about how furious you are at what you saw on the news, nah.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could be OP’s wife. There is a fascist zeitgeist sweeping America and it’s scary as hell. It’s tapping into macho masculinity, white supremacy, Christian evangelicals, militarism and will bring about the ruin of our great democracy via known propaganda tactics. Totalitarianism is coming unless we stop it. This is why your wife seems crazy. You don’t see the signs.

You're looking at America through a fun house mirror. The signs are there, but they are distorted and amplified by social media and cable news. Also, fretting endlessly to your husband isn't likely to do any good.

+1000

People who believe the CNN-induced hysteria are living in a very sick little bubble.

Turn off your devices and emerge from the quarantine already. The world is waiting, and it’s hardly the horror show the media paints it as.

Again, the message - just shut up about it.

My DH should be the person in the world who has my back. If I’m experiencing sexism in the world, I should be able to talk about it with him and have his empathy, concern, support and action.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could be OP’s wife. There is a fascist zeitgeist sweeping America and it’s scary as hell. It’s tapping into macho masculinity, white supremacy, Christian evangelicals, militarism and will bring about the ruin of our great democracy via known propaganda tactics. Totalitarianism is coming unless we stop it. This is why your wife seems crazy. You don’t see the signs.

You're looking at America through a fun house mirror. The signs are there, but they are distorted and amplified by social media and cable news. Also, fretting endlessly to your husband isn't likely to do any good.

+1000

People who believe the CNN-induced hysteria are living in a very sick little bubble.

Turn off your devices and emerge from the quarantine already. The world is waiting, and it’s hardly the horror show the media paints it as.

Again, the message - just shut up about it.

My DH should be the person in the world who has my back. If I’m experiencing sexism in the world, I should be able to talk about it with him and have his empathy, concern, support and action.

Anonymous wrote:I'm generally on the same side as my wife politically, and I agree that women tend to get the short end of the stick in a lot of ways, politically, legally, and culturally. But the constant drumbeat of how men suck is just really off-putting. When I occasionally object, she'll say some variant of "oh, I don't mean you." If I was on and on about the shortcomings of women, she'd be furious. And she'd take it personally.

Anyone else have a spouse who fixates on a single subject in a way that's relentlessly negative? If so, how do you deal with it?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could be OP’s wife. There is a fascist zeitgeist sweeping America and it’s scary as hell. It’s tapping into macho masculinity, white supremacy, Christian evangelicals, militarism and will bring about the ruin of our great democracy via known propaganda tactics. Totalitarianism is coming unless we stop it. This is why your wife seems crazy. You don’t see the signs.

You're looking at America through a fun house mirror. The signs are there, but they are distorted and amplified by social media and cable news. Also, fretting endlessly to your husband isn't likely to do any good.

+1000

People who believe the CNN-induced hysteria are living in a very sick little bubble.

Turn off your devices and emerge from the quarantine already. The world is waiting, and it’s hardly the horror show the media paints it as.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what you mean by stark binary vs. regular binary. Yes, there are nuances but logical thinking is rooted in binary thinking. We pre-suppose some things we agree upon to then further rationalize a position using symbolic logic.

And yes, this results in hundreds of years of debate over the existence of God culminating in… faith.

I can’t imagine a logical argument anyone could defend rationally that women and POC are not oppressed worldwide today. Further, the rhetoric is escalating and women and POC see it and experience it at work, at home, at the gym, grabbing a coffee. Even something as mundane as little royal Luis shushing his Mom as the world coos, boys will be boys, tells us everything.

You think little Prince Louis is oppressing the Duchess of Cambridge? Lol, ok. Your logic really is something to behold.

Beyond that, yes, women and POC have been oppressed (some way more than others) "worldwide". But let me guess, you are an upper middle class professional woman -- probably a white woman. So you lump shabby treatment at the Starbucks into the same big pool as slavery and genocide so you can have your ticket to the oppression sweepstakes. Give me a break. And then you want to use this "logic" to spend all day everyday berating your progressive white male friends and family. Sure, do that, but (a) you are not helping the truly oppressed, so quit the self-righteous nonsense, (b) you are probably alienating the people most willing and able to help, and (c) you are just annoying as hell. Spend some time appreciating your privilege, doing something USEFUL to make a difference, and be nice to the people around you.

Oh, and one last thing, maybe "all men suck" in your worldwide, but the vast majority of men in the world have it way, way worse than you.

You are way out of touch if you think American women are complaining about Starbucks problems when they talk about sexism. My DD just graduated from HS, where girls have been dealing with sexual harassment and sexual assault since MS. It just gets worse from there.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could be OP’s wife. There is a fascist zeitgeist sweeping America and it’s scary as hell. It’s tapping into macho masculinity, white supremacy, Christian evangelicals, militarism and will bring about the ruin of our great democracy via known propaganda tactics. Totalitarianism is coming unless we stop it. This is why your wife seems crazy. You don’t see the signs.

You're looking at America through a fun house mirror. The signs are there, but they are distorted and amplified by social media and cable news. Also, fretting endlessly to your husband isn't likely to do any good.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what you mean by stark binary vs. regular binary. Yes, there are nuances but logical thinking is rooted in binary thinking. We pre-suppose some things we agree upon to then further rationalize a position using symbolic logic.

And yes, this results in hundreds of years of debate over the existence of God culminating in… faith.

I can’t imagine a logical argument anyone could defend rationally that women and POC are not oppressed worldwide today. Further, the rhetoric is escalating and women and POC see it and experience it at work, at home, at the gym, grabbing a coffee. Even something as mundane as little royal Luis shushing his Mom as the world coos, boys will be boys, tells us everything.

You think little Prince Louis is oppressing the Duchess of Cambridge? Lol, ok. Your logic really is something to behold.

Beyond that, yes, women and POC have been oppressed (some way more than others) "worldwide". But let me guess, you are an upper middle class professional woman -- probably a white woman. So you lump shabby treatment at the Starbucks into the same big pool as slavery and genocide so you can have your ticket to the oppression sweepstakes. Give me a break. And then you want to use this "logic" to spend all day everyday berating your progressive white male friends and family. Sure, do that, but (a) you are not helping the truly oppressed, so quit the self-righteous nonsense, (b) you are probably alienating the people most willing and able to help, and (c) you are just annoying as hell. Spend some time appreciating your privilege, doing something USEFUL to make a difference, and be nice to the people around you.

Oh, and one last thing, maybe "all men suck" in your worldwide, but the vast majority of men in the world have it way, way worse than you.

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what you mean by stark binary vs. regular binary. Yes, there are nuances but logical thinking is rooted in binary thinking. We pre-suppose some things we agree upon to then further rationalize a position using symbolic logic.

And yes, this results in hundreds of years of debate over the existence of God culminating in… faith.

I can’t imagine a logical argument anyone could defend rationally that women and POC are not oppressed worldwide today. Further, the rhetoric is escalating and women and POC see it and experience it at work, at home, at the gym, grabbing a coffee. Even something as mundane as little royal Luis shushing his Mom as the world coos, boys will be boys, tells us everything.