Anonymous wrote:The Vatican issued a statement that being pro life requires combatting poverty and gun violence.

Vatican is for men

The Vatican issued a statement that being pro life requires combatting poverty and gun violence.

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Anonymous wrote:No it isn't. If Evangelicals don't want abortions, then they don't have to have them, but they cannot restrict other people's options and choices.

See the difference?

You could say the same thing statutory child rape — “If you don’t like it, just don’t do it.” But that’s not the way it works in a democracy. We all get a say as to what is acceptable and unacceptable—regardless of our religious beliefs.

We are supposed to try to convince one another using logic and persuasion — not use the courts to force our minority religious dogmas on everyone else.

A fetus is not a human being, not until it is fully formed and can function separately from the woman. Separately does not mean independently by the way. We don’t treat a 6 week old fetus as a citizen in this country, nor does any country in the world.

But even if it were, we don’t force people in this country to sustain another human being, even if it is to save their life. Mothers of newborns are not forced to keep and raise them, you are not forced to donate your bone marrow to a kid that will die without it. So forcing pregnant women to sustain a pregnancy against their will, is not only inhuman but makes them second class citizens in this country.

If you feel that citizens of this country should be forced to undergo medical and biological processes so they can sustain the life of someone else, then have it apply to everyone, and put it up for a vote.

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Anonymous wrote:No it isn't. If Evangelicals don't want abortions, then they don't have to have them, but they cannot restrict other people's options and choices.

See the difference?

You could say the same thing statutory child rape — “If you don’t like it, just don’t do it.” But that’s not the way it works in a democracy. We all get a say as to what is acceptable and unacceptable—regardless of our religious beliefs.

We are supposed to try to convince one another using logic and persuasion — not use the courts to force our minority religious dogmas on everyone else.

So you think it is ok for statutory rape in some cases?

The example was to illustrate the point. What is statutory rape, i.e. what is the age of consent? Age 18? 21? 19? 17?

One religious group wanting to force their view on the rest of the country using the Court, rather than let the People express their will via the democratic process, is a violation of the separation of synagogue and state.

And for all the posters insisting that there will be exceptions to protect the life of the mother, the Catholic Church will excommunicate you if they decide the fetus was healthy and only the mother was in danger.


https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/22/us-catholic-bishop-hospital-abortion

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Anonymous wrote:I keep reading about how abortion is central to Judaism. It’s clear to me that the founders always believed in a clear separation between synagogue and state.

I’m not sure why Jews think that exposing abortion as a Jewish thing is a good idea, but clearly Jewish religious dogma has no place in our laws or government.

It isn't that "abortion is central to judaism" but rather some religions consider life to start at birth, not conception, so when Evangelicals try to foist their religious beliefs on the rest of us, that is a violation of the First Amendment. It's too bad the SCOTUS is tainted, otherwise they would have realized it. Or, perhaps this is the game:

But let's not say that abortion is central to any religion, because it isn't and your language undermines and delegitimizes the broader point.

I’m responding to all this sudden push by Jews to say that the ability to abort an unborn child is fundamental to Judaism. They’re saying it - not me. But then they are trying to say that because abortion access is a fundamental Jewish value, the People cannot (via the democratic process) restrict or outlaw it. That’s Jews trying to force their religious beliefs on the rest of the country.

Give the anti semetic onslaught a rest.

Birth away as often as you like but don't force your anti choice views on everyone else.

These Roe threads are replete with people blaming and trash talking Christians. Funny how pointing out the very troubling Jewish religious insistence on abortion is “antisemitic.”

A JEWISH PERSON HAS NEVER TRIED TO CONVERT ME OR MY FAMILY.

Can you Christians please try to get this into your thick skulls???

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Anonymous wrote:No it isn't. If Evangelicals don't want abortions, then they don't have to have them, but they cannot restrict other people's options and choices.

See the difference?

You could say the same thing statutory child rape — “If you don’t like it, just don’t do it.” But that’s not the way it works in a democracy. We all get a say as to what is acceptable and unacceptable—regardless of our religious beliefs.

We are supposed to try to convince one another using logic and persuasion — not use the courts to force our minority religious dogmas on everyone else.

Wow. Christians really seem to enjoy thinking up absurd pedophile scenarios. Recent events have shown that this is purenprojection.

This fundamentalist can’t seem to understand the difference between rape between an adult and a minor vs an individual adult making a personal health decision. Religion warps your brain until the world is a confusing and scary place.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep reading about how abortion is central to Judaism. It’s clear to me that the founders always believed in a clear separation between synagogue and state.

I’m not sure why Jews think that exposing abortion as a Jewish thing is a good idea, but clearly Jewish religious dogma has no place in our laws or government.

It isn't that "abortion is central to judaism" but rather some religions consider life to start at birth, not conception, so when Evangelicals try to foist their religious beliefs on the rest of us, that is a violation of the First Amendment. It's too bad the SCOTUS is tainted, otherwise they would have realized it. Or, perhaps this is the game:

But let's not say that abortion is central to any religion, because it isn't and your language undermines and delegitimizes the broader point.

I’m responding to all this sudden push by Jews to say that the ability to abort an unborn child is fundamental to Judaism. They’re saying it - not me. But then they are trying to say that because abortion access is a fundamental Jewish value, the People cannot (via the democratic process) restrict or outlaw it. That’s Jews trying to force their religious beliefs on the rest of the country.

Give the anti semetic onslaught a rest.

Birth away as often as you like but don't force your anti choice views on everyone else.

These Roe threads are replete with people blaming and trash talking Christians. Funny how pointing out the very troubling Jewish religious insistence on abortion is “antisemitic.”

The only trashing of Christians is that they have packed the courts and our institutions and are forcing their dogma on the rest of us. They are free to practice their religion as they see fit. They are not free to force their religion on the rest of us.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep reading about how abortion is central to Judaism. It’s clear to me that the founders always believed in a clear separation between synagogue and state.

I’m not sure why Jews think that exposing abortion as a Jewish thing is a good idea, but clearly Jewish religious dogma has no place in our laws or government.

It isn't that "abortion is central to judaism" but rather some religions consider life to start at birth, not conception, so when Evangelicals try to foist their religious beliefs on the rest of us, that is a violation of the First Amendment. It's too bad the SCOTUS is tainted, otherwise they would have realized it. Or, perhaps this is the game:

But let's not say that abortion is central to any religion, because it isn't and your language undermines and delegitimizes the broader point.

I’m responding to all this sudden push by Jews to say that the ability to abort an unborn child is fundamental to Judaism. They’re saying it - not me. But then they are trying to say that because abortion access is a fundamental Jewish value, the People cannot (via the democratic process) restrict or outlaw it. That’s Jews trying to force their religious beliefs on the rest of the country.

Give the anti semetic onslaught a rest.

Birth away as often as you like but don't force your anti choice views on everyone else.

These Roe threads are replete with people blaming and trash talking Christians. Funny how pointing out the very troubling Jewish religious insistence on abortion is “antisemitic.”

I am not jewish and I assure you that I insist on the right for every woman to choose what she wants...as a right for every woman regardless of state or religion.or anything else.

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Anonymous wrote:No it isn't. If Evangelicals don't want abortions, then they don't have to have them, but they cannot restrict other people's options and choices.

See the difference?

You could say the same thing statutory child rape — “If you don’t like it, just don’t do it.” But that’s not the way it works in a democracy. We all get a say as to what is acceptable and unacceptable—regardless of our religious beliefs.

We are supposed to try to convince one another using logic and persuasion — not use the courts to force our minority religious dogmas on everyone else.

So you think it is ok for statutory rape in some cases?

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Anonymous wrote:No it isn't. If Evangelicals don't want abortions, then they don't have to have them, but they cannot restrict other people's options and choices.

See the difference?

You could say the same thing statutory child rape — “If you don’t like it, just don’t do it.” But that’s not the way it works in a democracy. We all get a say as to what is acceptable and unacceptable—regardless of our religious beliefs.

We are supposed to try to convince one another using logic and persuasion — not use the courts to force our minority religious dogmas on everyone else.

Every women needs to have reproductive brights to make her own reproductive decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep reading about how abortion is central to Judaism. It’s clear to me that the founders always believed in a clear separation between synagogue and state.

I’m not sure why Jews think that exposing abortion as a Jewish thing is a good idea, but clearly Jewish religious dogma has no place in our laws or government.

It isn't that "abortion is central to judaism" but rather some religions consider life to start at birth, not conception, so when Evangelicals try to foist their religious beliefs on the rest of us, that is a violation of the First Amendment. It's too bad the SCOTUS is tainted, otherwise they would have realized it. Or, perhaps this is the game:

But let's not say that abortion is central to any religion, because it isn't and your language undermines and delegitimizes the broader point.

I’m responding to all this sudden push by Jews to say that the ability to abort an unborn child is fundamental to Judaism. They’re saying it - not me. But then they are trying to say that because abortion access is a fundamental Jewish value, the People cannot (via the democratic process) restrict or outlaw it. That’s Jews trying to force their religious beliefs on the rest of the country.

Give the anti semetic onslaught a rest.

Birth away as often as you like but don't force your anti choice views on everyone else.

These Roe threads are replete with people blaming and trash talking Christians. Funny how pointing out the very troubling Jewish religious insistence on abortion is “antisemitic.”

Anonymous wrote:No it isn't. If Evangelicals don't want abortions, then they don't have to have them, but they cannot restrict other people's options and choices.

See the difference?

You could say the same thing statutory child rape — “If you don’t like it, just don’t do it.” But that’s not the way it works in a democracy. We all get a say as to what is acceptable and unacceptable—regardless of our religious beliefs.

We are supposed to try to convince one another using logic and persuasion — not use the courts to force our minority religious dogmas on everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep reading about how abortion is central to Judaism. It’s clear to me that the founders always believed in a clear separation between synagogue and state.

I’m not sure why Jews think that exposing abortion as a Jewish thing is a good idea, but clearly Jewish religious dogma has no place in our laws or government.

It isn't that "abortion is central to judaism" but rather some religions consider life to start at birth, not conception, so when Evangelicals try to foist their religious beliefs on the rest of us, that is a violation of the First Amendment. It's too bad the SCOTUS is tainted, otherwise they would have realized it. Or, perhaps this is the game:

But let's not say that abortion is central to any religion, because it isn't and your language undermines and delegitimizes the broader point.

I’m responding to all this sudden push by Jews to say that the ability to abort an unborn child is fundamental to Judaism. They’re saying it - not me. But then they are trying to say that because abortion access is a fundamental Jewish value, the People cannot (via the democratic process) restrict or outlaw it. That’s Jews trying to force their religious beliefs on the rest of the country.

Give the anti semetic onslaught a rest.

Birth away as often as you like but don't force your anti choice views on everyone else.