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Anonymous wrote: Great Falls wants to keep Langley below capacity indefinitely for reasons that are obvious, but at some point the adults need to say enough is enough.

For reference, approximately 50% of Langley's current student body feeds from Great Falls (GFES, Forestville, and the Great Falls part of Colvin Run). Regardless of what anyone wants, FCPS isn't magically reassigning Great Falls away from Langley. You would need to find ~1,000 HS kids to fill that gap.

As much as you might want it to be otherwise, FCPS also isn't moving Forestville (the ES farthest from Langley) out of Langley anytime soon. That would only be done in connection with a wholesale boundary change and I assure you there is no appetite for that (on the school board, across the general population, or otherwise). Maybe when the mythical Western High School is built. But that is many years out.

With regard to the Tyson's development that's the genesis of this discussion, it seems premature when construction isn't even slated to begin until sometime in 2023 (which means it won't open until at least 2024). Why on earth would the school board take on a potentially complicated boundary issue that is not even ripe? That would be a political landmine. It makes no sense.

(And, because I know that the most common response to posts here is the personal attack: I have no horse in this race and personally could not care less about the demographics of any HS student body.)

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All of the above is accurate. Thank you for bringing some logic and sanity to this thread. Be prepared to be called all kinds of names by those who continue to throw their tantrums on anonymous message boards rather than lobbying the actual SB.

You have no idea who is or will be lobbying "the actual SB" behind the scenes. You simply want to try and squelch any discussion of topics you don't happen to like on this forum.

And YOU have no idea who is posting on this thread and what schools their kids attend. You simply want to blame any disagreement on Langley parents. I assure you - your obsession with that school is only making people take you less and less seriously. Good luck to you.

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Anonymous wrote: Great Falls wants to keep Langley below capacity indefinitely for reasons that are obvious, but at some point the adults need to say enough is enough.

For reference, approximately 50% of Langley's current student body feeds from Great Falls (GFES, Forestville, and the Great Falls part of Colvin Run). Regardless of what anyone wants, FCPS isn't magically reassigning Great Falls away from Langley. You would need to find ~1,000 HS kids to fill that gap.

As much as you might want it to be otherwise, FCPS also isn't moving Forestville (the ES farthest from Langley) out of Langley anytime soon. That would only be done in connection with a wholesale boundary change and I assure you there is no appetite for that (on the school board, across the general population, or otherwise). Maybe when the mythical Western High School is built. But that is many years out.

With regard to the Tyson's development that's the genesis of this discussion, it seems premature when construction isn't even slated to begin until sometime in 2023 (which means it won't open until at least 2024). Why on earth would the school board take on a potentially complicated boundary issue that is not even ripe? That would be a political landmine. It makes no sense.

(And, because I know that the most common response to posts here is the personal attack: I have no horse in this race and personally could not care less about the demographics of any HS student body.)

Your timeline is only 2 years out... but sure, they should just punt a decision because they can and wait until people have actually started moving in and the issue becomes more contentious... THEN make a decision for which very little additional salient information has arrived. Seems to be the School Board's MO.

There is literally no political benefit for them to take on a potentially contentious issue now. Plenty can happen in two years. The issue does not affect anyone at any FCPS school today. That is likely why it's only being discussed on an anonymous message.

There is considerable political benefit for the FCPS School Board to (1) act pro-actively rather than reactively to school overcrowding and (2) demonstrate that its actions align with its oft-stated commitment to equity.

It's possible that doing the right thing would rile up some people, but groups like Voices of Fairfax have already shown that their attacks end up helping their targets and that their endorsements fail to get their candidates elected.

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Anonymous wrote: Great Falls wants to keep Langley below capacity indefinitely for reasons that are obvious, but at some point the adults need to say enough is enough.

For reference, approximately 50% of Langley's current student body feeds from Great Falls (GFES, Forestville, and the Great Falls part of Colvin Run). Regardless of what anyone wants, FCPS isn't magically reassigning Great Falls away from Langley. You would need to find ~1,000 HS kids to fill that gap.

As much as you might want it to be otherwise, FCPS also isn't moving Forestville (the ES farthest from Langley) out of Langley anytime soon. That would only be done in connection with a wholesale boundary change and I assure you there is no appetite for that (on the school board, across the general population, or otherwise). Maybe when the mythical Western High School is built. But that is many years out.

With regard to the Tyson's development that's the genesis of this discussion, it seems premature when construction isn't even slated to begin until sometime in 2023 (which means it won't open until at least 2024). Why on earth would the school board take on a potentially complicated boundary issue that is not even ripe? That would be a political landmine. It makes no sense.

(And, because I know that the most common response to posts here is the personal attack: I have no horse in this race and personally could not care less about the demographics of any HS student body.)

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All of the above is accurate. Thank you for bringing some logic and sanity to this thread. Be prepared to be called all kinds of names by those who continue to throw their tantrums on anonymous message boards rather than lobbying the actual SB.

You have no idea who is or will be lobbying "the actual SB" behind the scenes. You simply want to try and squelch any discussion of topics you don't happen to like on this forum.

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Anonymous wrote: Great Falls wants to keep Langley below capacity indefinitely for reasons that are obvious, but at some point the adults need to say enough is enough.

For reference, approximately 50% of Langley's current student body feeds from Great Falls (GFES, Forestville, and the Great Falls part of Colvin Run). Regardless of what anyone wants, FCPS isn't magically reassigning Great Falls away from Langley. You would need to find ~1,000 HS kids to fill that gap.

As much as you might want it to be otherwise, FCPS also isn't moving Forestville (the ES farthest from Langley) out of Langley anytime soon. That would only be done in connection with a wholesale boundary change and I assure you there is no appetite for that (on the school board, across the general population, or otherwise). Maybe when the mythical Western High School is built. But that is many years out.

With regard to the Tyson's development that's the genesis of this discussion, it seems premature when construction isn't even slated to begin until sometime in 2023 (which means it won't open until at least 2024). Why on earth would the school board take on a potentially complicated boundary issue that is not even ripe? That would be a political landmine. It makes no sense.

(And, because I know that the most common response to posts here is the personal attack: I have no horse in this race and personally could not care less about the demographics of any HS student body.)

Your timeline is only 2 years out... but sure, they should just punt a decision because they can and wait until people have actually started moving in and the issue becomes more contentious... THEN make a decision for which very little additional salient information has arrived. Seems to be the School Board's MO.

There is literally no political benefit for them to take on a potentially contentious issue now. Plenty can happen in two years. The issue does not affect anyone at any FCPS school today. That is likely why it's only being discussed on an anonymous message.

There is considerable political benefit for the FCPS School Board to (1) act pro-actively rather than reactively to school overcrowding and (2) demonstrate that its actions align with its oft-stated commitment to equity.

It's possible that doing the right thing would rile up some people, but groups like Voices of Fairfax have already shown that their attacks end up helping their targets and that their endorsements fail to get their candidates elected.

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Anonymous wrote: Great Falls wants to keep Langley below capacity indefinitely for reasons that are obvious, but at some point the adults need to say enough is enough.

For reference, approximately 50% of Langley's current student body feeds from Great Falls (GFES, Forestville, and the Great Falls part of Colvin Run). Regardless of what anyone wants, FCPS isn't magically reassigning Great Falls away from Langley. You would need to find ~1,000 HS kids to fill that gap.

As much as you might want it to be otherwise, FCPS also isn't moving Forestville (the ES farthest from Langley) out of Langley anytime soon. That would only be done in connection with a wholesale boundary change and I assure you there is no appetite for that (on the school board, across the general population, or otherwise). Maybe when the mythical Western High School is built. But that is many years out.

With regard to the Tyson's development that's the genesis of this discussion, it seems premature when construction isn't even slated to begin until sometime in 2023 (which means it won't open until at least 2024). Why on earth would the school board take on a potentially complicated boundary issue that is not even ripe? That would be a political landmine. It makes no sense.

(And, because I know that the most common response to posts here is the personal attack: I have no horse in this race and personally could not care less about the demographics of any HS student body.)

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All of the above is accurate. Thank you for bringing some logic and sanity to this thread. Be prepared to be called all kinds of names by those who continue to throw their tantrums on anonymous message boards rather than lobbying the actual SB.

Anonymous wrote:Is there federal sort of kick back monies going to counties to incentivize this reckless behavior of approving a billion pop up high density housing projects lately? We obviously don't have the school space, recreation space, or traffic space for it. This behavior needs to cease!

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Anonymous wrote: Great Falls wants to keep Langley below capacity indefinitely for reasons that are obvious, but at some point the adults need to say enough is enough.

For reference, approximately 50% of Langley's current student body feeds from Great Falls (GFES, Forestville, and the Great Falls part of Colvin Run). Regardless of what anyone wants, FCPS isn't magically reassigning Great Falls away from Langley. You would need to find ~1,000 HS kids to fill that gap.

As much as you might want it to be otherwise, FCPS also isn't moving Forestville (the ES farthest from Langley) out of Langley anytime soon. That would only be done in connection with a wholesale boundary change and I assure you there is no appetite for that (on the school board, across the general population, or otherwise). Maybe when the mythical Western High School is built. But that is many years out.

With regard to the Tyson's development that's the genesis of this discussion, it seems premature when construction isn't even slated to begin until sometime in 2023 (which means it won't open until at least 2024). Why on earth would the school board take on a potentially complicated boundary issue that is not even ripe? That would be a political landmine. It makes no sense.

(And, because I know that the most common response to posts here is the personal attack: I have no horse in this race and personally could not care less about the demographics of any HS student body.)

Your timeline is only 2 years out... but sure, they should just punt a decision because they can and wait until people have actually started moving in and the issue becomes more contentious... THEN make a decision for which very little additional salient information has arrived. Seems to be the School Board's MO.

There is literally no political benefit for them to take on a potentially contentious issue now. Plenty can happen in two years. The issue does not affect anyone at any FCPS school today. That is likely why it's only being discussed on an anonymous message.

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Anonymous wrote: Great Falls wants to keep Langley below capacity indefinitely for reasons that are obvious, but at some point the adults need to say enough is enough.

For reference, approximately 50% of Langley's current student body feeds from Great Falls (GFES, Forestville, and the Great Falls part of Colvin Run). Regardless of what anyone wants, FCPS isn't magically reassigning Great Falls away from Langley. You would need to find ~1,000 HS kids to fill that gap.

As much as you might want it to be otherwise, FCPS also isn't moving Forestville (the ES farthest from Langley) out of Langley anytime soon. That would only be done in connection with a wholesale boundary change and I assure you there is no appetite for that (on the school board, across the general population, or otherwise). Maybe when the mythical Western High School is built. But that is many years out.

With regard to the Tyson's development that's the genesis of this discussion, it seems premature when construction isn't even slated to begin until sometime in 2023 (which means it won't open until at least 2024). Why on earth would the school board take on a potentially complicated boundary issue that is not even ripe? That would be a political landmine. It makes no sense.

(And, because I know that the most common response to posts here is the personal attack: I have no horse in this race and personally could not care less about the demographics of any HS student body.)

Your timeline is only 2 years out... but sure, they should just punt a decision because they can and wait until people have actually started moving in and the issue becomes more contentious... THEN make a decision for which very little additional salient information has arrived. Seems to be the School Board's MO.

There is literally no political benefit for them to take on a potentially contentious issue now. Plenty can happen in two years. The issue does not affect anyone at any FCPS school today. That is likely why it's only being discussed on an anonymous message.

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Anonymous wrote: Great Falls wants to keep Langley below capacity indefinitely for reasons that are obvious, but at some point the adults need to say enough is enough.

For reference, approximately 50% of Langley's current student body feeds from Great Falls (GFES, Forestville, and the Great Falls part of Colvin Run). Regardless of what anyone wants, FCPS isn't magically reassigning Great Falls away from Langley. You would need to find ~1,000 HS kids to fill that gap.

As much as you might want it to be otherwise, FCPS also isn't moving Forestville (the ES farthest from Langley) out of Langley anytime soon. That would only be done in connection with a wholesale boundary change and I assure you there is no appetite for that (on the school board, across the general population, or otherwise). Maybe when the mythical Western High School is built. But that is many years out.

With regard to the Tyson's development that's the genesis of this discussion, it seems premature when construction isn't even slated to begin until sometime in 2023 (which means it won't open until at least 2024). Why on earth would the school board take on a potentially complicated boundary issue that is not even ripe? That would be a political landmine. It makes no sense.

(And, because I know that the most common response to posts here is the personal attack: I have no horse in this race and personally could not care less about the demographics of any HS student body.)

Your timeline is only 2 years out... but sure, they should just punt a decision because they can and wait until people have actually started moving in and the issue becomes more contentious... THEN make a decision for which very little additional salient information has arrived. Seems to be the School Board's MO.

There is literally no political benefit for them to take on a potentially contentious issue now. Plenty can happen in two years. The issue does not affect anyone at any FCPS school today. That is likely why it's only being discussed on an anonymous message.

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Anonymous wrote:All the new housing getting built in Tysons currently feeds into Marshall and McLean.

Marshall's enrollment is up 38 kids since the school year began. McLean is up 27 kids. Langley's enrollment hasn't increased at all from September 2021 to April 2022.

If they don't reassign this new housing project off Spring Hill Road to under-enrolled Langley, Jason Miyares should open an investigation into the School Board's neglect of duty.

If nothing happened when millions were spent expanded West Potomac even though Mt. Vernon had space, I doubt the Langley boundary will warrant much attention.

Besides, 46 has promise us food shortages and inflation shows no sign of stopping. I’ll bet that the percentage of Langley-boundaried children that goes to private school decreases next year and the year after. A bad economy is great for public school enrollment.

I doubt the private school enrollment decreases, but I doubt the school board will be too interested in dealing with anymore boundary adjustments in that area for a while. Your example of west Potomac was spot on.

You could argue it’s an opportunity for the SB members to try and redeem themselves. Of course, it may be too late for some, given how little support they have left.

Picking boundary fights may "redeem" SB members in the eyes of a select few, but politically-speaking its the easiest way to lose an election. The fact of the matter is that most people could not care less about boundaries until and unless it directly impacts them. Boundary fights will almost always lose you more votes than they gain.

That might be the case if you're talking about reassigning kids from an existing development to a new, lower-ranked school.

There is little downside from reassigning some apartments from Marshall to Langley, especially when most of the apartments will be new construction where kids never attended Marshall. On the other hand, it might indicate that the School Board isn't completely full of crap when it talks about equity all the time but leaves Langley renovated, under capacity, and without any lower or moderate-income housing. That might stem some of the losses they are looking at next year. There are already going to be quite a few voters who usually vote Democratic breaking ranks next year for reasons unrelated to boundaries.

You are not thinking about the big picture. You for some reason just care about Langley. What about elementary and middle schools?

What about ES and MS? At least from the MS perspective, Cooper was recently renovated and expanded, whereas Kilmer has the math department out in a modular. Seems pretty clear where new west Tysons growth should be zoned from a capacity standpoint.

Cooper will already be over capacity when it is done with the expansion. Cooper was over capacity for so long they had a modular there and the expansion will not be enough.

I don’t necessarily disagree that kids should be moved there, but you are acting like this is an easy decision and there aren’t other factors involved.

It's hard to believe Cooper can't be expanded to the size of other middle schools during its renovation, unless the expansion is intentionally capped to keep out the kids Langley doesn't want. Looking at the "big picture" would be to make sure that doesn't happen.

Cooper parent here. My kid spends half his time in a trailer. I have gone on a tour and been on some zoom pta calls and when they go through the renovation, it doesn’t sound like a huge amount of expansion. I could be wrong. All I know is my kid spends a lot of time in trailers.

I believe Longfellow was expanded but McLean high has not been renovated and is severely overcrowded. I don’t think Cooper is being expanded as much as it can be.

Most schools have trailers when they are being renovated and expanded like Cooper.

The issue here is whether kids in the new developments in Tysons currently within the Westbriar/Kilmer/Marshall boundary will be in temporary classrooms at Kilmer or Marshall or potentially push Cooper and/or Langley to near full capacity.

The trailers were there before the renovation.

I welcome new developments to be zoned or rezoned to Langley/Cooper. As much as people on DCUM think that Langley parents don’t want any multi family, that just isn’t true. Your kid will hang out with their group of friends and not care about others.

Yikes. You make it sound like your kid’s “group of friends” would never include kids from multi-family housing (the “others”) in any event. Please tell us that wasn’t your intent.

That is not what I meant at all. I was just saying that no one would know or care where you live. My 7th grader is shy and introvert. He mostly hangs out with friends he had from elementary and made a handful of new friends and acquaintances once he got to middle school. He has not been invited to anyone’s home of his new friends so he would have no idea what kind of housing the new friends lived in.

We have lots of friends in NY who live in apartments or townhouses. We also have friends in townhouses in VA and DC. Why would my kid or I care where another student lives?

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Anonymous wrote: Great Falls wants to keep Langley below capacity indefinitely for reasons that are obvious, but at some point the adults need to say enough is enough.

For reference, approximately 50% of Langley's current student body feeds from Great Falls (GFES, Forestville, and the Great Falls part of Colvin Run). Regardless of what anyone wants, FCPS isn't magically reassigning Great Falls away from Langley. You would need to find ~1,000 HS kids to fill that gap.

As much as you might want it to be otherwise, FCPS also isn't moving Forestville (the ES farthest from Langley) out of Langley anytime soon. That would only be done in connection with a wholesale boundary change and I assure you there is no appetite for that (on the school board, across the general population, or otherwise). Maybe when the mythical Western High School is built. But that is many years out.

With regard to the Tyson's development that's the genesis of this discussion, it seems premature when construction isn't even slated to begin until sometime in 2023 (which means it won't open until at least 2024). Why on earth would the school board take on a potentially complicated boundary issue that is not even ripe? That would be a political landmine. It makes no sense.

(And, because I know that the most common response to posts here is the personal attack: I have no horse in this race and personally could not care less about the demographics of any HS student body.)

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Anonymous wrote:All the new housing getting built in Tysons currently feeds into Marshall and McLean.

Marshall's enrollment is up 38 kids since the school year began. McLean is up 27 kids. Langley's enrollment hasn't increased at all from September 2021 to April 2022.

If they don't reassign this new housing project off Spring Hill Road to under-enrolled Langley, Jason Miyares should open an investigation into the School Board's neglect of duty.

If nothing happened when millions were spent expanded West Potomac even though Mt. Vernon had space, I doubt the Langley boundary will warrant much attention.

Besides, 46 has promise us food shortages and inflation shows no sign of stopping. I’ll bet that the percentage of Langley-boundaried children that goes to private school decreases next year and the year after. A bad economy is great for public school enrollment.

I doubt the private school enrollment decreases, but I doubt the school board will be too interested in dealing with anymore boundary adjustments in that area for a while. Your example of west Potomac was spot on.

You could argue it’s an opportunity for the SB members to try and redeem themselves. Of course, it may be too late for some, given how little support they have left.

Picking boundary fights may "redeem" SB members in the eyes of a select few, but politically-speaking its the easiest way to lose an election. The fact of the matter is that most people could not care less about boundaries until and unless it directly impacts them. Boundary fights will almost always lose you more votes than they gain.

That might be the case if you're talking about reassigning kids from an existing development to a new, lower-ranked school.

There is little downside from reassigning some apartments from Marshall to Langley, especially when most of the apartments will be new construction where kids never attended Marshall. On the other hand, it might indicate that the School Board isn't completely full of crap when it talks about equity all the time but leaves Langley renovated, under capacity, and without any lower or moderate-income housing. That might stem some of the losses they are looking at next year. There are already going to be quite a few voters who usually vote Democratic breaking ranks next year for reasons unrelated to boundaries.

You are not thinking about the big picture. You for some reason just care about Langley. What about elementary and middle schools?

What about ES and MS? At least from the MS perspective, Cooper was recently renovated and expanded, whereas Kilmer has the math department out in a modular. Seems pretty clear where new west Tysons growth should be zoned from a capacity standpoint.

Cooper will already be over capacity when it is done with the expansion. Cooper was over capacity for so long they had a modular there and the expansion will not be enough.

I don’t necessarily disagree that kids should be moved there, but you are acting like this is an easy decision and there aren’t other factors involved.

It's hard to believe Cooper can't be expanded to the size of other middle schools during its renovation, unless the expansion is intentionally capped to keep out the kids Langley doesn't want. Looking at the "big picture" would be to make sure that doesn't happen.

Cooper parent here. My kid spends half his time in a trailer. I have gone on a tour and been on some zoom pta calls and when they go through the renovation, it doesn’t sound like a huge amount of expansion. I could be wrong. All I know is my kid spends a lot of time in trailers.

I believe Longfellow was expanded but McLean high has not been renovated and is severely overcrowded. I don’t think Cooper is being expanded as much as it can be.

Most schools have trailers when they are being renovated and expanded like Cooper.

The issue here is whether kids in the new developments in Tysons currently within the Westbriar/Kilmer/Marshall boundary will be in temporary classrooms at Kilmer or Marshall or potentially push Cooper and/or Langley to near full capacity.

The trailers were there before the renovation.

I welcome new developments to be zoned or rezoned to Langley/Cooper. As much as people on DCUM think that Langley parents don’t want any multi family, that just isn’t true. Your kid will hang out with their group of friends and not care about others.

Yikes. You make it sound like your kid’s “group of friends” would never include kids from multi-family housing (the “others”) in any event. Please tell us that wasn’t your intent.

Anonymous wrote:Is there federal sort of kick back monies going to counties to incentivize this reckless behavior of approving a billion pop up high density housing projects lately? We obviously don't have the school space, recreation space, or traffic space for it. This behavior needs to cease!

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Anonymous wrote: Great Falls wants to keep Langley below capacity indefinitely for reasons that are obvious, but at some point the adults need to say enough is enough.

For reference, approximately 50% of Langley's current student body feeds from Great Falls (GFES, Forestville, and the Great Falls part of Colvin Run). Regardless of what anyone wants, FCPS isn't magically reassigning Great Falls away from Langley. You would need to find ~1,000 HS kids to fill that gap.

As much as you might want it to be otherwise, FCPS also isn't moving Forestville (the ES farthest from Langley) out of Langley anytime soon. That would only be done in connection with a wholesale boundary change and I assure you there is no appetite for that (on the school board, across the general population, or otherwise). Maybe when the mythical Western High School is built. But that is many years out.

With regard to the Tyson's development that's the genesis of this discussion, it seems premature when construction isn't even slated to begin until sometime in 2023 (which means it won't open until at least 2024). Why on earth would the school board take on a potentially complicated boundary issue that is not even ripe? That would be a political landmine. It makes no sense.

(And, because I know that the most common response to posts here is the personal attack: I have no horse in this race and personally could not care less about the demographics of any HS student body.)

Your timeline is only 2 years out... but sure, they should just punt a decision because they can and wait until people have actually started moving in and the issue becomes more contentious... THEN make a decision for which very little additional salient information has arrived. Seems to be the School Board's MO.

There is literally no political benefit for them to take on a potentially contentious issue now. Plenty can happen in two years. The issue does not affect anyone at any FCPS school today. That is likely why it's only being discussed on an anonymous message.