What happened that this show lost its charm? I really don't know. It was such a delight in the beginning - and such a slog at the end.

I thought the finale was good - it worked, that said.

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It seemed right that her kids weren't around. Her putting around that big house all by herself felt fitting - she got what she wanted, and she was alone.

I'm glad that she and Suzie were close at the end. Their breakup really hurt! Theirs was the love story I was here for.

And I really want Suzie's caftan and gold clogs.

can’t stand Midge’s face and voice anymore.

Anonymous wrote:just end this thing already. so bad.

The structure of this last season is clever, different, and does a great job moving us toward an ending. I know some here dislike everything after about the first two seasons for some reason but I think they just don't like the fact Midge's comedy career didn't take off early and the whole series hasn't been just Midge and Susie being fabulous and successful. I like that things stalled and Midge has had to scramble for anything like a career (that's the most realistic part of the entire show, really). And for the person who hated "narcissist" Midge -- we don't have to like every character, or even the main character, in any show. How boring that would be, to watch only likeable characters all the time.

As for Joel: At the very start of the series, I assumed he was only there as a plot device to cheat on Midge, fail at comedy, and prompt her to become her own person. Then I figured he'd pretty much be sidelined or disappear entirely. Nope, he's become something much more important than a mere plot device, and I think the writers did a wonderful job with subverting expectations about what Joel would be. The very, very brief mention by someone, in passing in a voice-over, that "he made sure his partner Archie was OK" -- that just blew me away. So loyal. (If you've seen the current season you will know what I mean.)

just end this thing already. so bad.

Anonymous wrote:I just watched the last one and it was good.

This show marked the beginning of COVID lockdowns etc and with the end of COVID, it seems appropriate that this show is over too.

Tits up!

You might be thinking of Ted Lasso? This show started long before COVID lockdowns. But I also thought they wrapped it up nicely.

Anonymous wrote:Hopefully they are setting it up for something big to happen.

I find all the characters have morphed into annoying caricatures. I still love the dresses, but all the characters have become irritating. Interestingly, her ex is the only person who doesn’t annoy me at this point.

Me too!

Her ex has matured and seems like a good man now while everyone else seems self-centered and obnoxious.

Never got the hype about this show. Main character is a horrible narcissist.

Anonymous wrote:I just watched the last one and it was good.

This show marked the beginning of COVID lockdowns etc and with the end of COVID, it seems appropriate that this show is over too.

Tits up!

It started in 2017

I just watched the last one and it was good.

This show marked the beginning of COVID lockdowns etc and with the end of COVID, it seems appropriate that this show is over too.

Tits up!

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Anonymous wrote:It was not a good season. The plot felt all over the place yet completely stagnant. No loose ends tied up- midge doesn’t know that Susie lost her money and Joel covered for her, there was no follow up on midge and Joel getting remarried in Vegas (are they divorced again? does mei know? Not know?) no mention of Joel managing midges money like Susie asked him to at the end of season 3, among other things. No follow up on how Midge and Joel feel about each other (they exchange lingering looks when she buys back the apartment, he calls her his wife when defending her to Susie). Instead, a million new storylines and characters were introduced while doing fan fiction to all the previous characters, like shy Baldwin and sophie Lennon (what is sophie even doing on the show at this point- though Jane lynch is hilarious - the character does nothing to advance the plot. We dig into Susie’s sexuality for five seconds, only to turn right back around, and the list goes on.

While the writing is still quirky and witty, this season was all over the place.

I think the Joel/Midge plotline has been very clearly wrapped up. As has been said by both Midge and Joel, but also by Suzy when she asked Joel to hello her manage Midge's money-- they are always going to love each other, but they are never getting back together again.

Except it hasn’t been wrapped up. As evidenced by the fact that they divorced then remarried an episode later, and were still technically married for the entire fourth season. I was also just rewatching the finale where midge referred to Joel as her husband in her set and said they were “still something.” But maybe they’re just bound to be complicated, like a Lucy/Desi dynamic.

I mean it's been wrapped up in that this IS their relationship, and it's exactly as you've said: They are always going to be entwined with another. But any viewer thinking this show is going to end with the two of them together-- that's not going to happen.

I agree. Though I finally watched the finale and I feel like Mei is going to be running for the hills (and maybe an abortion?) next season after Midge’s “pep talk” with her.

I kind of just assumed she was going to have an abortion. I mean there were hospitals performing abortions in NY in the 50s. Plus she is in med school so I am sure she has connections.

But if that was her plan why tell Joel and make him tell his entire family? Why hang out and lie to his mother, etc?

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Anonymous wrote:It was not a good season. The plot felt all over the place yet completely stagnant. No loose ends tied up- midge doesn’t know that Susie lost her money and Joel covered for her, there was no follow up on midge and Joel getting remarried in Vegas (are they divorced again? does mei know? Not know?) no mention of Joel managing midges money like Susie asked him to at the end of season 3, among other things. No follow up on how Midge and Joel feel about each other (they exchange lingering looks when she buys back the apartment, he calls her his wife when defending her to Susie). Instead, a million new storylines and characters were introduced while doing fan fiction to all the previous characters, like shy Baldwin and sophie Lennon (what is sophie even doing on the show at this point- though Jane lynch is hilarious - the character does nothing to advance the plot. We dig into Susie’s sexuality for five seconds, only to turn right back around, and the list goes on.

While the writing is still quirky and witty, this season was all over the place.

I think the Joel/Midge plotline has been very clearly wrapped up. As has been said by both Midge and Joel, but also by Suzy when she asked Joel to hello her manage Midge's money-- they are always going to love each other, but they are never getting back together again.

Except it hasn’t been wrapped up. As evidenced by the fact that they divorced then remarried an episode later, and were still technically married for the entire fourth season. I was also just rewatching the finale where midge referred to Joel as her husband in her set and said they were “still something.” But maybe they’re just bound to be complicated, like a Lucy/Desi dynamic.

I mean it's been wrapped up in that this IS their relationship, and it's exactly as you've said: They are always going to be entwined with another. But any viewer thinking this show is going to end with the two of them together-- that's not going to happen.

I agree. Though I finally watched the finale and I feel like Mei is going to be running for the hills (and maybe an abortion?) next season after Midge’s “pep talk” with her.

I kind of just assumed she was going to have an abortion. I mean there were hospitals performing abortions in NY in the 50s. Plus she is in med school so I am sure she has connections.

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Anonymous wrote:It was not a good season. The plot felt all over the place yet completely stagnant. No loose ends tied up- midge doesn’t know that Susie lost her money and Joel covered for her, there was no follow up on midge and Joel getting remarried in Vegas (are they divorced again? does mei know? Not know?) no mention of Joel managing midges money like Susie asked him to at the end of season 3, among other things. No follow up on how Midge and Joel feel about each other (they exchange lingering looks when she buys back the apartment, he calls her his wife when defending her to Susie). Instead, a million new storylines and characters were introduced while doing fan fiction to all the previous characters, like shy Baldwin and sophie Lennon (what is sophie even doing on the show at this point- though Jane lynch is hilarious - the character does nothing to advance the plot. We dig into Susie’s sexuality for five seconds, only to turn right back around, and the list goes on.

While the writing is still quirky and witty, this season was all over the place.

I think the Joel/Midge plotline has been very clearly wrapped up. As has been said by both Midge and Joel, but also by Suzy when she asked Joel to hello her manage Midge's money-- they are always going to love each other, but they are never getting back together again.

Except it hasn’t been wrapped up. As evidenced by the fact that they divorced then remarried an episode later, and were still technically married for the entire fourth season. I was also just rewatching the finale where midge referred to Joel as her husband in her set and said they were “still something.” But maybe they’re just bound to be complicated, like a Lucy/Desi dynamic.

I mean it's been wrapped up in that this IS their relationship, and it's exactly as you've said: They are always going to be entwined with another. But any viewer thinking this show is going to end with the two of them together-- that's not going to happen.

I agree. Though I finally watched the finale and I feel like Mei is going to be running for the hills (and maybe an abortion?) next season after Midge’s “pep talk” with her.

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Anonymous wrote:It was not a good season. The plot felt all over the place yet completely stagnant. No loose ends tied up- midge doesn’t know that Susie lost her money and Joel covered for her, there was no follow up on midge and Joel getting remarried in Vegas (are they divorced again? does mei know? Not know?) no mention of Joel managing midges money like Susie asked him to at the end of season 3, among other things. No follow up on how Midge and Joel feel about each other (they exchange lingering looks when she buys back the apartment, he calls her his wife when defending her to Susie). Instead, a million new storylines and characters were introduced while doing fan fiction to all the previous characters, like shy Baldwin and sophie Lennon (what is sophie even doing on the show at this point- though Jane lynch is hilarious - the character does nothing to advance the plot. We dig into Susie’s sexuality for five seconds, only to turn right back around, and the list goes on.

While the writing is still quirky and witty, this season was all over the place.

I think the Joel/Midge plotline has been very clearly wrapped up. As has been said by both Midge and Joel, but also by Suzy when she asked Joel to hello her manage Midge's money-- they are always going to love each other, but they are never getting back together again.

Except it hasn’t been wrapped up. As evidenced by the fact that they divorced then remarried an episode later, and were still technically married for the entire fourth season. I was also just rewatching the finale where midge referred to Joel as her husband in her set and said they were “still something.” But maybe they’re just bound to be complicated, like a Lucy/Desi dynamic.

I mean it's been wrapped up in that this IS their relationship, and it's exactly as you've said: They are always going to be entwined with another. But any viewer thinking this show is going to end with the two of them together-- that's not going to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate it and the mother is plainly anorexic

Marin Hinkle has been quite ill for some time-- she suffers from chronic nerve pain. She's much thinner now than she was before her illness.

DP. I'm sorry to hear this, and also I'm admiring the fact she's working while having a chronic condition that could be debilitating. We love Rose and how Marin Hinkle portrays her. What a trouper.

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Anonymous wrote:It was not a good season. The plot felt all over the place yet completely stagnant. No loose ends tied up- midge doesn’t know that Susie lost her money and Joel covered for her, there was no follow up on midge and Joel getting remarried in Vegas (are they divorced again? does mei know? Not know?) no mention of Joel managing midges money like Susie asked him to at the end of season 3, among other things. No follow up on how Midge and Joel feel about each other (they exchange lingering looks when she buys back the apartment, he calls her his wife when defending her to Susie). Instead, a million new storylines and characters were introduced while doing fan fiction to all the previous characters, like shy Baldwin and sophie Lennon (what is sophie even doing on the show at this point- though Jane lynch is hilarious - the character does nothing to advance the plot. We dig into Susie’s sexuality for five seconds, only to turn right back around, and the list goes on.

While the writing is still quirky and witty, this season was all over the place.

I think the Joel/Midge plotline has been very clearly wrapped up. As has been said by both Midge and Joel, but also by Suzy when she asked Joel to hello her manage Midge's money-- they are always going to love each other, but they are never getting back together again.

Except it hasn’t been wrapped up. As evidenced by the fact that they divorced then remarried an episode later, and were still technically married for the entire fourth season. I was also just rewatching the finale where midge referred to Joel as her husband in her set and said they were “still something.” But maybe they’re just bound to be complicated, like a Lucy/Desi dynamic.