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Anonymous wrote:I would go to Notre Dame even for CS vs over-crowded Berkeley.
You'll cerntanly get a good job with a CS degree especailly from a top school like Notre Dame.
No need to go to a over-crowded public school with cutthroat competitiveness.

So Notre Dame for any major.

and choosing UVA over Notre Dame for any major is just a flat non-sense.

Not if you are in-state and not Catholic. What about ND ranking only 285 globally did you miss? UVA got my kid into Cambridge for grad work. There are a lot of UVA students at Oxbridge

Some might choose UVA if paying significantly lesss for in-state tuition and/or wanting to stay close to mommy.
My kid got in both Notre Dame and UVA. Not even a second thought just like most people.

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Notre+Dame&with=University+of+Virginia
those 21% are the ones paying in-state and/or wanting to stay close to mommy.

Only if Catholic. It would never occur to in-state Virginians to even apply to ND. Why?

Why? ND is a step up, and UVA is boring as hell with like 70% Virginians??

As opposed to going to a school with majority white midwestern Catholics? Ha ha.

So not a big fan of the Catholic church hierarchy in the US, e.g., plans to deny Kerry, then Biden communion, etc. That said, one of the smartest people I ever collaborated with on a project when working in DC was an ND alum. One of the best dads I know is an ND alum. Both are huge boosters of the school and their daughters, both are pro-choice, and both grew up in predominantly white Catholic communities in the US, etc.

I might paint with a finer brush here.

Yeah, don't even bother with these bigots. Seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious to see how people (especially you HR folks and recruiters) would personally rank these schools if you had a recent graduate apply for an entry level job.

Colby College, Notre Dame, UC Berkeley, Boston College, Colgate, Fordham, Boston University, UVA, Villanova, Tulane, and UMD.

I do hiring and I reject the premise of these types of questions. The premise is we would favor applicants from these colleges in some sort of rank order, with an applicant from the lowest rung having much chance of succeeding against the school on the highest rung. In my general experience, the candidate is what matters most, and assuming the schools are roughly in the same broad level of quality, it doesn't matter that much, and these schools are largely in a similar category.

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The premise of ranking suggests WAY too fine-grained distinctions. UC Berkeley is the only one that I would MAYBE push up a notch as the school itself lending a bit of extra notability. The others would all be an advantage for most candidates in my view but no further distinctions among them. They would be in the category of 'went to a very good school' and then other things would matter far more.

Midwest, not US

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Anonymous wrote:I would go to Notre Dame even for CS vs over-crowded Berkeley.
You'll cerntanly get a good job with a CS degree especailly from a top school like Notre Dame.
No need to go to a over-crowded public school with cutthroat competitiveness.

So Notre Dame for any major.

and choosing UVA over Notre Dame for any major is just a flat non-sense.

Not if you are in-state and not Catholic. What about ND ranking only 285 globally did you miss? UVA got my kid into Cambridge for grad work. There are a lot of UVA students at Oxbridge

Some might choose UVA if paying significantly lesss for in-state tuition and/or wanting to stay close to mommy.
My kid got in both Notre Dame and UVA. Not even a second thought just like most people.

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Notre+Dame&with=University+of+Virginia
those 21% are the ones paying in-state and/or wanting to stay close to mommy.

Only if Catholic. It would never occur to in-state Virginians to even apply to ND. Why?

Why? ND is a step up, and UVA is boring as hell with like 70% Virginians??

As opposed to going to a school with majority white midwestern Catholics? Ha ha.

So not a big fan of the Catholic church hierarchy in the US, e.g., plans to deny Kerry, then Biden communion, etc. That said, one of the smartest people I ever collaborated with on a project when working in DC was an ND alum. One of the best dads I know is an ND alum. Both are huge boosters of the school and their daughters, both are pro-choice, and both grew up in predominantly white Catholic communities in the US, etc.

I might paint with a finer brush here.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends little bit on the major, but in general;


Notre Dame (T20 school with 6th or 7th biggest endowment)

Berkeley (go here if engineering or CS)
UVA (go here if Virginian and money matters)

Boston College
Boston Univeristy
Tulane

Colby
UMCP
Vilanova

Colgate
Fordham

If accepted to both

Notre Dame vs UVA
79% choose Notre Dame. 95% would probably choose Notre Dame if cost is same.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Notre+Dame&with=University+of+Virginia#box2

Notre Dame vs Berkeley
60% choose Notre Daem. proabaly 80% if cost is same, 20% might be CS/engineering for Berkeley.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Notre+Dame&with=University+of+California%2C+Berkeley

UVA is clearly a step down from Notre Dame.
Notre Dame is ranked higher and studetns clearly favor it over Berkeley or UVA.

? That really wasn't the question though. Which grad are firms more likely to hire. I'd say in this area Uva. maybe, depends on the major of course.

I have strong views on how the Catholic church treats women, especially in view of its politics on women's reproductive health. I wouldn't trust any ND grad to view women as equal to men. Big pass.

LOL your loss.

Yes, ND has one of the lowest rape crime rate.
ND grads are expect to respect women the most based on such data.
Hege loss for that person.

OK, BS. BS. BS. The rape crisis center is not AT ND. The road between ND and the women's college across the street is literally nicknamed "Rape Road."

I don't get why people are putting Tulane above Colgate?

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Anonymous wrote:Depends little bit on the major, but in general;


Notre Dame (T20 school with 6th or 7th biggest endowment)

Berkeley (go here if engineering or CS)
UVA (go here if Virginian and money matters)

Boston College
Boston Univeristy
Tulane

Colby
UMCP
Vilanova

Colgate
Fordham

If accepted to both

Notre Dame vs UVA
79% choose Notre Dame. 95% would probably choose Notre Dame if cost is same.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Notre+Dame&with=University+of+Virginia#box2

Notre Dame vs Berkeley
60% choose Notre Daem. proabaly 80% if cost is same, 20% might be CS/engineering for Berkeley.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Notre+Dame&with=University+of+California%2C+Berkeley

UVA is clearly a step down from Notre Dame.
Notre Dame is ranked higher and studetns clearly favor it over Berkeley or UVA.

? That really wasn't the question though. Which grad are firms more likely to hire. I'd say in this area Uva. maybe, depends on the major of course.

I have strong views on how the Catholic church treats women, especially in view of its politics on women's reproductive health. I wouldn't trust any ND grad to view women as equal to men. Big pass.

LOL your loss.

Touchdown Jesus won’t save you from hell.

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Anonymous wrote:The UVA hype on this site is outrageous. Globally UVA isn't even ranked top 200.

Notre Dame ranking at QS

https://www.topuniversities.com/universities/university-notre-dame



Notre Dame #183

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/university-notre-dame


I wouldn’t be bragging too much about ND either. Both schools are not heavily hitters internationally.

We are much more interested in the Undergraduate ranking. We'll worry about Graduate stuff some other time somewhere else.

The fact is that Notre Dame is the only solid T20 school from the list by the de facto official ranking = USN&WR.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Enough already. 

ND is not a “ top 20 school” as you keep posting because that USNWR rank is only for universities - it does not include the very top colleges like Pomona. Also please note UVA is 25 on that same list you keep citing. Considering there are over 4,000 institutions of higher learning in the US, I think your constant “but ND is a top 20 school and so much better than UVA!” to be a bit absurd and disingenuous, especially since ND is 85 percent Catholic. I certainly didn’t want my DCs to apply to ND. You are comparing apples to oranges

They have separate ranking for liberal arts colleges.
USN&WR is the flagship ranking, however it's just a reference, so don't get too obsessed.  

So ND is #19 for national universities for undergraduates.
When we say T10 T20 T50, we are talking about National Universities.

Pomona is #4 for national liberal arts for undergraduates.
So if you are interested in LAC, then you can reference that.  
My kid would not apply to LAC or go to a school like UVA where 70% of the kids are from Virginia and 50% from Northern VA. 
(didn't apply any LAC. Applied UVA for a back up, got accepted, but not at the bottom of the list)
Those are all personal preferences, so who cares about your or my kid's  personal preference or taste but since you mentioned your preference. 

And you are right it's apples and oranges, so USN&WR has separate categories for National University and Liberal Arts.
So the bottom line is that ND is a T20 school for Undergraduate National Universities by USN&WR which is the flagship ranking for Undergraduates..

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Anonymous wrote:The UVA hype on this site is outrageous. Globally UVA isn't even ranked top 200.

Notre Dame ranking at QS

https://www.topuniversities.com/universities/university-notre-dame



Notre Dame #183

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/university-notre-dame


I wouldn’t be bragging too much about ND either. Both schools are not heavily hitters internationally.

We are much more interested in the Undergraduate ranking. We'll worry about Graduate stuff some other time somewhere else.

The fact is that Notre Dame is the only solid T20 school from the list by the de facto official ranking = USN&WR.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Enough already. 

ND is not a “ top 20 school” as you keep posting because that USNWR rank is only for universities - it does not include the very top colleges like Pomona. Also please note UVA is 25 on that same list you keep citing. Considering there are over 4,000 institutions of higher learning in the US, I think your constant “but ND is a top 20 school and so much better than UVA!” to be a bit absurd and disingenuous, especially since ND is 85 percent Catholic. I certainly didn’t want my DCs to apply to ND. You are comparing apples to oranges

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Anonymous wrote:Depends little bit on the major, but in general;


Notre Dame (T20 school with 6th or 7th biggest endowment)

Berkeley (go here if engineering or CS)
UVA (go here if Virginian and money matters)

Boston College
Boston Univeristy
Tulane

Colby
UMCP
Vilanova

Colgate
Fordham

If accepted to both

Notre Dame vs UVA
79% choose Notre Dame. 95% would probably choose Notre Dame if cost is same.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Notre+Dame&with=University+of+Virginia#box2

Notre Dame vs Berkeley
60% choose Notre Daem. proabaly 80% if cost is same, 20% might be CS/engineering for Berkeley.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Notre+Dame&with=University+of+California%2C+Berkeley

UVA is clearly a step down from Notre Dame.
Notre Dame is ranked higher and studetns clearly favor it over Berkeley or UVA.

? That really wasn't the question though. Which grad are firms more likely to hire. I'd say in this area Uva. maybe, depends on the major of course.

I have strong views on how the Catholic church treats women, especially in view of its politics on women's reproductive health. I wouldn't trust any ND grad to view women as equal to men. Big pass.

LOL your loss.

Yes, ND has one of the lowest rape crime rate.
ND grads are expect to respect women the most based on such data.
Hege loss for that person.

How do you know that?

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious to see how people (especially you HR folks and recruiters) would personally rank these schools if you had a recent graduate apply for an entry level job.

Colby College, Notre Dame, UC Berkeley, Boston College, Colgate, Fordham, Boston University, UVA, Villanova, Tulane, and UMD.

I do hiring and I reject the premise of these types of questions. The premise is we would favor applicants from these colleges in some sort of rank order, with an applicant from the lowest rung having much chance of succeeding against the school on the highest rung. In my general experience, the candidate is what matters most, and assuming the schools are roughly in the same broad level of quality, it doesn't matter that much, and these schools are largely in a similar category.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends little bit on the major, but in general;


Notre Dame (T20 school with 6th or 7th biggest endowment)

Berkeley (go here if engineering or CS)
UVA (go here if Virginian and money matters)

Boston College
Boston Univeristy
Tulane

Colby
UMCP
Vilanova

Colgate
Fordham

If accepted to both

Notre Dame vs UVA
79% choose Notre Dame. 95% would probably choose Notre Dame if cost is same.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Notre+Dame&with=University+of+Virginia#box2

Notre Dame vs Berkeley
60% choose Notre Daem. proabaly 80% if cost is same, 20% might be CS/engineering for Berkeley.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Notre+Dame&with=University+of+California%2C+Berkeley

UVA is clearly a step down from Notre Dame.
Notre Dame is ranked higher and studetns clearly favor it over Berkeley or UVA.

? That really wasn't the question though. Which grad are firms more likely to hire. I'd say in this area Uva. maybe, depends on the major of course.

I have strong views on how the Catholic church treats women, especially in view of its politics on women's reproductive health. I wouldn't trust any ND grad to view women as equal to men. Big pass.

LOL your loss.

Yes, ND has one of the lowest rape crime rate.
ND grads are expect to respect women the most based on such data.
Hege loss for that person.

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Anonymous wrote:I love that VA people get their panties in a twist because of UVA which is ranked #110. Whereas, MD folks are so quite about UMD being #60.

Mainly because UMD is the safety school for MD students who are applying to MIT. Whereas UVA is the reach school for VA students.

UVA is ranked no. 4 for public universities by USN&WR. UMCP is no. 20. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

OK so let me get this straight. USNWR is a good ranking for this purpose, but we should ignore for the purpose of the OP's ranking request. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends little bit on the major, but in general;


Notre Dame (T20 school with 6th or 7th biggest endowment)

Berkeley (go here if engineering or CS)
UVA (go here if Virginian and money matters)

Boston College
Boston Univeristy
Tulane

Colby
UMCP
Vilanova

Colgate
Fordham

If accepted to both

Notre Dame vs UVA
79% choose Notre Dame. 95% would probably choose Notre Dame if cost is same.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Notre+Dame&with=University+of+Virginia#box2

Notre Dame vs Berkeley
60% choose Notre Daem. proabaly 80% if cost is same, 20% might be CS/engineering for Berkeley.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Notre+Dame&with=University+of+California%2C+Berkeley

UVA is clearly a step down from Notre Dame.
Notre Dame is ranked higher and studetns clearly favor it over Berkeley or UVA.

? That really wasn't the question though. Which grad are firms more likely to hire. I'd say in this area Uva. maybe, depends on the major of course.

I have strong views on how the Catholic church treats women, especially in view of its politics on women's reproductive health. I wouldn't trust any ND grad to view women as equal to men. Big pass.

LOL your loss.

Aren’t Colby and Colgate equivalent? I would rank them about the same