Anonymous wrote:Where are all the highly skilled hackers when you need them? lol They need to hack all NFL teams' emails and release the problematic ones.

You missed that the NFL itself has been investigating the mess that is the sexual harassment et al in Washington and selectively released only the emails that proved Jon Gruden was a POS and hasn’t put out any other results. The House Oversight Committee is actually looking into it.

I will paly along with all your sneaky tricks and all that until I don't get what I want and then I will cry foul.

signed Brian Flores & Hugh Jackson

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the NFL has stepped in it now. After issuing a statement categorically denying Flores’ allegations that Ross offered him $100k per loss to rank the season, it’s own network is reporting a witness has come forward who overheard Ross making the offer to Flores. And Flores’ legal team is saying they have evidence to corroborate it, including messages from the Dolphins’ GM.

https://www.nfl.com/news/witness-says-he-heard-dolphins-owner-stephen-ross-offer-ex-head-coach-brian-flor?campaign=Twitter_atn

Well. if you read that article, Flores says he refused to go along with the plan "and that was the reason I was let go."
So he just gave a completely non-racial explanation for why he was let go.
I don't see how this allegation helps his racial discrimination case at all, and in fact, if true, it shows he was fired for completely non-racial reasons.
It will be a major embarrassment to Ross however, and maybe the is the whole point. Revenge.

Not necessarily. Tanking a season like Ross asked Flores to do would have destroyed Flores’ career. When you consider it from that perspective, $100k per game was a pittance. Would he have asked a white coach tod on the same, or did he only think a black coach would be such a fool as to take that deal? Did he take Floes serious as a head coach, or was Flores a patsy to get a couple years of good draft picks and then was going to fired in favor of a “real” head coach?

Unless you are Stephen Ross or someone very close to him, you do not know the answer to that any more than I do so don’t bother trying to pretend you do. But if there are written records (texts, emails, etc.) or anyone who is will to speak up and admit they had discussions with Ross about this stuff, it could get ugly.

+1 Federal crime ugly.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the NFL has stepped in it now. After issuing a statement categorically denying Flores’ allegations that Ross offered him $100k per loss to rank the season, it’s own network is reporting a witness has come forward who overheard Ross making the offer to Flores. And Flores’ legal team is saying they have evidence to corroborate it, including messages from the Dolphins’ GM.

https://www.nfl.com/news/witness-says-he-heard-dolphins-owner-stephen-ross-offer-ex-head-coach-brian-flor?campaign=Twitter_atn

Well. if you read that article, Flores says he refused to go along with the plan "and that was the reason I was let go."
So he just gave a completely non-racial explanation for why he was let go.
I don't see how this allegation helps his racial discrimination case at all, and in fact, if true, it shows he was fired for completely non-racial reasons.
It will be a major embarrassment to Ross however, and maybe the is the whole point. Revenge.

Not necessarily. Tanking a season like Ross asked Flores to do would have destroyed Flores’ career. When you consider it from that perspective, $100k per game was a pittance. Would he have asked a white coach tod on the same, or did he only think a black coach would be such a fool as to take that deal? Did he take Floes serious as a head coach, or was Flores a patsy to get a couple years of good draft picks and then was going to fired in favor of a “real” head coach?

Unless you are Stephen Ross or someone very close to him, you do not know the answer to that any more than I do so don’t bother trying to pretend you do. But if there are written records (texts, emails, etc.) or anyone who is will to speak up and admit they had discussions with Ross about this stuff, it could get ugly.

It is a good question, and I think the answer is Yes, he would have in that same situation. But that is speculation, since we will never know.

What is your factual basis for that belief?

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the NFL has stepped in it now. After issuing a statement categorically denying Flores’ allegations that Ross offered him $100k per loss to rank the season, it’s own network is reporting a witness has come forward who overheard Ross making the offer to Flores. And Flores’ legal team is saying they have evidence to corroborate it, including messages from the Dolphins’ GM.

https://www.nfl.com/news/witness-says-he-heard-dolphins-owner-stephen-ross-offer-ex-head-coach-brian-flor?campaign=Twitter_atn

Well. if you read that article, Flores says he refused to go along with the plan "and that was the reason I was let go."
So he just gave a completely non-racial explanation for why he was let go.
I don't see how this allegation helps his racial discrimination case at all, and in fact, if true, it shows he was fired for completely non-racial reasons.
It will be a major embarrassment to Ross however, and maybe the is the whole point. Revenge.

Not necessarily. Tanking a season like Ross asked Flores to do would have destroyed Flores’ career. When you consider it from that perspective, $100k per game was a pittance. Would he have asked a white coach tod on the same, or did he only think a black coach would be such a fool as to take that deal? Did he take Floes serious as a head coach, or was Flores a patsy to get a couple years of good draft picks and then was going to fired in favor of a “real” head coach?

Unless you are Stephen Ross or someone very close to him, you do not know the answer to that any more than I do so don’t bother trying to pretend you do. But if there are written records (texts, emails, etc.) or anyone who is will to speak up and admit they had discussions with Ross about this stuff, it could get ugly.

It is a good question, and I think the answer is Yes, he would have in that same situation. But that is speculation, since we will never know.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, the NFL has stepped in it now. After issuing a statement categorically denying Flores’ allegations that Ross offered him $100k per loss to rank the season, it’s own network is reporting a witness has come forward who overheard Ross making the offer to Flores. And Flores’ legal team is saying they have evidence to corroborate it, including messages from the Dolphins’ GM.

https://www.nfl.com/news/witness-says-he-heard-dolphins-owner-stephen-ross-offer-ex-head-coach-brian-flor?campaign=Twitter_atn

Well. if you read that article, Flores says he refused to go along with the plan "and that was the reason I was let go."
So he just gave a completely non-racial explanation for why he was let go.
I don't see how this allegation helps his racial discrimination case at all, and in fact, if true, it shows he was fired for completely non-racial reasons.
It will be a major embarrassment to Ross however, and maybe the is the whole point. Revenge.

Not necessarily. Tanking a season like Ross asked Flores to do would have destroyed Flores’ career. When you consider it from that perspective, $100k per game was a pittance. Would he have asked a white coach tod on the same, or did he only think a black coach would be such a fool as to take that deal? Did he take Floes serious as a head coach, or was Flores a patsy to get a couple years of good draft picks and then was going to fired in favor of a “real” head coach?

Unless you are Stephen Ross or someone very close to him, you do not know the answer to that any more than I do so don’t bother trying to pretend you do. But if there are written records (texts, emails, etc.) or anyone who is will to speak up and admit they had discussions with Ross about this stuff, it could get ugly.

Anonymous wrote:Well, the NFL has stepped in it now. After issuing a statement categorically denying Flores’ allegations that Ross offered him $100k per loss to rank the season, it’s own network is reporting a witness has come forward who overheard Ross making the offer to Flores. And Flores’ legal team is saying they have evidence to corroborate it, including messages from the Dolphins’ GM.

https://www.nfl.com/news/witness-says-he-heard-dolphins-owner-stephen-ross-offer-ex-head-coach-brian-flor?campaign=Twitter_atn

Well. if you read that article, Flores says he refused to go along with the plan "and that was the reason I was let go."
So he just gave a completely non-racial explanation for why he was let go.
I don't see how this allegation helps his racial discrimination case at all, and in fact, if true, it shows he was fired for completely non-racial reasons.
It will be a major embarrassment to Ross however, and maybe the is the whole point. Revenge.

Where are all the highly skilled hackers when you need them? lol They need to hack all NFL teams' emails and release the problematic ones.

I think it is very brave that someone who has as much to lose as Flores has, decided to file this suit and bring the things asserted in his complaint to light - most of the time people with so much to gain by keeping quiet do so (understandably). By taking this action they will through discovery be able to air out some of the issues that resulted in the need for the Rooney Rule and hopefully bring more transparency into the NFL hiring - from a long time and bummed by this news, NYG fan.

Well, the NFL has stepped in it now. After issuing a statement categorically denying Flores’ allegations that Ross offered him $100k per loss to rank the season, it’s own network is reporting a witness has come forward who overheard Ross making the offer to Flores. And Flores’ legal team is saying they have evidence to corroborate it, including messages from the Dolphins’ GM.

https://www.nfl.com/news/witness-says-he-heard-dolphins-owner-stephen-ross-offer-ex-head-coach-brian-flor?campaign=Twitter_atn

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Anonymous wrote:It is utterly predictable, but darkly hilarious, that now that the racists cannot defend the NFL’s practices on the merits, they have pivoted to whether it can be sustained as a class action based on a superficial at best understand of class action litigation and the implications for the NFL of it being asserted as a class action. Even if the class isn’t certified, this can do a lot of damage to the NFL in the meantime.

The odds are extremely high that I have litigated more class actions than you have. If you think this is a good candidate for certification, you really do have a lot to learn.

Moreover, is you think discussing the procedural prospects of a case is evidence of racism, I'm not sure there's anything left to discuss.

DP. I think the piece you may be overlooking is that even if class certification is ultimately denied, the class allegations will give Flores' counsel much greater leeway for discovery into the NFL and various teams' hiring practices than they might otherwise be able to get if Flores pursues this solely in his individual capacity. There could be some ugly information about to come about these alleged sham Rooney Rule interviews that not only would be damaging to the NFL as a whole, but also could give grounds for an amended complaint that is far more expansive, both in its allegations and in the teams named as defendants.

You are assuming Flores' goal is to win the lawsuit. I suspect Flores is more interested in seeing meaningful change within the NFL. Those two goals are not the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:It is utterly predictable, but darkly hilarious, that now that the racists cannot defend the NFL’s practices on the merits, they have pivoted to whether it can be sustained as a class action based on a superficial at best understand of class action litigation and the implications for the NFL of it being asserted as a class action. Even if the class isn’t certified, this can do a lot of damage to the NFL in the meantime.

The odds are extremely high that I have litigated more class actions than you have. If you think this is a good candidate for certification, you really do have a lot to learn.

Moreover, is you think discussing the procedural prospects of a case is evidence of racism, I'm not sure there's anything left to discuss.

A skilled attorney would have actually read the post to which they were responding instead of jumping right to such an idiotic response.

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Anonymous wrote:It is utterly predictable, but darkly hilarious, that now that the racists cannot defend the NFL’s practices on the merits, they have pivoted to whether it can be sustained as a class action based on a superficial at best understand of class action litigation and the implications for the NFL of it being asserted as a class action. Even if the class isn’t certified, this can do a lot of damage to the NFL in the meantime.

Read the thread title. Brian Flores LAWSUIT. You don't think that will attract people who want to discuss the merits of a LAWSUIT?

You wanna talk about general NFL racism which is not legally actionable, then start a different thread.

You think racism in employment decisions isn’t legally actionable? 😂

I don't think the decision by the Giants not to hire Flores was racist or implicates NFL hiring practices - ok? Tell me how it does.
Asked but never answered, is Dobell an obviously lesser choice for the position than Flores?

To flip it around, is Flores such an obviously lesser choice than Dobell that he shouldn’t have even gotten a legitimate interview?

If an employer has already made a decision to hire, are they required to keep interviewing?

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Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why the NFL doesn't fix these issues around race/racism. They've probably had more warning bells than a lot of other industries. They are not going to have any customers 10 years from now.

I can't argue the merits of this case, but I'm clear about the damage it will do to the NFL's reputation.

I don't think the Flores is worried about a future job, he's trying to build his legacy as someone who stood up to the NFL. I think its great.

You are kidding? There are many good reasons for "fixing this problem," but that is definitely NOT one of them.

What I'm saying is at least the NFL should be concerned about their future customers. I am Black and understand that NOONE wants to really fix this stuff because its the right thing to do.

And I think what the PP is saying is that the motion that people will stop watching the NFL en masse because of racial disparities in the coaching ranks is far-fetched, to say the least.