Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 19:37     Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
This incident shows that Whoopi hasn't bothered to educate herself about much of the world and raises the question of why she is in a position to have any influence.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 19:36     Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:Why the hell was she allowed back on the show?

And will she be gone tomorrow (hopefully) ??


She'll get a pass.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 19:33     Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone in a clear, non-obfuscatory simply answer the question? Is Jewish a race?i


No, it’s a religion. You can practice it and convert to it. Just like Baptist, catholic, Muslim, etc.


It’s disingenuous to ignore the ethnicity element of it.


To you. Not to me.


To anyone sane - it is disingenous.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 19:29     Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
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Anonymous wrote:I feel if my dna can identify me as Jewish it’s not just a religion.


Then how are people able to convert?


They’re not true Jews, jokes on them. No Jewish mother blood, not Jewish. Duh.


I’ll be sure to tell my friend who converted for her husband and who plan to raise their children in the faith. Converting isn’t real since it’s not a religion and instead a race


Well I have a white friend who married an African American and raise their children in the African American culture (Kwanzaa, etc). That happens all the time with different races. It's called an interracial relationship.


I’m African American aka black and Kwanzaa isn’t part of my culture or any black people I know.


A made up holiday


All the holidays are made up. WTF. Do you think the man from Galilee was born on December 25th.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 18:58     Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:So is a white, German, blue-eyed, limp blonde Jew the same as a Black, Ethiopian, tight-coiled, brown-eyed Jew the same race?


how are these questions allowed to exist on this forum?? Judaism is not a race--it is a religion with very strong ties to ethnicity. Stop referring to Jews as a race. These are both Jews with different ethnic traits. and last time i checked, don't think there are too many german, blue-eyed jews around. hmm wonder why...
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 18:55     Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone in a clear, non-obfuscatory simply answer the question? Is Jewish a race?i


No, it’s a religion. You can practice it and convert to it. Just like Baptist, catholic, Muslim, etc.


It’s disingenuous to ignore the ethnicity element of it.


To you. Not to me.


Are you Jewish? Because no one I know who is Jewish thinks being Jewish is "just a religion." And certainly, none of the antisemites throughout history have considered Judaism/being jewish "just a religion.

So yes, Judaism is a religion and it is much much more. It is a culture, and a genetic community -- it's why I and other Ashkenazi Jews are tested for certain genetic issues when we get pregnant. Many, many Jews are not religious AT ALL and considered themselves Jewish.

Certainly, when antisemites come for us, they are rarely coming on the basis of our religion.

So you are a disingenuous, incurious non-Jewish person who is taking over the real lived experiences of Jews.


Not the PP, but I think if you were to ask any rabbi this question they would say that Judaism is first and foremost a religion that has a strong ethnic identity and a biological inheritance (hence the bloodline to the mother).
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 18:48     Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Anonymous wrote:So is a white, German, blue-eyed, limp blonde Jew the same as a Black, Ethiopian, tight-coiled, brown-eyed Jew the same race?


There are different types of Jews. The first would be Azkhenazi. The second maybe Sephardic or another branch. Still Jews. Still tied by bloodlines.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 18:48     Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
She hasn’t done anything important since she invented that funny cushion named after her
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 18:46     Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
So is a white, German, blue-eyed, limp blonde Jew the same as a Black, Ethiopian, tight-coiled, brown-eyed Jew the same race?
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 18:44     Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
I’m Jewish. I’m also agnostic. But you test my blood and I’m a carrier of things that are directly tied to my heritage as a Jew (Tay-Sachs). So yea, it’s more than a religion.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 18:37     Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone in a clear, non-obfuscatory simply answer the question? Is Jewish a race?i


No, it’s a religion. You can practice it and convert to it. Just like Baptist, catholic, Muslim, etc.


It’s disingenuous to ignore the ethnicity element of it.


To you. Not to me.


Are you Jewish? Because no one I know who is Jewish thinks being Jewish is "just a religion." And certainly, none of the antisemites throughout history have considered Judaism/being jewish "just a religion.

So yes, Judaism is a religion and it is much much more. It is a culture, and a genetic community -- it's why I and other Ashkenazi Jews are tested for certain genetic issues when we get pregnant. Many, many Jews are not religious AT ALL and considered themselves Jewish.

Certainly, when antisemites come for us, they are rarely coming on the basis of our religion.

So you are a disingenuous, incurious non-Jewish person who is taking over the real lived experiences of Jews.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 18:21     Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
It's complicated, and the categories that make sense to in today's discourse in America don't apply. We are an ancestral group with an ancestral religion. That's just different from skin color or which church.

Whoopi Goldberg is one of the world's greatest comedians. She is not a public intellectual. It's good that she revealed a common misconception so we can talk about it. But no, she doesn't actually know what she's talking about here and brings no historical perspective to the table.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 17:59     Subject: Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
Not a race-- Hitler said that to "other them" + stir up hatred.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 17:31     Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone in a clear, non-obfuscatory simply answer the question? Is Jewish a race?i


No, it’s a religion. You can practice it and convert to it. Just like Baptist, catholic, Muslim, etc.


It’s disingenuous to ignore the ethnicity element of it.


I agree and it's true our religion is strongly interrelated with our ethnicity.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 17:28     Subject: Re:Whoopi says the Holocaust was not about race
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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone in a clear, non-obfuscatory simply answer the question? Is Jewish a race?i


No it's an ethnicity.

Race is defined as “a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits.” The term ethnicities is more broadly defined as “large groups of people classed according to common racial, national, tribal, religious, linguistic, or cultural origin or background.

But it's really splitting hairs.


Are you even Jewish? It's a religion.