Anonymous
Post 01/25/2022 11:12     Subject: S/O Can we talk about how bad Lin-Manuel Miranda's music is?
Anonymous wrote:Moana is good. Everything else is crap. And all the people who love We Don't Talk About Bruno have never listened to any Latin music before. It's the most generic, boring song ever.


I listen to some Latin music but can't think of too many that weave a storytelling song with five different lines to all match up at the end. Please suggest what I should listen to.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2022 11:01     Subject: S/O Can we talk about how bad Lin-Manuel Miranda's music is?
Moana is good. Everything else is crap. And all the people who love We Don't Talk About Bruno have never listened to any Latin music before. It's the most generic, boring song ever.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2022 10:59     Subject: S/O Can we talk about how bad Lin-Manuel Miranda's music is?
WHAT
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2022 10:59     Subject: Re:S/O Can we talk about how bad Lin-Manuel Miranda's music is?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Well, it appears that for many: no, you absolutely canNOT talk about disliking LMM’s music, feeling like it all sounds the same or is overly shouty, and you certainly cannot discuss being annoyed by his public persona or finding him cringe. Someone who has known him since he was 5* will come and tell you that your natural reaction is incorrect.

Even in a thread that was created for people to discuss disliking LMM, you are not allowed to talk about disliking LMM. We Don’t Talk About [not liking] Bruno-no-no.

*I do not believe this person knows LMM, I think it’s one of his many obsessive fan girls defending him using extensive, and creepy, knowledge of his biography. This is not how people actually talk about childhood friends who they know well. All people are more complex than what gets presented in a public image and anyone who has known LMM a long time would have a more nuanced take than “OMG he’s always been the sweetest, he loves his wife so much, these are the names of his teachers at his performing arts high school, he will never be me tooed.” Even if those things are true! That’s just… not real.


OK, it’s pretty sad that your reaction to that was “this person must be lying, nice people don’t actually exist.”

There are a ton of people from around here who knew him either from New York or Wesleyan. Seems like he’s a very extroverted guy, and we all know those people who everybody knows. And honestly, PP’s account squares with everything else I’ve heard about his personality. I’ve heard multiple people beef about his work, but not about who he is.

You can talk about whatever you want, but you can’t insist that nobody react to it, and it’s silly to act like you’re being censored in some way if people do so.


+1 to the reply just above. It's so typically DCUM cynical to blast the PP who says he or she knows Miranda. In this area, it's entirely possible for people to have gone to school with him at some point or to have interacted with his family via the campaigns and charities with which they're involved, etc. etc.

Sadly, it's also typically DCUM cynical for someone to start an entire thread about trashing something. Anything. Fine to like or dislike anything, but why expend so much energy on negativity page after page, when the OP could have instead started a thread about...something he or she actually likes and wants to let people know about? Oh, I know; DCUM loves its "I hate this" vents, it's fine to vent, etc. Go for it, venters. But maybe consider focusing your energies on enjoying what you do like, too?
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2022 10:52     Subject: S/O Can we talk about how bad Lin-Manuel Miranda's music is?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes. Only you.


Ha. No, OP. It isn't only you. Many people agree with you, they're just shouted down by the Hamilton-heads who can't bear any criticism.


I was also underwhelmed by Hamilton. Among other things it totally fails the Bechdel test.

I did not know LMM wrote that Bruno song - but when I heard it for the first time this weekend I found it really boring. I thought In The Heights was ok?

I don't object to anyone finding him a genius, or inspiring, or anything at all - and clearly he is very successful and moves a lot of people. I guess I'm just the turd in the punch bowl (again!).


The Bechdel test doesn't really make sense for fictionalized history. I don't think we can blame LMM for the fact that women weren't in the room where it happened.


I mean, this wasn't a documentary that only included shots from certain scenes. It was fictionalized storytelling that included several women, whose entire storylines were about serving their men. They had no agency or characterization outside of their interactions with men. You could 100000% have the women with SOME interests or conversations outside of the men.


Did you catch the title of the musical?

No, for real, since I'm hoping you're more creative than me, what would you have had the Schuyler sisters discuss that wouldn't have something to do with what the men were doing but still feel relevant to the story?
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2022 10:49     Subject: S/O Can we talk about how bad Lin-Manuel Miranda's music is?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes. Only you.


Ha. No, OP. It isn't only you. Many people agree with you, they're just shouted down by the Hamilton-heads who can't bear any criticism.


I was also underwhelmed by Hamilton. Among other things it totally fails the Bechdel test.

I did not know LMM wrote that Bruno song - but when I heard it for the first time this weekend I found it really boring. I thought In The Heights was ok?

I don't object to anyone finding him a genius, or inspiring, or anything at all - and clearly he is very successful and moves a lot of people. I guess I'm just the turd in the punch bowl (again!).


The Bechdel test doesn't really make sense for fictionalized history. I don't think we can blame LMM for the fact that women weren't in the room where it happened.


I mean, this wasn't a documentary that only included shots from certain scenes. It was fictionalized storytelling that included several women, whose entire storylines were about serving their men. They had no agency or characterization outside of their interactions with men. You could 100000% have the women with SOME interests or conversations outside of the men.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2022 10:22     Subject: S/O Can we talk about how bad Lin-Manuel Miranda's music is?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes. Only you.


Ha. No, OP. It isn't only you. Many people agree with you, they're just shouted down by the Hamilton-heads who can't bear any criticism.


I was also underwhelmed by Hamilton. Among other things it totally fails the Bechdel test.

I did not know LMM wrote that Bruno song - but when I heard it for the first time this weekend I found it really boring. I thought In The Heights was ok?

I don't object to anyone finding him a genius, or inspiring, or anything at all - and clearly he is very successful and moves a lot of people. I guess I'm just the turd in the punch bowl (again!).


The Bechdel test doesn't really make sense for fictionalized history. I don't think we can blame LMM for the fact that women weren't in the room where it happened.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2022 09:05     Subject: Re:S/O Can we talk about how bad Lin-Manuel Miranda's music is?
Anonymous wrote:Well, it appears that for many: no, you absolutely canNOT talk about disliking LMM’s music, feeling like it all sounds the same or is overly shouty, and you certainly cannot discuss being annoyed by his public persona or finding him cringe. Someone who has known him since he was 5* will come and tell you that your natural reaction is incorrect.

Even in a thread that was created for people to discuss disliking LMM, you are not allowed to talk about disliking LMM. We Don’t Talk About [not liking] Bruno-no-no.

*I do not believe this person knows LMM, I think it’s one of his many obsessive fan girls defending him using extensive, and creepy, knowledge of his biography. This is not how people actually talk about childhood friends who they know well. All people are more complex than what gets presented in a public image and anyone who has known LMM a long time would have a more nuanced take than “OMG he’s always been the sweetest, he loves his wife so much, these are the names of his teachers at his performing arts high school, he will never be me tooed.” Even if those things are true! That’s just… not real.


OK, it’s pretty sad that your reaction to that was “this person must be lying, nice people don’t actually exist.”

There are a ton of people from around here who knew him either from New York or Wesleyan. Seems like he’s a very extroverted guy, and we all know those people who everybody knows. And honestly, PP’s account squares with everything else I’ve heard about his personality. I’ve heard multiple people beef about his work, but not about who he is.

You can talk about whatever you want, but you can’t insist that nobody react to it, and it’s silly to act like you’re being censored in some way if people do so.
Anonymous
Post 01/24/2022 23:17     Subject: Re:S/O Can we talk about how bad Lin-Manuel Miranda's music is?
Well, it appears that for many: no, you absolutely canNOT talk about disliking LMM’s music, feeling like it all sounds the same or is overly shouty, and you certainly cannot discuss being annoyed by his public persona or finding him cringe. Someone who has known him since he was 5* will come and tell you that your natural reaction is incorrect.

Even in a thread that was created for people to discuss disliking LMM, you are not allowed to talk about disliking LMM. We Don’t Talk About [not liking] Bruno-no-no.

*I do not believe this person knows LMM, I think it’s one of his many obsessive fan girls defending him using extensive, and creepy, knowledge of his biography. This is not how people actually talk about childhood friends who they know well. All people are more complex than what gets presented in a public image and anyone who has known LMM a long time would have a more nuanced take than “OMG he’s always been the sweetest, he loves his wife so much, these are the names of his teachers at his performing arts high school, he will never be me tooed.” Even if those things are true! That’s just… not real.
Anonymous
Post 01/24/2022 22:58     Subject: S/O Can we talk about how bad Lin-Manuel Miranda's music is?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes. Only you.


Ha. No, OP. It isn't only you. Many people agree with you, they're just shouted down by the Hamilton-heads who can't bear any criticism.


I was also underwhelmed by Hamilton. Among other things it totally fails the Bechdel test.

I did not know LMM wrote that Bruno song - but when I heard it for the first time this weekend I found it really boring. I thought In The Heights was ok?

I don't object to anyone finding him a genius, or inspiring, or anything at all - and clearly he is very successful and moves a lot of people. I guess I'm just the turd in the punch bowl (again!).


I would give Bruno another listen. It didn’t stand out to me the first time I watched Encanto but it is so layered and catchy. Even if you don’t like it it really isn’t boring.
Anonymous
Post 01/24/2022 17:03     Subject: S/O Can we talk about how bad Lin-Manuel Miranda's music is?
Anonymous wrote:I’ve know Lin since I was 5 and his “schtick” isn’t an act. He is a super nice guy whose closest friends are ones he made in elementary school who are anything but cool celebrities. He was pretty popular at our artsy HS and was always nice to everyone even when most popular kids weren’t necessarily. He is obsessed with his wife and will never have a real me too problem. He is a guy who always gives credit to the people who helped him along the way (our teachers Ms Ames, Dr Herbert, etc ) and I think remains genuinely astonished that his life has worked out as it has. Whether you love his music or not, attacks on his personality as being fake or whatever, or suggestions that he got actually me tooed, are really off the mark.


That's really nice to hear. I am not personally a fan of the music but I am very impressed that he has created so many, deeply beloved works. I'm glad that he is a genuinely good person, too.
Anonymous
Post 01/24/2022 16:41     Subject: S/O Can we talk about how bad Lin-Manuel Miranda's music is?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ve know Lin since I was 5 and his “schtick” isn’t an act. He is a super nice guy whose closest friends are ones he made in elementary school who are anything but cool celebrities. He was pretty popular at our artsy HS and was always nice to everyone even when most popular kids weren’t necessarily. He is obsessed with his wife and will never have a real me too problem. He is a guy who always gives credit to the people who helped him along the way (our teachers Ms Ames, Dr Herbert, etc ) and I think remains genuinely astonished that his life has worked out as it has. Whether you love his music or not, attacks on his personality as being fake or whatever, or suggestions that he got actually me tooed, are really off the mark.


This is such a nice post and good to know. Not sure why people spend their time hating on people they do not even know. I like how LMM has made stars out of several male + female actors of color who may have not been discovered if it weren't for Hamilton.


Yes, I love this!
Anonymous
Post 01/24/2022 15:31     Subject: Re:S/O Can we talk about how bad Lin-Manuel Miranda's music is?
Anonymous wrote:No we cannot talk about it. Lin-Manuel Miranda is a national treasure.


+1

I can't even listen to the Moana soundtrack without welling up.
Anonymous
Post 01/24/2022 15:29     Subject: Re:S/O Can we talk about how bad Lin-Manuel Miranda's music is?
The only LMM show/music I hated was In the Heights which was the worst show I've ever seen on Broadway.

Otherwise, I love LMM's music.
Anonymous
Post 01/24/2022 15:24     Subject: S/O Can we talk about how bad Lin-Manuel Miranda's music is?
Anonymous wrote:I’ve know Lin since I was 5 and his “schtick” isn’t an act. He is a super nice guy whose closest friends are ones he made in elementary school who are anything but cool celebrities. He was pretty popular at our artsy HS and was always nice to everyone even when most popular kids weren’t necessarily. He is obsessed with his wife and will never have a real me too problem. He is a guy who always gives credit to the people who helped him along the way (our teachers Ms Ames, Dr Herbert, etc ) and I think remains genuinely astonished that his life has worked out as it has. Whether you love his music or not, attacks on his personality as being fake or whatever, or suggestions that he got actually me tooed, are really off the mark.


This is such a nice post and good to know. Not sure why people spend their time hating on people they do not even know. I like how LMM has made stars out of several male + female actors of color who may have not been discovered if it weren't for Hamilton.