Anonymous
01/26/2022 21:23
Subject: VDOE - VMPI is dead? Isn't that illegal?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Again, there was already a trend of students (1) falling off the advanced math track after alg2 in high school and (2) kids having to re-take calculus in college even after passing it in high school anyway.
I would have liked to see data on this, because in my FCPS experience, there were plenty of advanced kids doing perfectly well on the accelerated track. Sure, I'm sure some kids are accelerated too fast, but is that really the norm? I doubt it.
Also, I'll note that as a senior I was advised to flat out by advisors to retake calc in college, regardless of how well one had done, saying it was important to do it over. I got a 5 on the BC exam and I learned the material *way* better than anyone I know who took it when they got to college, and was very glad I ignored the advice to retake calc no matter what. I'd be curious how many kids retaking calc actually needed to.
Your implicit belief that only “advanced” student matter is hateful and tedious, and makes anything else you have to say completely worthless.
Your response to this is a bit baffling. The point is that, if a large number of kids are doing well at a certain pace, why should you get rid of that class/pace because a few here and there don't do well? With that attitude, shouldn't we just call off this whole 'public education' thing because there's a few kids who don't pass/graduate?
Anonymous
01/26/2022 17:26
Subject: VDOE - VMPI is dead? Isn't that illegal?
Anonymous wrote:As a math teacher, I hope he ends it. We were dreading it and many of us were looking into early retirement before the changes took place. It was not good. Parents were in an uproar over this but now that Youngkin chimes in they are for it? You should be rejoicing.
+1
Anonymous
01/26/2022 17:17
Subject: VDOE - VMPI is dead? Isn't that illegal?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But VMPI would have accelerated the masses. The standard algebra/geometry/algebra 2 track was 9/10/11 grade, possibly 9/10/12 if you took AFDA during 11th as a bridge. The proposed sequence is mixed A1/G/A2 in 8/9/10. For a lot of kids, that’s accelerating them 1-2 years.
As a math teacher, I agree that taking calculus as a sophomore is a race to nowhere for a lot of kids. For some though, it’s not terrible. So what if you repeat it in college? You have a foundation to build on. What IS terrible is forcing everyone to have algebra in 8th grade. It’s going to result in massive failures, because you’re taking away prealgebra from the very kids that desperately need another year to process the idea of abstract math.
Not only was VMPI a recipe for failure for many disadvantaged students, it sought to close the educational gap by eliminating high level math for the top students.
Yes, we need to address many problems in public math education. But VMPI was the wrong approach, and it would have made the situation worse.
No, it didn't.
In April 2021, VDOE very clearly stated that school systems could continue to accelerate students and offer advanced options.
Stop lying.
You constantly gaslight by saying this, totally ignoring the fact that the April 2021 statements (and the video you screenshotted from that meeting) were all done as a response to the public uproar over the previous material/town hall meetings where they were quite clear that the goal was all kids, in homogenous classrooms instead of acceleration, at the default pace (ie, Algebra 1 in 9th) until grade 10.
That was one of multiple changes they were considering.
It was very clearly off the table in April 2021.
Anyone still shrieking or ”concerned” about it almost a year later is sus.
DP.
No sorry, PP. it is you who is “sus.”
I agree with the person you responded to.
Ultimately though, VMPI is gone, along with its plan to eliminate higher math in VA high schools. You lost, and education won.
Detracking was off the table since April 2021.
Stop pushing GOP propaganda.
It should have never been on the table.
It took public outrage to take it off the table. Then they respond with an attempt at gas lighting us to say it was never on the table or districts could always do their own thing. That didn't work. Unless there was an unnounced change in the leadership of this project, it was still being run by people who had fully supported it being on the table. Parents understandably do not trust those people.
I can read all about how in theory differentiation in a classroom works great. I can understand the idea behind it. However I can also see how it is done in reality (advanced kids get ignored and often used as tutors), so no I don't trust it.
Separately I also think the plan for mixed topic classes is bad. The majority of curriculum materials separate these topics. What happens to kids who move into or out of VA during those years?
VDOE shared ideas because they were seeking feedback. They wanted to hear from parents and teachers. And after they got the feedback they took it off the table. It's not some great conspiracy.
You can also think blending AGA is not a great idea, but that is not "dumbing down math". Or the other crap that the GOP pushes.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 17:14
Subject: VDOE - VMPI is dead? Isn't that illegal?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:VMPI is gone and its not coming back. What is the motivation of the rabid VMPI defender? It doesn't matter what it was or was not going to do. It doesn't exist any longer.
I hate people pushing lies for political purposes.
The GOP will do all it can to cripple public education in VA. Nice job, suckers.
You are a sore loser. Don’t call it ‘lGOP propaganda”. There is enough bipartisan support for doing away with VMPI. That is obvious on this forum. If you lost consulting $ because VMPI got killed then look for another initiative. This one is dead and not coming back. Don’t hold out hope. You tried but it’s done.
It's "GOP propaganda" when false info is peddled to help Rs win elections.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 11:18
Subject: VDOE - VMPI is dead? Isn't that illegal?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But VMPI would have accelerated the masses. The standard algebra/geometry/algebra 2 track was 9/10/11 grade, possibly 9/10/12 if you took AFDA during 11th as a bridge. The proposed sequence is mixed A1/G/A2 in 8/9/10. For a lot of kids, that’s accelerating them 1-2 years.
As a math teacher, I agree that taking calculus as a sophomore is a race to nowhere for a lot of kids. For some though, it’s not terrible. So what if you repeat it in college? You have a foundation to build on. What IS terrible is forcing everyone to have algebra in 8th grade. It’s going to result in massive failures, because you’re taking away prealgebra from the very kids that desperately need another year to process the idea of abstract math.
Not only was VMPI a recipe for failure for many disadvantaged students, it sought to close the educational gap by eliminating high level math for the top students.
Yes, we need to address many problems in public math education. But VMPI was the wrong approach, and it would have made the situation worse.
No, it didn't.
In April 2021, VDOE very clearly stated that school systems could continue to accelerate students and offer advanced options.
Stop lying.
You constantly gaslight by saying this, totally ignoring the fact that the April 2021 statements (and the video you screenshotted from that meeting) were all done as a response to the public uproar over the previous material/town hall meetings where they were quite clear that the goal was all kids, in homogenous classrooms instead of acceleration, at the default pace (ie, Algebra 1 in 9th) until grade 10.
That was one of multiple changes they were considering.
It was very clearly off the table in April 2021.
Anyone still shrieking or ”concerned” about it almost a year later is sus.
DP.
No sorry, PP. it is you who is “sus.”
I agree with the person you responded to.
Ultimately though, VMPI is gone, along with its plan to eliminate higher math in VA high schools. You lost, and education won.
Detracking was off the table since April 2021.
Stop pushing GOP propaganda.
It should have never been on the table.
It took public outrage to take it off the table. Then they respond with an attempt at gas lighting us to say it was never on the table or districts could always do their own thing. That didn't work. Unless there was an unnounced change in the leadership of this project, it was still being run by people who had fully supported it being on the table. Parents understandably do not trust those people.
I can read all about how in theory differentiation in a classroom works great. I can understand the idea behind it. However I can also see how it is done in reality (advanced kids get ignored and often used as tutors), so no I don't trust it.
Separately I also think the plan for mixed topic classes is bad. The majority of curriculum materials separate these topics. What happens to kids who move into or out of VA during those years?
Anonymous
01/26/2022 10:24
Subject: VDOE - VMPI is dead? Isn't that illegal?
Anonymous wrote:But you believe Youngkin is trying to help public schools?
DP. Killing VMPI helps public schools. So demonstrably yes.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 09:49
Subject: VDOE - VMPI is dead? Isn't that illegal?
But you believe Youngkin is trying to help public schools?
Anonymous
01/26/2022 09:46
Subject: VDOE - VMPI is dead? Isn't that illegal?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:VMPI is gone and its not coming back. What is the motivation of the rabid VMPI defender? It doesn't matter what it was or was not going to do. It doesn't exist any longer.
I hate people pushing lies for political purposes.
The GOP will do all it can to cripple public education in VA. Nice job, suckers.
I'm not a Republican and I didn't vote for Youngkin. But I have teens and I have seen plenty of bait and switch over the years, or them trying to tell us something was wonderful that actually sucked. Lucy Calkins for one. So you'll have to forgive us for not trusting everything they say at face value.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 09:32
Subject: VDOE - VMPI is dead? Isn't that illegal?
Anonymous wrote:As a math teacher, I hope he ends it. We were dreading it and many of us were looking into early retirement before the changes took place. It was not good. Parents were in an uproar over this but now that Youngkin chimes in they are for it? You should be rejoicing.
My very, very liberal neighbor is a fcps math teacher/department head.
She said the exact same thing, that the math departments are dreading it and she and many others would retire/quit if it were implemented.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 09:14
Subject: VDOE - VMPI is dead? Isn't that illegal?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:VMPI is gone and its not coming back. What is the motivation of the rabid VMPI defender? It doesn't matter what it was or was not going to do. It doesn't exist any longer.
I hate people pushing lies for political purposes.
The GOP will do all it can to cripple public education in VA. Nice job, suckers.
You are a sore loser. Don’t call it ‘lGOP propaganda”. There is enough bipartisan support for doing away with VMPI. That is obvious on this forum. If you lost consulting $ because VMPI got killed then look for another initiative. This one is dead and not coming back. Don’t hold out hope. You tried but it’s done.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 08:51
Subject: VDOE - VMPI is dead? Isn't that illegal?
Anonymous wrote:VMPI is gone and its not coming back. What is the motivation of the rabid VMPI defender? It doesn't matter what it was or was not going to do. It doesn't exist any longer.
I hate people pushing lies for political purposes.
The GOP will do all it can to cripple public education in VA. Nice job, suckers.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 08:49
Subject: VDOE - VMPI is dead? Isn't that illegal?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But VMPI would have accelerated the masses. The standard algebra/geometry/algebra 2 track was 9/10/11 grade, possibly 9/10/12 if you took AFDA during 11th as a bridge. The proposed sequence is mixed A1/G/A2 in 8/9/10. For a lot of kids, that’s accelerating them 1-2 years.
As a math teacher, I agree that taking calculus as a sophomore is a race to nowhere for a lot of kids. For some though, it’s not terrible. So what if you repeat it in college? You have a foundation to build on. What IS terrible is forcing everyone to have algebra in 8th grade. It’s going to result in massive failures, because you’re taking away prealgebra from the very kids that desperately need another year to process the idea of abstract math.
Not only was VMPI a recipe for failure for many disadvantaged students, it sought to close the educational gap by eliminating high level math for the top students.
Yes, we need to address many problems in public math education. But VMPI was the wrong approach, and it would have made the situation worse.
No, it didn't.
In April 2021, VDOE very clearly stated that school systems could continue to accelerate students and offer advanced options.
Stop lying.
You constantly gaslight by saying this, totally ignoring the fact that the April 2021 statements (and the video you screenshotted from that meeting) were all done as a response to the public uproar over the previous material/town hall meetings where they were quite clear that the goal was all kids, in homogenous classrooms instead of acceleration, at the default pace (ie, Algebra 1 in 9th) until grade 10.
That was one of multiple changes they were considering.
It was very clearly off the table in April 2021.
Anyone still shrieking or ”concerned” about it almost a year later is sus.
DP.
No sorry, PP. it is you who is “sus.”
I agree with the person you responded to.
Ultimately though, VMPI is gone, along with its plan to eliminate higher math in VA high schools. You lost, and education won.
Detracking was off the table since April 2021.
Stop pushing GOP propaganda.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 08:17
Subject: VDOE - VMPI is dead? Isn't that illegal?
VMPI is gone and its not coming back. What is the motivation of the rabid VMPI defender? It doesn't matter what it was or was not going to do. It doesn't exist any longer.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 08:15
Subject: VDOE - VMPI is dead? Isn't that illegal?
I listed to the public meetings and it was clear their preferred option was no math differentiation until 11th grade. I am a lifelong Democrat but one advantage of having a republican governor is that thos policy is dead and there is zero danger of it coming back.
Anonymous
01/26/2022 07:53
Subject: VDOE - VMPI is dead? Isn't that illegal?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But VMPI would have accelerated the masses. The standard algebra/geometry/algebra 2 track was 9/10/11 grade, possibly 9/10/12 if you took AFDA during 11th as a bridge. The proposed sequence is mixed A1/G/A2 in 8/9/10. For a lot of kids, that’s accelerating them 1-2 years.
As a math teacher, I agree that taking calculus as a sophomore is a race to nowhere for a lot of kids. For some though, it’s not terrible. So what if you repeat it in college? You have a foundation to build on. What IS terrible is forcing everyone to have algebra in 8th grade. It’s going to result in massive failures, because you’re taking away prealgebra from the very kids that desperately need another year to process the idea of abstract math.
Not only was VMPI a recipe for failure for many disadvantaged students, it sought to close the educational gap by eliminating high level math for the top students.
Yes, we need to address many problems in public math education. But VMPI was the wrong approach, and it would have made the situation worse.
No, it didn't.
In April 2021, VDOE very clearly stated that school systems could continue to accelerate students and offer advanced options.
Stop lying.
You constantly gaslight by saying this, totally ignoring the fact that the April 2021 statements (and the video you screenshotted from that meeting) were all done as a response to the public uproar over the previous material/town hall meetings where they were quite clear that the goal was all kids, in homogenous classrooms instead of acceleration, at the default pace (ie, Algebra 1 in 9th) until grade 10.
That was one of multiple changes they were considering.
It was very clearly off the table in April 2021.
Anyone still shrieking or ”concerned” about it almost a year later is sus.
DP.
No sorry, PP. it is you who is “sus.”
I agree with the person you responded to.
Ultimately though, VMPI is gone, along with its plan to eliminate higher math in VA high schools. You lost, and education won.