Anonymous wrote:DC also had the longest school closures in the country. People left so their kids could get an education.

Bingo.

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Anonymous wrote:You're forgetting that DC is a very young place. I know A LOT of young people who left DC to move back in with their parents during the pandemic. There was no reason for them to be there paying high rents when their jobs were virtual and everything was shut down. Some that I know of have come back.

Many, if not most, are never coming back.

As a young person, why would you choose DC where the public schools are abysmal and the entrenched local government dysfunctional?

Because people in their 20s generally don't care about that? Not the ones in DC with graduate degrees who aren't planning on getting married and having kids for quite a while. I know a lot who have already come back.

Sorry buddy, but your personal anecdotes don’t trump the actual data. Your friend who have jobs and pay taxes are the easiest to track and 23,000 of them left the city. Whatever they may or may not care about, that cohort of people are gone.

In the last decade DC gained a net 88,000 people and in one year alone lost a net 20,000. You’re going to need a lot more friend anecdotes to make a significant dent in that.

I live in Richmond, and it feels like all 20k+ moved here. SO many D.C. transplants on my neighborhood!!! Please stop the D.C./NoVa exodus to my area. Richmond is left, but not looney left, and there is a good mix politically. Stay away

DC is hardly looney left. DC is actually pretty conservative. We are not Seattle.

Bwahahaha - that’s hilarious!

Oh wait - you were being serious?!?!

Very serious. You clearly know nothing about DC.

DP. I won't profess to be a DC expert, but I assume the DC Board of Elections knows something about DC. And according to their latest report, 76% of DC registered voters registered as democratic.

That makes DC the *least* conservative part of the US.

However, I agree that DC democrats, in general, are not the militant Marxists that other parts of the country, particularly in the West, regrettably have to deal with. DC area democrats are pragmatic and don't do drastic things. They incrementally inch their way toward their goal to see how things shake out. So refreshing.

^^^DC TAG is paid by Federal taxpayers. And probably most of those freebies you received were distributed Federal grants from the Obama administration.

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Anonymous wrote:You're forgetting that DC is a very young place. I know A LOT of young people who left DC to move back in with their parents during the pandemic. There was no reason for them to be there paying high rents when their jobs were virtual and everything was shut down. Some that I know of have come back.

Many, if not most, are never coming back.

As a young person, why would you choose DC where the public schools are abysmal and the entrenched local government dysfunctional?

My kid got a great education in the "abysmal" public school. Our local government is not dysfunctional. This is not 1988 anymore people. We actually have good city services. As I sit in DC, I have NO problem getting a Covid test. Ask the same question of people in VA and MD.

Eh, there are like 3 decent high schools in DC. Your kid might very well be at one. For the rest of us....the educational outlook is pretty grim. I, like a whole ton of parents, intend to move out of the city before my kid hits middle school, because I can't afford to buy into the in-boundary "good" high school, and the lottery for the other two high schools is...a lottery.

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Anonymous wrote:You're forgetting that DC is a very young place. I know A LOT of young people who left DC to move back in with their parents during the pandemic. There was no reason for them to be there paying high rents when their jobs were virtual and everything was shut down. Some that I know of have come back.

Many, if not most, are never coming back.

As a young person, why would you choose DC where the public schools are abysmal and the entrenched local government dysfunctional?

My kid got a great education in the "abysmal" public school. Our local government is not dysfunctional. This is not 1988 anymore people. We actually have good city services. As I sit in DC, I have NO problem getting a Covid test. Ask the same question of people in VA and MD.

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Anonymous wrote:You're forgetting that DC is a very young place. I know A LOT of young people who left DC to move back in with their parents during the pandemic. There was no reason for them to be there paying high rents when their jobs were virtual and everything was shut down. Some that I know of have come back.

Many, if not most, are never coming back.

As a young person, why would you choose DC where the public schools are abysmal and the entrenched local government dysfunctional?

Because people in their 20s generally don't care about that? Not the ones in DC with graduate degrees who aren't planning on getting married and having kids for quite a while. I know a lot who have already come back.

Sorry buddy, but your personal anecdotes don’t trump the actual data. Your friend who have jobs and pay taxes are the easiest to track and 23,000 of them left the city. Whatever they may or may not care about, that cohort of people are gone.

In the last decade DC gained a net 88,000 people and in one year alone lost a net 20,000. You’re going to need a lot more friend anecdotes to make a significant dent in that.

I live in Richmond, and it feels like all 20k+ moved here. SO many D.C. transplants on my neighborhood!!! Please stop the D.C./NoVa exodus to my area. Richmond is left, but not looney left, and there is a good mix politically. Stay away

DC is hardly looney left. DC is actually pretty conservative. We are not Seattle.

Bwahahaha - that’s hilarious!

Oh wait - you were being serious?!?!

Very serious. You clearly know nothing about DC.

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Anonymous wrote:homicides now the highest in almost 20 years

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/12/31/2021-homicides-dc-rising/

I read through all of the 100+ comments on this POPVille post and 100% of the many people who said they left reported violence as either the #1 cause or one of the principal reasons for leaving.
https://www.popville.com/2021/12/big-population-loss-washington-dc-2021/

DC is not geographically large. People don't have to move very far to find places with more space and less crime that offer easy or reasonable access to the city.

The city has started to slide. There are still some factors out there that can help arrest or even (temporarily) stop the slide. However, without a new approach to dealing with crime or even the public's perception of crime, the slide will only get faster in 2022.

Obviously, the ongoing pandemic will not help. Even if offices and other businesses start to reopen later this year, downtown D.C. will never again see the volume of people and business travelers it saw pre-pandemic. Working patterns have shifted too much.

What is sad is how many DC residents have never experienced high quality city life.

They honestly seem to believe that living in a city means you just accept rampant violent crime, terrible schools, terrible services, green spaces permanently inhabited by drug addicts and the mentally ill... and a city government that treats anyone above the median income as a cash cow to be milked but who is entitled to no other consideration.

This is so true. The DC reddit is the best example of this phenomenon: "just keep your head on a swivel, it's a city, what did you expect?"

It’s the treatment “like a cash cow” that bothers me the most.

I view government as a collective pooling of the citizens' resources to serve the citizens' needs.

All but the destitute should play a part in funding government, and all should expect its services.

I feel that the progressives have increasingly pushed the idea that government is there to serve "equity," which means every program, every dollar spent, etc, has to be directed at a handful of key groups, mostly identity based.

Any middle class or -gasp- UMC or wealthy taxpayer should feel lucky if they receive any services at all from the government they disproportionately fund. I am not arguing services should be provided in proportion to funding, but I -do- actually expect services.

The sad thing is that people actually believe nonsense like you're spewing.

DC gives so much more proportionally to middle and upper middle class people. In just the last couple of years I've received from the DC government:

A $500 check for buying security cameras. (no point in putting up cameras if you can't afford a house)

A $1,800 check for installing a permeable patio, a $200 subsidy on installing rain barrels, and hundreds if not thousands of dollars worth of free landscaping through the Riversmart program (can't get that without owning a house with a yard)

A $500 tax credit for installing a Tesla charger (have to be able to afford an EV) and speaking of which

No excise tax on my Tesla (a savings of about $1,700 compared to if I bought a comparably priced ICE vehicle)

Not to mention they passed laws requiring Pepco to generate an amount of solar power in DC that is completely impossible for them to produce, which means they are forced to buy SSRECs, making DC the hottest market SREC in the nation, meaning any DC resident who owns a home can get tens of thousands of dollars worth of solar panels installed in exchange for selling your SREC rights, or you can pay for the system, keep them, and have your roof actually make you $400 or so every other month.But only if you can afford to own a SFH or rowhouse in DC!

Then there's DC TAG which gives $40,000 to every child, but only if they go to college which middle and upper class people are far more likely to do.

And yet you act like middle class people get nothing at all because why? Because a homeless person can get a few weeks in a dump of a motel? If it's so much better being poor in DC, you're welcome to give me all your money and go start living the life you are so jealous of.

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Anonymous wrote:homicides now the highest in almost 20 years

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/12/31/2021-homicides-dc-rising/

I read through all of the 100+ comments on this POPVille post and 100% of the many people who said they left reported violence as either the #1 cause or one of the principal reasons for leaving.
https://www.popville.com/2021/12/big-population-loss-washington-dc-2021/

DC is not geographically large. People don't have to move very far to find places with more space and less crime that offer easy or reasonable access to the city.

The city has started to slide. There are still some factors out there that can help arrest or even (temporarily) stop the slide. However, without a new approach to dealing with crime or even the public's perception of crime, the slide will only get faster in 2022.

Obviously, the ongoing pandemic will not help. Even if offices and other businesses start to reopen later this year, downtown D.C. will never again see the volume of people and business travelers it saw pre-pandemic. Working patterns have shifted too much.

What is sad is how many DC residents have never experienced high quality city life.

They honestly seem to believe that living in a city means you just accept rampant violent crime, terrible schools, terrible services, green spaces permanently inhabited by drug addicts and the mentally ill... and a city government that treats anyone above the median income as a cash cow to be milked but who is entitled to no other consideration.

This is so true. The DC reddit is the best example of this phenomenon: "just keep your head on a swivel, it's a city, what did you expect?"

It’s the treatment “like a cash cow” that bothers me the most.

I view government as a collective pooling of the citizens' resources to serve the citizens' needs.

All but the destitute should play a part in funding government, and all should expect its services.

I feel that the progressives have increasingly pushed the idea that government is there to serve "equity," which means every program, every dollar spent, etc, has to be directed at a handful of key groups, mostly identity based.

Any middle class or -gasp- UMC or wealthy taxpayer should feel lucky if they receive any services at all from the government they disproportionately fund. I am not arguing services should be provided in proportion to funding, but I -do- actually expect services.

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Anonymous wrote:You're forgetting that DC is a very young place. I know A LOT of young people who left DC to move back in with their parents during the pandemic. There was no reason for them to be there paying high rents when their jobs were virtual and everything was shut down. Some that I know of have come back.

Many, if not most, are never coming back.

As a young person, why would you choose DC where the public schools are abysmal and the entrenched local government dysfunctional?

Why?
1. Fantastic job opportunities, many only available here.
2. High pay.
3. Beautiful architecture
4. Bus & metro system + Zip + Lyft means you can get by without a car
5. Interest in US politics.
6. Two career couples both have lots of job opps in the DMV
7. DC TAG
8. One of America’s few walkable cities
9. Close to beaches, mountains, small towns, NYC
10. Need I go on?
Signed, I once crashed a Mayor Barry cocktail reception

I once worked for Marion. You should have crashed a Barry snort, sniff, and shoot party. Much more fun.

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Anonymous wrote:homicides now the highest in almost 20 years

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/12/31/2021-homicides-dc-rising/

I read through all of the 100+ comments on this POPVille post and 100% of the many people who said they left reported violence as either the #1 cause or one of the principal reasons for leaving.
https://www.popville.com/2021/12/big-population-loss-washington-dc-2021/

DC is not geographically large. People don't have to move very far to find places with more space and less crime that offer easy or reasonable access to the city.

The city has started to slide. There are still some factors out there that can help arrest or even (temporarily) stop the slide. However, without a new approach to dealing with crime or even the public's perception of crime, the slide will only get faster in 2022.

Obviously, the ongoing pandemic will not help. Even if offices and other businesses start to reopen later this year, downtown D.C. will never again see the volume of people and business travelers it saw pre-pandemic. Working patterns have shifted too much.

What is sad is how many DC residents have never experienced high quality city life.

They honestly seem to believe that living in a city means you just accept rampant violent crime, terrible schools, terrible services, green spaces permanently inhabited by drug addicts and the mentally ill... and a city government that treats anyone above the median income as a cash cow to be milked but who is entitled to no other consideration.

This is so true. The DC reddit is the best example of this phenomenon: "just keep your head on a swivel, it's a city, what did you expect?"

It’s the treatment “like a cash cow” that bothers me the most.

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Anonymous wrote:homicides now the highest in almost 20 years

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/12/31/2021-homicides-dc-rising/

I read through all of the 100+ comments on this POPVille post and 100% of the many people who said they left reported violence as either the #1 cause or one of the principal reasons for leaving.
https://www.popville.com/2021/12/big-population-loss-washington-dc-2021/

DC is not geographically large. People don't have to move very far to find places with more space and less crime that offer easy or reasonable access to the city.

The city has started to slide. There are still some factors out there that can help arrest or even (temporarily) stop the slide. However, without a new approach to dealing with crime or even the public's perception of crime, the slide will only get faster in 2022.

Obviously, the ongoing pandemic will not help. Even if offices and other businesses start to reopen later this year, downtown D.C. will never again see the volume of people and business travelers it saw pre-pandemic. Working patterns have shifted too much.

What is sad is how many DC residents have never experienced high quality city life.

They honestly seem to believe that living in a city means you just accept rampant violent crime, terrible schools, terrible services, green spaces permanently inhabited by drug addicts and the mentally ill... and a city government that treats anyone above the median income as a cash cow to be milked but who is entitled to no other consideration.

This is so true. The DC reddit is the best example of this phenomenon: "just keep your head on a swivel, it's a city, what did you expect?"

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Anonymous wrote:You're forgetting that DC is a very young place. I know A LOT of young people who left DC to move back in with their parents during the pandemic. There was no reason for them to be there paying high rents when their jobs were virtual and everything was shut down. Some that I know of have come back.

Many, if not most, are never coming back.

As a young person, why would you choose DC where the public schools are abysmal and the entrenched local government dysfunctional?

Because people in their 20s generally don't care about that? Not the ones in DC with graduate degrees who aren't planning on getting married and having kids for quite a while. I know a lot who have already come back.

Sorry buddy, but your personal anecdotes don’t trump the actual data. Your friend who have jobs and pay taxes are the easiest to track and 23,000 of them left the city. Whatever they may or may not care about, that cohort of people are gone.

In the last decade DC gained a net 88,000 people and in one year alone lost a net 20,000. You’re going to need a lot more friend anecdotes to make a significant dent in that.

I live in Richmond, and it feels like all 20k+ moved here. SO many D.C. transplants on my neighborhood!!! Please stop the D.C./NoVa exodus to my area. Richmond is left, but not looney left, and there is a good mix politically. Stay away

DC is hardly looney left. DC is actually pretty conservative. We are not Seattle.

Bwahahaha - that’s hilarious!

Oh wait - you were being serious?!?!

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Anonymous wrote:You're forgetting that DC is a very young place. I know A LOT of young people who left DC to move back in with their parents during the pandemic. There was no reason for them to be there paying high rents when their jobs were virtual and everything was shut down. Some that I know of have come back.

Many, if not most, are never coming back.

As a young person, why would you choose DC where the public schools are abysmal and the entrenched local government dysfunctional?

Because people in their 20s generally don't care about that? Not the ones in DC with graduate degrees who aren't planning on getting married and having kids for quite a while. I know a lot who have already come back.

Sorry buddy, but your personal anecdotes don’t trump the actual data. Your friend who have jobs and pay taxes are the easiest to track and 23,000 of them left the city. Whatever they may or may not care about, that cohort of people are gone.

In the last decade DC gained a net 88,000 people and in one year alone lost a net 20,000. You’re going to need a lot more friend anecdotes to make a significant dent in that.

I live in Richmond, and it feels like all 20k+ moved here. SO many D.C. transplants on my neighborhood!!! Please stop the D.C./NoVa exodus to my area. Richmond is left, but not looney left, and there is a good mix politically. Stay away

DC is hardly looney left. DC is actually pretty conservative. We are not Seattle.

Plus, you are on DC Urban Moms. Why?

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Anonymous wrote:You're forgetting that DC is a very young place. I know A LOT of young people who left DC to move back in with their parents during the pandemic. There was no reason for them to be there paying high rents when their jobs were virtual and everything was shut down. Some that I know of have come back.

Many, if not most, are never coming back.

As a young person, why would you choose DC where the public schools are abysmal and the entrenched local government dysfunctional?

Because people in their 20s generally don't care about that? Not the ones in DC with graduate degrees who aren't planning on getting married and having kids for quite a while. I know a lot who have already come back.

Sorry buddy, but your personal anecdotes don’t trump the actual data. Your friend who have jobs and pay taxes are the easiest to track and 23,000 of them left the city. Whatever they may or may not care about, that cohort of people are gone.

In the last decade DC gained a net 88,000 people and in one year alone lost a net 20,000. You’re going to need a lot more friend anecdotes to make a significant dent in that.

I live in Richmond, and it feels like all 20k+ moved here. SO many D.C. transplants on my neighborhood!!! Please stop the D.C./NoVa exodus to my area. Richmond is left, but not looney left, and there is a good mix politically. Stay away

DC is hardly looney left. DC is actually pretty conservative. We are not Seattle.

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Anonymous wrote:You're forgetting that DC is a very young place. I know A LOT of young people who left DC to move back in with their parents during the pandemic. There was no reason for them to be there paying high rents when their jobs were virtual and everything was shut down. Some that I know of have come back.

Many, if not most, are never coming back.

As a young person, why would you choose DC where the public schools are abysmal and the entrenched local government dysfunctional?

Because people in their 20s generally don't care about that? Not the ones in DC with graduate degrees who aren't planning on getting married and having kids for quite a while. I know a lot who have already come back.

Sorry buddy, but your personal anecdotes don’t trump the actual data. Your friend who have jobs and pay taxes are the easiest to track and 23,000 of them left the city. Whatever they may or may not care about, that cohort of people are gone.

In the last decade DC gained a net 88,000 people and in one year alone lost a net 20,000. You’re going to need a lot more friend anecdotes to make a significant dent in that.

I live in Richmond, and it feels like all 20k+ moved here. SO many D.C. transplants on my neighborhood!!! Please stop the D.C./NoVa exodus to my area. Richmond is left, but not looney left, and there is a good mix politically. Stay away