Anonymous
12/15/2021 11:46
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They absolutely do. The only kids I know personally who go to Ivys are recruited athletes. (Not in DMV area.)
My boyfriend’s ds is a standout soccer player and going to a school he would never get in otherwise.
I don’t have any judgment about it and probably see it as an overall fine thing because I don’t really believe in entitlement to spots in college.
But there is stigma associated with that on campus. The athletes are viewed as weaker students because they got in because of sports. It worth it to take the admit but just be aware of that.
I don't think they care what the nerds think anyway.
The " I don't care" defense mechanism. It does exist.
This is a silly tangent. The only people who stigmatize athletes as weak students are younger versions of people like OP who are jealous and bitter about athletes being more sought after by colleges. Most people are not like this, and the ones who are are disappointed to find that the majority of athletes do well academically in college. Hopefully this helps them learn the dangers of stereotyping, though I don’t hold out a lot of hope given how many full-grown athlete haters there are on this forum.
Not one poster expressed hatred for athletes.
I personally expressed DIFFERENT aspirations for my child.
That is all. Why is that opinion any less valid than yours?
People have called them dumb, jocks, don’t fit in… so yes since these are all negative judgements, it shows a “hate”.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 11:44
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They absolutely do. The only kids I know personally who go to Ivys are recruited athletes. (Not in DMV area.)
My boyfriend’s ds is a standout soccer player and going to a school he would never get in otherwise.
I don’t have any judgment about it and probably see it as an overall fine thing because I don’t really believe in entitlement to spots in college.
But there is stigma associated with that on campus. The athletes are viewed as weaker students because they got in because of sports. It worth it to take the admit but just be aware of that.
I don't think they care what the nerds think anyway.
The " I don't care" defense mechanism. It does exist.
This is a silly tangent. The only people who stigmatize athletes as weak students are younger versions of people like OP who are jealous and bitter about athletes being more sought after by colleges. Most people are not like this, and the ones who are are disappointed to find that the majority of athletes do well academically in college. Hopefully this helps them learn the dangers of stereotyping, though I don’t hold out a lot of hope given how many full-grown athlete haters there are on this forum.
Not one poster expressed hatred for athletes.
I personally expressed DIFFERENT aspirations for my child.
That is all. Why is that opinion any less valid than yours?
Anonymous
12/15/2021 11:44
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DC's classmate was recruited for a sport and just found out he is deferred. How can that happen? Seems like the school should have told him and the family that it was not looking good.
D3? That's terrible. The coach should have given him some indication this was coming.
Yes, D3. Kid had no idea.
That is unacceptable poor communication. Why did the coach and admissions department indicate the student would be admitted?
This happens all the time. If a more talented "likely admit" becomes available, less talented athletes are pushed down the recruiting ladder. Coaches are granted a finite number of admits. My DD was recruited for two years and then suddenly the coach went cold on her as he had a more talented cadre of gymnasts available and interested in his program.
Ok fine...but was DD told she was a recruit and then not admitted or was she told that the coach had decided on a different recruit? The first is the coach not bring honest for some reason and is bizarre. Why would any coach lie about that?
I’m not PP but coaches recruit for positions but the minute they find a better player they just stop
Talking to you. They should just be honest but they are not.
Am guessing this is what happened here. IDK if the kid would have EDed here but for what he and his parents thought was an offer, especially as he had legacy at a more prestigious (rankings-wise) school.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 11:44
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
It sounds like these kids are not understanding the meaning of the word potential. You need to ask how many recruits are on the list and where in the order you are. The coach will answer this in our experience and then you can understand if you really have a chance or not.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 11:43
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You haven’t figured out that our society values sports over education?
But you can get into a good school with amazing academics and zero athletics, but if you have amazing athletics you still need academics that are far above average.
It's higher EDUCATION...not higher athletics.
Then you don't understand EDUCATION.
I don't give a rats ass if my lawyer or my investment advisor or my doctor can catch a ball. I need their brains...period.
College athlete is still a great proxy for work ethic. There's a reason that they also have an edge when applying to jobs.
This. They can take feedback, work hard, be a teammate, and persevere through adversity. And they have great time management skills, because to get recruited to the best schools they need a strong academic transcript on top of the elite sports skill.
I think it's the time management. Its much easier to have a perfect academic transcript if you have a couple of clubs that take an hour or two a week, but you generally get home before 5:00 and have the entire evening to study and work vs. an athlete who can easily have practice four days a week ranging from an hour to several hours that may be a long drive from home and weekends packed with games and have the expectation of doing strength training, cardio, and skills training outside of practice.
I get that the athlete likes the sport and is good at it and has to manage their time to do it. I have one on that track.
But the kid that wants to use their free time in the pursuit of knowledge and learn to manage time doing that is the one I want for my employee, or advisor or surgeon, etc. But you do you.
I guess you don't know that as a group, surgeons are statistically much more likely to have been college athletes than the regular population. There is a high correlation between surgery and college athletic experience. Go educate yourself.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 11:42
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DC's classmate was recruited for a sport and just found out he is deferred. How can that happen? Seems like the school should have told him and the family that it was not looking good.
D3? That's terrible. The coach should have given him some indication this was coming.
Yes, D3. Kid had no idea.
That is unacceptable poor communication. Why did the coach and admissions department indicate the student would be admitted?
This happens all the time. If a more talented "likely admit" becomes available, less talented athletes are pushed down the recruiting ladder. Coaches are granted a finite number of admits. My DD was recruited for two years and then suddenly the coach went cold on her as he had a more talented cadre of gymnasts available and interested in his program.
Ok fine...but was DD told she was a recruit and then not admitted or was she told that the coach had decided on a different recruit? The first is the coach not bring honest for some reason and is bizarre. Why would any coach lie about that?
I’m not PP but coaches recruit for positions but the minute they find a better player they just stop
Talking to you. They should just be honest but they are not.
If they're honest the kid would keep looking. They want the kid locked up so that they will have them if a better option doesn't come along. There is nothing preventing the kid from being very blunt on text messages and e-mails with the coaching staff. Ask them to guarantee support for their application in exchange for a commitment. If the kid is a good enough recruit, the coach will do it
Anonymous
12/15/2021 11:40
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DC's classmate was recruited for a sport and just found out he is deferred. How can that happen? Seems like the school should have told him and the family that it was not looking good.
D3? That's terrible. The coach should have given him some indication this was coming.
Yes, D3. Kid had no idea.
That is unacceptable poor communication. Why did the coach and admissions department indicate the student would be admitted?
This happens all the time. If a more talented "likely admit" becomes available, less talented athletes are pushed down the recruiting ladder. Coaches are granted a finite number of admits. My DD was recruited for two years and then suddenly the coach went cold on her as he had a more talented cadre of gymnasts available and interested in his program.
Ok fine...but was DD told she was a recruit and then not admitted or was she told that the coach had decided on a different recruit? The first is the coach not bring honest for some reason and is bizarre. Why would any coach lie about that?
Because she was a recruit right up until a better option came along. College athletics is about as cold as you get. Coaches have to win to stay employed and they are willing to screw over potential recruits to do it.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 11:40
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Ok fine...but was DD told she was a recruit and then not admitted or was she told that the coach had decided on a different recruit? The first is the coach not bring honest for some reason and is bizarre. Why would any coach lie about that?
NP here. Depends what you mean by recruiting. Coaches talk to hundreds of players. Does not mean they are committing to them or even "recruiting" them per se. More like giving them a look. Nothing is even final until admitted and committed.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 11:39
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
The coach needs to indicate before the final application whether the recruit is protected through admission or not.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 11:39
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DC's classmate was recruited for a sport and just found out he is deferred. How can that happen? Seems like the school should have told him and the family that it was not looking good.
D3? That's terrible. The coach should have given him some indication this was coming.
Yes, D3. Kid had no idea.
That is unacceptable poor communication. Why did the coach and admissions department indicate the student would be admitted?
This happens all the time. If a more talented "likely admit" becomes available, less talented athletes are pushed down the recruiting ladder. Coaches are granted a finite number of admits. My DD was recruited for two years and then suddenly the coach went cold on her as he had a more talented cadre of gymnasts available and interested in his program.
Ok fine...but was DD told she was a recruit and then not admitted or was she told that the coach had decided on a different recruit? The first is the coach not bring honest for some reason and is bizarre. Why would any coach lie about that?
I’m not PP but coaches recruit for positions but the minute they find a better player they just stop
Talking to you. They should just be honest but they are not.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 11:38
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They absolutely do. The only kids I know personally who go to Ivys are recruited athletes. (Not in DMV area.)
My boyfriend’s ds is a standout soccer player and going to a school he would never get in otherwise.
I don’t have any judgment about it and probably see it as an overall fine thing because I don’t really believe in entitlement to spots in college.
But there is stigma associated with that on campus. The athletes are viewed as weaker students because they got in because of sports. It worth it to take the admit but just be aware of that.
I don't think they care what the nerds think anyway.
The " I don't care" defense mechanism. It does exist.
This is a silly tangent. The only people who stigmatize athletes as weak students are younger versions of people like OP who are jealous and bitter about athletes being more sought after by colleges. Most people are not like this, and the ones who are are disappointed to find that the majority of athletes do well academically in college. Hopefully this helps them learn the dangers of stereotyping, though I don’t hold out a lot of hope given how many full-grown athlete haters there are on this forum.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 11:37
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DC's classmate was recruited for a sport and just found out he is deferred. How can that happen? Seems like the school should have told him and the family that it was not looking good.
D3? That's terrible. The coach should have given him some indication this was coming.
Yes, D3. Kid had no idea.
That is unacceptable poor communication. Why did the coach and admissions department indicate the student would be admitted?
This happens all the time. If a more talented "likely admit" becomes available, less talented athletes are pushed down the recruiting ladder. Coaches are granted a finite number of admits. My DD was recruited for two years and then suddenly the coach went cold on her as he had a more talented cadre of gymnasts available and interested in his program.
The amount of coaches that love bomb players then ghost them is insane.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 11:37
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DC's classmate was recruited for a sport and just found out he is deferred. How can that happen? Seems like the school should have told him and the family that it was not looking good.
D3? That's terrible. The coach should have given him some indication this was coming.
Yes, D3. Kid had no idea.
That is unacceptable poor communication. Why did the coach and admissions department indicate the student would be admitted?
This happens all the time. If a more talented "likely admit" becomes available, less talented athletes are pushed down the recruiting ladder. Coaches are granted a finite number of admits. My DD was recruited for two years and then suddenly the coach went cold on her as he had a more talented cadre of gymnasts available and interested in his program.
Ok fine...but was DD told she was a recruit and then not admitted or was she told that the coach had decided on a different recruit? The first is the coach not bring honest for some reason and is bizarre. Why would any coach lie about that?
Anonymous
12/15/2021 11:31
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Bunch of stupid idiots. It's all about $$$. Revenue sports bring to the school via sponsors, TV, ads...etc. Schools with good sports teams will get more apps (and up the ranking). Athletics can be dumb as doorknobs but they still bring $.
That's only true for a small minority of programs. Even with revenue sports, most DI football teams lose money. NESAC schools probably have the highest concentration of student athletes (aside from service academies), and I challenge you to find any source of revenue associated with Bowdoin field hockey.
My understanding is that athletes are more likely to donate to their alma mater than any other alum demographic.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 11:31
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DC's classmate was recruited for a sport and just found out he is deferred. How can that happen? Seems like the school should have told him and the family that it was not looking good.
D3? That's terrible. The coach should have given him some indication this was coming.
Yes, D3. Kid had no idea.
That is unacceptable poor communication. Why did the coach and admissions department indicate the student would be admitted?
This happens all the time. If a more talented "likely admit" becomes available, less talented athletes are pushed down the recruiting ladder. Coaches are granted a finite number of admits. My DD was recruited for two years and then suddenly the coach went cold on her as he had a more talented cadre of gymnasts available and interested in his program.