Anonymous wrote:Years ago, the ND student government sent letters to Northwestern and the University of Chicago asking to form a Midwest Ivy League. The NU and UC student bodies had the tact to not respond, but it gives you a sense for where Notre Dame sits on the hierarchy and how they perceive (and want to perceive) themselves.

Anonymous wrote:Years ago, the ND student government sent letters to Northwestern and the University of Chicago asking to form a Midwest Ivy League. The NU and UC student bodies had the tact to not respond, but it gives you a sense for where Notre Dame sits on the hierarchy and how they perceive (and want to perceive) themselves.

Anonymous wrote:Years ago, the ND student government sent letters to Northwestern and the University of Chicago asking to form a Midwest Ivy League. The NU and UC student bodies had the tact to not respond, but it gives you a sense for where Notre Dame sits on the hierarchy and how they perceive (and want to perceive) themselves.

Anonymous wrote:Years ago, the ND student government sent letters to Northwestern and the University of Chicago asking to form a Midwest Ivy League. The NU and UC student bodies had the tact to not respond, but it gives you a sense for where Notre Dame sits on the hierarchy and how they perceive (and want to perceive) themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:ND's acceptance rate is higher when compared to peers.

Marginally. It was 14 percent at ND, 12 at Georgetown, 9 at Rice and 21 at UVA. It’s also had a higher yield that any of these. You reach a point where it doesn’t matter.

Actually after the waitlist games ,it ( and Vanderbilt) are notoriously known for, it's 15%. Also, the yeild is higher because they have less applicants.
On topic ND is the second best religiously affiliated school in the country. Considering both us news and WSJ.

That's not how yield works, idiot. They have a higher yield because it's more of a "destination" school than the others. Meaning it's a first choice for more of its applicants than other schools in its peer group. We've been alluding to this for the whole thread.

As for your claim that ND plays a "waiting list" game, you might want to google that. You have to thrown the last two admissions cycles out the window because of the pandemic. For example, in 2020 nearly half of Wash U's entering class was admitted off the wait list. According to the Common Data Set for ND, before the pandemic it never admitted more than 5 percent of incoming students from the wait list and in several recent years it didn't take anyone from the wait list at all.

You're right about Vanderbilt, though. It looks like they routinely take quite a few applicants from the WL.

The point is out of the peer schools it's probably the easiest to get into. Vandy, Rice, Emory, WashU, Georgetown, Cornell all have lower acceptance rates. No UVA isn't a peer school.

Higher acceptance rates don't necessarily mean a school is easier to get into. What matters are the stats of admitted students. ND's stats compare very well with Georgetown and Emory at a minimum.

In the top 20 schools stats are just part of the picture. You can get into HYPSM with the same stats as the t25 schools, but it's what you have beyond that that matters. I think for schools that rank lower than the T30 or so, it's meaningful to compare admitted students stats rather than acceptance rates, but among the top 30 it's not mainly about higher stats after you've gotten a 1450 or whatever. After that --acceptance rate tells you more because the lower the acceptance rate is the more you have to shine in some other way--through your achievements, your ECs beyond stats and grades (or legacy or donor of course!) I think for schools in the 30-50 range it's far more important to look at stats because some schools are ranked high with not as strong of students, they are just popular, whereas other schools have students with far higher stats but also higher acceptance rates because they are more niche.

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Anonymous wrote:ND's acceptance rate is higher when compared to peers.

Marginally. It was 14 percent at ND, 12 at Georgetown, 9 at Rice and 21 at UVA. It’s also had a higher yield that any of these. You reach a point where it doesn’t matter.

Actually after the waitlist games ,it ( and Vanderbilt) are notoriously known for, it's 15%. Also, the yeild is higher because they have less applicants.
On topic ND is the second best religiously affiliated school in the country. Considering both us news and WSJ.

That's not how yield works, idiot. They have a higher yield because it's more of a "destination" school than the others. Meaning it's a first choice for more of its applicants than other schools in its peer group. We've been alluding to this for the whole thread.

As for your claim that ND plays a "waiting list" game, you might want to google that. You have to thrown the last two admissions cycles out the window because of the pandemic. For example, in 2020 nearly half of Wash U's entering class was admitted off the wait list. According to the Common Data Set for ND, before the pandemic it never admitted more than 5 percent of incoming students from the wait list and in several recent years it didn't take anyone from the wait list at all.

You're right about Vanderbilt, though. It looks like they routinely take quite a few applicants from the WL.

The point is out of the peer schools it's probably the easiest to get into. Vandy, Rice, Emory, WashU, Georgetown, Cornell all have lower acceptance rates. No UVA isn't a peer school.

Higher acceptance rates don't necessarily mean a school is easier to get into. What matters are the stats of admitted students. ND's stats compare very well with Georgetown and Emory at a minimum.

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Anonymous wrote:ND's acceptance rate is higher when compared to peers.

Marginally. It was 14 percent at ND, 12 at Georgetown, 9 at Rice and 21 at UVA. It’s also had a higher yield that any of these. You reach a point where it doesn’t matter.

Actually after the waitlist games ,it ( and Vanderbilt) are notoriously known for, it's 15%. Also, the yeild is higher because they have less applicants.
On topic ND is the second best religiously affiliated school in the country. Considering both us news and WSJ.

That's not how yield works, idiot. They have a higher yield because it's more of a "destination" school than the others. Meaning it's a first choice for more of its applicants than other schools in its peer group. We've been alluding to this for the whole thread.

As for your claim that ND plays a "waiting list" game, you might want to google that. You have to thrown the last two admissions cycles out the window because of the pandemic. For example, in 2020 nearly half of Wash U's entering class was admitted off the wait list. According to the Common Data Set for ND, before the pandemic it never admitted more than 5 percent of incoming students from the wait list and in several recent years it didn't take anyone from the wait list at all.

You're right about Vanderbilt, though. It looks like they routinely take quite a few applicants from the WL.

The point is out of the peer schools it's probably the easiest to get into. Vandy, Rice, Emory, WashU, Georgetown, Cornell all have lower acceptance rates. No UVA isn't a peer school.

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Anonymous wrote:ND's acceptance rate is higher when compared to peers.

Marginally. It was 14 percent at ND, 12 at Georgetown, 9 at Rice and 21 at UVA. It’s also had a higher yield that any of these. You reach a point where it doesn’t matter.

Actually after the waitlist games ,it ( and Vanderbilt) are notoriously known for, it's 15%. Also, the yeild is higher because they have less applicants.
On topic ND is the second best religiously affiliated school in the country. Considering both us news and WSJ.

That's not how yield works, idiot. They have a higher yield because it's more of a "destination" school than the others. Meaning it's a first choice for more of its applicants than other schools in its peer group. We've been alluding to this for the whole thread.

As for your claim that ND plays a "waiting list" game, you might want to google that. You have to thrown the last two admissions cycles out the window because of the pandemic. For example, in 2020 nearly half of Wash U's entering class was admitted off the wait list. According to the Common Data Set for ND, before the pandemic it never admitted more than 5 percent of incoming students from the wait list and in several recent years it didn't take anyone from the wait list at all.

You're right about Vanderbilt, though. It looks like they routinely take quite a few applicants from the WL.

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Anonymous wrote:You people watch way too many movies and I’m guessing a lot of you are typical first or second gen strivers living in DMV who’ve clearly never attended an Ivy. They’re not full of rich and pretty old money wasps who can’t wait to invite your unwashed lower rung teen into their high caste lifestyle. And an Ivy BA is not a golden ticket to a plum gig making a boatload of money.

Notre Dame’s campus culture isn’t perfect, but it’s the purest and most pleasant in the top 30 or so, that’s for sure. For a very smart Catholic kid, there isn’t a better place to spend age 18 to 22 at — making friends for life and likely meeting a spouse along the way.

What a load of garbage. ND’s campus is full of kids raised in conservative homes who get to college and then swear, drink and fornicate like kids at any other school. In no sense is it “purer” than any other school - and certainly being around a bunch of old priests isn’t especially pleasant, either.

Uh, are ND students and grads more likely to say something like "the campus culture is the most pure"? Because if so, yuck, I will steer my kid away from this school. That's a weird and gross way to describe culture, especially when you're talking about a school with a very Catholic (and white) culture. Just... no.