Anonymous wrote:You SY+whatever people need to realize that the vast majority of kids who play club soccer aren't doing it to be recruited. Their parents want them to play with kids their own age. They don't want to be forced to play up just because you want to hang on to some advantage you gained by redshirting your kid a school year in hopes they'd be better at sports.

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Do your calculation for misalignment.

🙄 There will be misalignment for either date. The only difference is that one side has a CHOICE model and the other side is TRAPPED. If an August birthdate in a 9/1 state is a late bloomer it is a better development solution to potentially play with youngers for a few years and then CHOOSE to play up with grade. It is not difficult. So give 70% * 1/12 a choice model or FORCE 30% * 1/12 to be trapped and lose half an 8th grade season, be off the recruiting calendar and have to be on a brand new team their senior year.

So there is the calculation. I can try to use different words is this is difficult to understand…………

And this is where the + comes in it solves all misalignment except for extreme cases of holding your kid back. Why are you so against a system that will actually solve the problem, instead of creating another.

Because it is unnecessary and adds unneeded complexity to an already disorganized ecosystem. We don’t need to build a tax code to solve for every eventuality.

But a better reason is that it is NEVER going to happen so why spend any energy on it in the first place.

You have explained and explained and explained your thoughts. Nobody here doesn’t understand your position. They just don’t like it, or they don’t think it will happen or find you so annoying that you continue to beat the dead horse that even if they may have supported your idea originally they don’t now.

SY+30 is needed to address all Aug birthday issues that will come up with an 8/1 cutoff.

Ignore it all you want. But everyone else knows that there will be issues. Might as well solve them now.

There are ~3,000,000 kids playing soccer in the US. 1/10th of 1% would be 3000 kids.

What issues do you see, other than August birthdays, which isn’t really an issue with an 8/1 date because those kids can choose, that would impact 3000+ kids?

Hope there are a ton if you are going to ask 10000 clubs to build a confirmation system to proof grade every year and then monitor it as well as the inevitable home school issues or state to state transfers, etc etc.

Bla bla bla...

There have been several posts showing how grade verification can easily be implemented.

Such a loser.

There have been several posts showing how grade verification can't easily be implemented. Leagues needed 20 months to move the age cutoff a simple 120-150 days, setting up a grade verification system to determine if students were held back a grade when other kids with their birthday went to school on time and therefore should be ineligible to play with their actual grade is 5 bridges too far for youth soccer. Especially considering it would hit only about 17July born kids in the country.

Because you are over complicating it, doesn't mean it is complicated. It doesn't matter if the August or sept for that matter were held back in a state like VA with a 9/30 date. All that matters is that you meet the condition of age verification and grade enrolled in. How that happened does not matter that's just being ridiculous.

The simplest response to all of this is simply that the people that live and breathe this issue every day (club owners, BOD's, DOC's, Directors, USYS, AYSO, US Soccer, etc etc) have decided NOT to do it. So either you are vastly superior in your knowledge and operational acumen or maybe, just maybe, it is harder than you think. If your solution is as elegant and risk free as you seem to think it is, why, do you think, have literally all of the soccer clubs/organizations not implemented it? Just because they are lazy? Stupid? Something else?

Is this your justification??? All those you mentioned are why we wound up with the BY registration system in the first place. Now we are reverting back, is it better than BY yes! Could it be better also yes! If the change is simply reverting back to 8/1, then yes they are all idiots because that alone should not have taken 20 months.

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Do your calculation for misalignment.

🙄 There will be misalignment for either date. The only difference is that one side has a CHOICE model and the other side is TRAPPED. If an August birthdate in a 9/1 state is a late bloomer it is a better development solution to potentially play with youngers for a few years and then CHOOSE to play up with grade. It is not difficult. So give 70% * 1/12 a choice model or FORCE 30% * 1/12 to be trapped and lose half an 8th grade season, be off the recruiting calendar and have to be on a brand new team their senior year.

So there is the calculation. I can try to use different words is this is difficult to understand…………

And this is where the + comes in it solves all misalignment except for extreme cases of holding your kid back. Why are you so against a system that will actually solve the problem, instead of creating another.

Because it is unnecessary and adds unneeded complexity to an already disorganized ecosystem. We don’t need to build a tax code to solve for every eventuality.

But a better reason is that it is NEVER going to happen so why spend any energy on it in the first place.

You have explained and explained and explained your thoughts. Nobody here doesn’t understand your position. They just don’t like it, or they don’t think it will happen or find you so annoying that you continue to beat the dead horse that even if they may have supported your idea originally they don’t now.

SY+30 is needed to address all Aug birthday issues that will come up with an 8/1 cutoff.

Ignore it all you want. But everyone else knows that there will be issues. Might as well solve them now.

There are ~3,000,000 kids playing soccer in the US. 1/10th of 1% would be 3000 kids.

What issues do you see, other than August birthdays, which isn’t really an issue with an 8/1 date because those kids can choose, that would impact 3000+ kids?

Hope there are a ton if you are going to ask 10000 clubs to build a confirmation system to proof grade every year and then monitor it as well as the inevitable home school issues or state to state transfers, etc etc.

Bla bla bla...

There have been several posts showing how grade verification can easily be implemented.

Such a loser.

There have been several posts showing how grade verification can't easily be implemented. Leagues needed 20 months to move the age cutoff a simple 120-150 days, setting up a grade verification system to determine if students were held back a grade when other kids with their birthday went to school on time and therefore should be ineligible to play with their actual grade is 5 bridges too far for youth soccer. Especially considering it would hit only about 17July born kids in the country.

Because you are over complicating it, doesn't mean it is complicated. It doesn't matter if the August or sept for that matter were held back in a state like VA with a 9/30 date. All that matters is that you meet the condition of age verification and grade enrolled in. How that happened does not matter that's just being ridiculous.

The simplest response to all of this is simply that the people that live and breathe this issue every day (club owners, BOD's, DOC's, Directors, USYS, AYSO, US Soccer, etc etc) have decided NOT to do it. So either you are vastly superior in your knowledge and operational acumen or maybe, just maybe, it is harder than you think. If your solution is as elegant and risk free as you seem to think it is, why, do you think, have literally all of the soccer clubs/organizations not implemented it? Just because they are lazy? Stupid? Something else?

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Do your calculation for misalignment.

🙄 There will be misalignment for either date. The only difference is that one side has a CHOICE model and the other side is TRAPPED. If an August birthdate in a 9/1 state is a late bloomer it is a better development solution to potentially play with youngers for a few years and then CHOOSE to play up with grade. It is not difficult. So give 70% * 1/12 a choice model or FORCE 30% * 1/12 to be trapped and lose half an 8th grade season, be off the recruiting calendar and have to be on a brand new team their senior year.

So there is the calculation. I can try to use different words is this is difficult to understand…………

And this is where the + comes in it solves all misalignment except for extreme cases of holding your kid back. Why are you so against a system that will actually solve the problem, instead of creating another.

Because it is unnecessary and adds unneeded complexity to an already disorganized ecosystem. We don’t need to build a tax code to solve for every eventuality.

But a better reason is that it is NEVER going to happen so why spend any energy on it in the first place.

You have explained and explained and explained your thoughts. Nobody here doesn’t understand your position. They just don’t like it, or they don’t think it will happen or find you so annoying that you continue to beat the dead horse that even if they may have supported your idea originally they don’t now.

SY+30 is needed to address all Aug birthday issues that will come up with an 8/1 cutoff.

Ignore it all you want. But everyone else knows that there will be issues. Might as well solve them now.

There are ~3,000,000 kids playing soccer in the US. 1/10th of 1% would be 3000 kids.

What issues do you see, other than August birthdays, which isn’t really an issue with an 8/1 date because those kids can choose, that would impact 3000+ kids?

Hope there are a ton if you are going to ask 10000 clubs to build a confirmation system to proof grade every year and then monitor it as well as the inevitable home school issues or state to state transfers, etc etc.

Bla bla bla...

There have been several posts showing how grade verification can easily be implemented.

Such a loser.

There have been several posts showing how grade verification can't easily be implemented. Leagues needed 20 months to move the age cutoff a simple 120-150 days, setting up a grade verification system to determine if students were held back a grade when other kids with their birthday went to school on time and therefore should be ineligible to play with their actual grade is 5 bridges too far for youth soccer. Especially considering it would hit only about 17July born kids in the country.

Because you are over complicating it, doesn't mean it is complicated. It doesn't matter if the August or sept for that matter were held back in a state like VA with a 9/30 date. All that matters is that you meet the condition of age verification and grade enrolled in. How that happened does not matter that's just being ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Do your calculation for misalignment.

🙄 There will be misalignment for either date. The only difference is that one side has a CHOICE model and the other side is TRAPPED. If an August birthdate in a 9/1 state is a late bloomer it is a better development solution to potentially play with youngers for a few years and then CHOOSE to play up with grade. It is not difficult. So give 70% * 1/12 a choice model or FORCE 30% * 1/12 to be trapped and lose half an 8th grade season, be off the recruiting calendar and have to be on a brand new team their senior year.

So there is the calculation. I can try to use different words is this is difficult to understand…………

And this is where the + comes in it solves all misalignment except for extreme cases of holding your kid back. Why are you so against a system that will actually solve the problem, instead of creating another.

Because it is unnecessary and adds unneeded complexity to an already disorganized ecosystem. We don’t need to build a tax code to solve for every eventuality.

But a better reason is that it is NEVER going to happen so why spend any energy on it in the first place.

You have explained and explained and explained your thoughts. Nobody here doesn’t understand your position. They just don’t like it, or they don’t think it will happen or find you so annoying that you continue to beat the dead horse that even if they may have supported your idea originally they don’t now.

SY+30 is needed to address all Aug birthday issues that will come up with an 8/1 cutoff.

Ignore it all you want. But everyone else knows that there will be issues. Might as well solve them now.

There are ~3,000,000 kids playing soccer in the US. 1/10th of 1% would be 3000 kids.

What issues do you see, other than August birthdays, which isn’t really an issue with an 8/1 date because those kids can choose, that would impact 3000+ kids?

Hope there are a ton if you are going to ask 10000 clubs to build a confirmation system to proof grade every year and then monitor it as well as the inevitable home school issues or state to state transfers, etc etc.

Bla bla bla...

There have been several posts showing how grade verification can easily be implemented.

Such a loser.

There have been several posts showing how grade verification can't easily be implemented. Leagues needed 20 months to move the age cutoff a simple 120-150 days, setting up a grade verification system to determine if students were held back a grade when other kids with their birthday went to school on time and therefore should be ineligible to play with their actual grade is 5 bridges too far for youth soccer. Especially considering it would hit only about 17July born kids in the country.

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Do your calculation for misalignment.

🙄 There will be misalignment for either date. The only difference is that one side has a CHOICE model and the other side is TRAPPED. If an August birthdate in a 9/1 state is a late bloomer it is a better development solution to potentially play with youngers for a few years and then CHOOSE to play up with grade. It is not difficult. So give 70% * 1/12 a choice model or FORCE 30% * 1/12 to be trapped and lose half an 8th grade season, be off the recruiting calendar and have to be on a brand new team their senior year.

So there is the calculation. I can try to use different words is this is difficult to understand…………

And this is where the + comes in it solves all misalignment except for extreme cases of holding your kid back. Why are you so against a system that will actually solve the problem, instead of creating another.

Because it is unnecessary and adds unneeded complexity to an already disorganized ecosystem. We don’t need to build a tax code to solve for every eventuality.

But a better reason is that it is NEVER going to happen so why spend any energy on it in the first place.

You have explained and explained and explained your thoughts. Nobody here doesn’t understand your position. They just don’t like it, or they don’t think it will happen or find you so annoying that you continue to beat the dead horse that even if they may have supported your idea originally they don’t now.

SY+30 is needed to address all Aug birthday issues that will come up with an 8/1 cutoff.

Ignore it all you want. But everyone else knows that there will be issues. Might as well solve them now.

There are ~3,000,000 kids playing soccer in the US. 1/10th of 1% would be 3000 kids.

What issues do you see, other than August birthdays, which isn’t really an issue with an 8/1 date because those kids can choose, that would impact 3000+ kids?

Hope there are a ton if you are going to ask 10000 clubs to build a confirmation system to proof grade every year and then monitor it as well as the inevitable home school issues or state to state transfers, etc etc.

Bla bla bla...

There have been several posts showing how grade verification can easily be implemented.

Such a loser.

Are you a laid off consultant? They seem to specialize in developing solutions to non existent problems. I guess there is good money in that. Or maybe you are a laid off coder that wants to corner the market in the newly discovered grade verification database genre. 😂

You really believe it's only one person. 🤣🤣🤣

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Do your calculation for misalignment.

🙄 There will be misalignment for either date. The only difference is that one side has a CHOICE model and the other side is TRAPPED. If an August birthdate in a 9/1 state is a late bloomer it is a better development solution to potentially play with youngers for a few years and then CHOOSE to play up with grade. It is not difficult. So give 70% * 1/12 a choice model or FORCE 30% * 1/12 to be trapped and lose half an 8th grade season, be off the recruiting calendar and have to be on a brand new team their senior year.

So there is the calculation. I can try to use different words is this is difficult to understand…………

And this is where the + comes in it solves all misalignment except for extreme cases of holding your kid back. Why are you so against a system that will actually solve the problem, instead of creating another.

Because it is unnecessary and adds unneeded complexity to an already disorganized ecosystem. We don’t need to build a tax code to solve for every eventuality.

But a better reason is that it is NEVER going to happen so why spend any energy on it in the first place.

You have explained and explained and explained your thoughts. Nobody here doesn’t understand your position. They just don’t like it, or they don’t think it will happen or find you so annoying that you continue to beat the dead horse that even if they may have supported your idea originally they don’t now.

SY+30 is needed to address all Aug birthday issues that will come up with an 8/1 cutoff.

Ignore it all you want. But everyone else knows that there will be issues. Might as well solve them now.

There are ~3,000,000 kids playing soccer in the US. 1/10th of 1% would be 3000 kids.

What issues do you see, other than August birthdays, which isn’t really an issue with an 8/1 date because those kids can choose, that would impact 3000+ kids?

Hope there are a ton if you are going to ask 10000 clubs to build a confirmation system to proof grade every year and then monitor it as well as the inevitable home school issues or state to state transfers, etc etc.

Bla bla bla...

There have been several posts showing how grade verification can easily be implemented.

Such a loser.

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Do your calculation for misalignment.

🙄 There will be misalignment for either date. The only difference is that one side has a CHOICE model and the other side is TRAPPED. If an August birthdate in a 9/1 state is a late bloomer it is a better development solution to potentially play with youngers for a few years and then CHOOSE to play up with grade. It is not difficult. So give 70% * 1/12 a choice model or FORCE 30% * 1/12 to be trapped and lose half an 8th grade season, be off the recruiting calendar and have to be on a brand new team their senior year.

So there is the calculation. I can try to use different words is this is difficult to understand…………

And this is where the + comes in it solves all misalignment except for extreme cases of holding your kid back. Why are you so against a system that will actually solve the problem, instead of creating another.

Because it is unnecessary and adds unneeded complexity to an already disorganized ecosystem. We don’t need to build a tax code to solve for every eventuality.

But a better reason is that it is NEVER going to happen so why spend any energy on it in the first place.

You have explained and explained and explained your thoughts. Nobody here doesn’t understand your position. They just don’t like it, or they don’t think it will happen or find you so annoying that you continue to beat the dead horse that even if they may have supported your idea originally they don’t now.

SY+30 is needed to address all Aug birthday issues that will come up with an 8/1 cutoff.

Ignore it all you want. But everyone else knows that there will be issues. Might as well solve them now.

There are ~3,000,000 kids playing soccer in the US. 1/10th of 1% would be 3000 kids.

What issues do you see, other than August birthdays, which isn’t really an issue with an 8/1 date because those kids can choose, that would impact 3000+ kids?

Hope there are a ton if you are going to ask 10000 clubs to build a confirmation system to proof grade every year and then monitor it as well as the inevitable home school issues or state to state transfers, etc etc.

Bla bla bla...

There have been several posts showing how grade verification can easily be implemented.

Such a loser.

Are you a laid off consultant? They seem to specialize in developing solutions to non existent problems. I guess there is good money in that. Or maybe you are a laid off coder that wants to corner the market in the newly discovered grade verification database genre. 😂

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Do your calculation for misalignment.

🙄 There will be misalignment for either date. The only difference is that one side has a CHOICE model and the other side is TRAPPED. If an August birthdate in a 9/1 state is a late bloomer it is a better development solution to potentially play with youngers for a few years and then CHOOSE to play up with grade. It is not difficult. So give 70% * 1/12 a choice model or FORCE 30% * 1/12 to be trapped and lose half an 8th grade season, be off the recruiting calendar and have to be on a brand new team their senior year.

So there is the calculation. I can try to use different words is this is difficult to understand…………

And this is where the + comes in it solves all misalignment except for extreme cases of holding your kid back. Why are you so against a system that will actually solve the problem, instead of creating another.

Because it is unnecessary and adds unneeded complexity to an already disorganized ecosystem. We don’t need to build a tax code to solve for every eventuality.

But a better reason is that it is NEVER going to happen so why spend any energy on it in the first place.

You have explained and explained and explained your thoughts. Nobody here doesn’t understand your position. They just don’t like it, or they don’t think it will happen or find you so annoying that you continue to beat the dead horse that even if they may have supported your idea originally they don’t now.

SY+30 is needed to address all Aug birthday issues that will come up with an 8/1 cutoff.

Ignore it all you want. But everyone else knows that there will be issues. Might as well solve them now.

There are ~3,000,000 kids playing soccer in the US. 1/10th of 1% would be 3000 kids.

What issues do you see, other than August birthdays, which isn’t really an issue with an 8/1 date because those kids can choose, that would impact 3000+ kids?

Hope there are a ton if you are going to ask 10000 clubs to build a confirmation system to proof grade every year and then monitor it as well as the inevitable home school issues or state to state transfers, etc etc.

Bla bla bla...

There have been several posts showing how grade verification can easily be implemented.

Such a loser.

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Do your calculation for misalignment.

🙄 There will be misalignment for either date. The only difference is that one side has a CHOICE model and the other side is TRAPPED. If an August birthdate in a 9/1 state is a late bloomer it is a better development solution to potentially play with youngers for a few years and then CHOOSE to play up with grade. It is not difficult. So give 70% * 1/12 a choice model or FORCE 30% * 1/12 to be trapped and lose half an 8th grade season, be off the recruiting calendar and have to be on a brand new team their senior year.

So there is the calculation. I can try to use different words is this is difficult to understand…………

And this is where the + comes in it solves all misalignment except for extreme cases of holding your kid back. Why are you so against a system that will actually solve the problem, instead of creating another.

Because it is unnecessary and adds unneeded complexity to an already disorganized ecosystem. We don’t need to build a tax code to solve for every eventuality.

But a better reason is that it is NEVER going to happen so why spend any energy on it in the first place.

You have explained and explained and explained your thoughts. Nobody here doesn’t understand your position. They just don’t like it, or they don’t think it will happen or find you so annoying that you continue to beat the dead horse that even if they may have supported your idea originally they don’t now.

SY+30 is needed to address all Aug birthday issues that will come up with an 8/1 cutoff.

Ignore it all you want. But everyone else knows that there will be issues. Might as well solve them now.

There are ~3,000,000 kids playing soccer in the US. 1/10th of 1% would be 3000 kids.

What issues do you see, other than August birthdays, which isn’t really an issue with an 8/1 date because those kids can choose, that would impact 3000+ kids?

Hope there are a ton if you are going to ask 10000 clubs to build a confirmation system to proof grade every year and then monitor it as well as the inevitable home school issues or state to state transfers, etc etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Sock puppet 1: Hey, what about SY+30

Sock puppet 2: Oh yeah hey, what a great idea.

Normal people: Please, please stop, it's not going to happen single poster guy.

Sock puppet choir: What! Everybody's talking about how great SY+30 would be! All of us real posters are so mad you think there's only one of us.

You seem to think that you're some kind of forum police telling everyone what to think.

Sorry, the more you fight against SY+30 or even SY+60 the better it seems.

No, the more you push a convoluted waiver idea to pick winners at the expense of every other player while forcing clubs to spend effort policing, the more it sounds like a political carve out lobbying campaign for the selfish.

It's really not that hard. Registration systems ask for birth year and grade. Everyone already submits a birth certificate. Let parents just say the grade. If every parent in that 1 or 2 month range lies SOO what. If your caught having lied your kid gets banned, easy peasy. It might be worth the risk for some but those people will find a way to cheat anyway.

100% also once players make it to ECNL level rosters are public. Cheat all you want you wont be able to hide from the busy body moms with nothing better to do than confirm player grade in school. Especially if it gives their kid a win.

Same guy again. Nice try.

OMG seriously you are the only one repeatedly trying to claim it's only one person. The rest of us are having a conversation.

I agree with the PP, pretty clearly the same guy.

I'm one of the SY+ posters it is most definitely not the same person. Are you that threatened that others have different views than you?

Yup, different person. Just like Jim Carey me, myself and Irene.

If believing in imaginary things helps you carry on, but do us all a favor and stop repeating your made up claim every time you hear a view point you don't understand.

This guy sits on DCUM all day long accusing others of responding to their own posts and saying 8/1 is the holy grail of soccer groupings.

Its going to be fun when GA comes out with something like SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff just to mess with ECNL.

I'm more interested in what the pre leagues do.

The pre leagues have already decided to switch to an 8/1 single date cutoff in 2026/27. Initially they tried to do a single 9/1 cutoff to avoid the August birthday issues. But, there was too much pressure so they switched to 8/1 to make everyone happy.

Now theres trapped players on both sides of 8/1 instead of just one side with BY.

There will be 17 trapped players in all of the US with an 8/1 date. I think it is an Amish community in PA and a Navajo tribe in NM. We have to stop managing by exception. ~30% of kids live in 8/1 or 8/15 start dates. Multiply that by 1/12 and it is a significant number. It falls to virtually zero with an 8/1 date.

Do your calculation for misalignment.

🙄 There will be misalignment for either date. The only difference is that one side has a CHOICE model and the other side is TRAPPED. If an August birthdate in a 9/1 state is a late bloomer it is a better development solution to potentially play with youngers for a few years and then CHOOSE to play up with grade. It is not difficult. So give 70% * 1/12 a choice model or FORCE 30% * 1/12 to be trapped and lose half an 8th grade season, be off the recruiting calendar and have to be on a brand new team their senior year.

So there is the calculation. I can try to use different words is this is difficult to understand…………

And this is where the + comes in it solves all misalignment except for extreme cases of holding your kid back. Why are you so against a system that will actually solve the problem, instead of creating another.

Because it is unnecessary and adds unneeded complexity to an already disorganized ecosystem. We don’t need to build a tax code to solve for every eventuality.

But a better reason is that it is NEVER going to happen so why spend any energy on it in the first place.

You have explained and explained and explained your thoughts. Nobody here doesn’t understand your position. They just don’t like it, or they don’t think it will happen or find you so annoying that you continue to beat the dead horse that even if they may have supported your idea originally they don’t now.

SY+30 is needed to address all Aug birthday issues that will come up with an 8/1 cutoff.

Ignore it all you want. But everyone else knows that there will be issues. Might as well solve them now.