Anonymous
Post 07/07/2025 17:02     Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
I actually was a fan of SY + something until this bananas conversion. We are taking about 1 or 2 months here. It doesn't matter what the district cutoffs are. Here's a reminder Virginia is 9/30!. If parents made the choice to hold their August or Sept birthday back that's a choice they made before sport aptitude was even determined. Don't over complicate it.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2025 17:02     Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:And you dont need to make proof of grade a big issue. Just have all clubs put proof of grade pics on a share that all other clubs have access to. Then make it clubs responsibility to police each other for cheaters.

I promise you that theres enough busy body moms out there that are just looking for things like this.


Please stop explaining. We get it: your July kid would love to play with their grade somewhere in Idaho or Indiana and you want them to have an age advantage.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2025 16:49     Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
And you dont need to make proof of grade a big issue. Just have all clubs put proof of grade pics on a share that all other clubs have access to. Then make it clubs responsibility to police each other for cheaters.

I promise you that theres enough busy body moms out there that are just looking for things like this.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2025 16:46     Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The downside is it would promote redshirting in soccer. As it is my kid has several kids on her team older than her. But a year lower grade.

SY+30/60 with a 9/1 cutoff specifically does not allow redshirting. Unless the player was born 30 or 60 days before 9/1. In this case its not really redshirting because if the kid grew up in a different part of America with an 8/1 or even 7/1 start date that is the grade they would be in school.
So is it the school cutoff date at the time the child would have been sent to school based on where they lived at the time? What if they moved the following year to a school district that had a different school year and then when off the new school district? Would this be o.k.? For immigrant kids would we go off their home country's school district or the first school district that they used when they went to U.S. schools? Would the USSF need to maintain a database of school district age cutoffs globally for every year and track changes so clubs could check to determine what age group to put kids in? If the child switches grades does this have to be reported or will they need to have their grade recertified every year? Would tax forms and associated social security numbers be needed to prove proof of residence for toddlers because most don't have IDs with residential addresses? I don't see what could go wrong with such a brilliant idea.

If a kid changes district and they have a different cutoff date usually schools will let them enter that grade they're qualified for. (Not repeat a grade just because of a cutoff date)

Here's an example say a July 19 birthday was at a district that started at 7/15. (There actually are some) with SY+60 and a 9/1 cutoff this player would play with the correct grade. With a single date cutoff of 8/1 they would have to play with players a grade older.

Going the other way with SY+30/60 with a 9/1 cutoff August birthdays are not able to choose which age group they want to play with. You must play with the grade you're enrolled. With a single 8/1 cutoff you introduce Aug birthdays being able to play down a grade.

All the edge cases you listed are addressed with SY+30/60 with a 9/1 cutoff. Theyre actually addressed better then a single 8/1 cutoff.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2025 16:28     Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The downside is it would promote redshirting in soccer. As it is my kid has several kids on her team older than her. But a year lower grade.

SY+30/60 with a 9/1 cutoff specifically does not allow redshirting. Unless the player was born 30 or 60 days before 9/1. In this case its not really redshirting because if the kid grew up in a different part of America with an 8/1 or even 7/1 start date that is the grade they would be in school.
So is it the school cutoff date at the time the child would have been sent to school based on where they lived at the time? What if they moved the following year to a school district that had a different school year and then when off the new school district? Would this be o.k.? For immigrant kids would we go off their home country's school district or the first school district that they used when they went to U.S. schools? Would the USSF need to maintain a database of school district age cutoffs globally for every year and track changes so clubs could check to determine what age group to put kids in? If the child switches grades does this have to be reported or will they need to have their grade recertified every year? Would tax forms and associated social security numbers be needed to prove proof of residence for toddlers because most don't have IDs with residential addresses? I don't see what could go wrong with such a brilliant idea.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2025 14:26     Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:ECNL is going Grad Year for showcases.
League play and nationals will be 8/1.
U19 will also be grad year from what I’m told.

My buddy is a lawyer and works as a consultant for USSF. So he gets details on some of this stuff.

I’ve been calling my shots since the beginning.

Hate it or love it it is what it is.


Beginning August 2025?

They have no clue + are just making things up.

Probably the same numbnut that claimed to have "Trish the Commish" from GA on speeddial.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2025 14:25     Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:ECNL is going Grad Year for showcases.
League play and nationals will be 8/1.
U19 will also be grad year from what I’m told.

My buddy is a lawyer and works as a consultant for USSF. So he gets details on some of this stuff.

I’ve been calling my shots since the beginning.

Hate it or love it it is what it is.

Hey "shotcaller"

SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff is the same thing as an 8/1 cutoff.

Theres all kinds of things that can happen



It’s not the same. +30 or +60 is playing down at the next 12-month cutoff of kids , why are you being so obtuse? Showcases can be an argument for potentially, but regular season no.

If anything SY+30 is a 13 month window. SY+60 is a 14 month window. But only for school districts that start before 9/1.

Theres not much you can do with all the different school start dates. Theres 3 options do a single date and start late which means trapped players on the top end or start really and theres players the wrong grade playing down. Or something like SY+30/60


It’s cheating no matter how you conceptualize it. Maybe uLiTtles or rec doesn’t matter but competitive leagues it’s a ridiculous proposal.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2025 14:18     Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:ECNL is going Grad Year for showcases.
League play and nationals will be 8/1.
U19 will also be grad year from what I’m told.

My buddy is a lawyer and works as a consultant for USSF. So he gets details on some of this stuff.

I’ve been calling my shots since the beginning.

Hate it or love it it is what it is.


Beginning August 2025?
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2025 14:08     Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:ECNL is going Grad Year for showcases.
League play and nationals will be 8/1.
U19 will also be grad year from what I’m told.

My buddy is a lawyer and works as a consultant for USSF. So he gets details on some of this stuff.

I’ve been calling my shots since the beginning.

Hate it or love it it is what it is.

Hey "shotcaller"

SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff is the same thing as an 8/1 cutoff.

Theres all kinds of things that can happen



It’s not the same. +30 or +60 is playing down at the next 12-month cutoff of kids , why are you being so obtuse? Showcases can be an argument for potentially, but regular season no.

If anything SY+30 is a 13 month window. SY+60 is a 14 month window. But only for school districts that start before 9/1.

Theres not much you can do with all the different school start dates. Theres 3 options do a single date and start late which means trapped players on the top end or start really and theres players the wrong grade playing down. Or something like SY+30/60
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2025 13:36     Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:ECNL is going Grad Year for showcases.
League play and nationals will be 8/1.
U19 will also be grad year from what I’m told.

My buddy is a lawyer and works as a consultant for USSF. So he gets details on some of this stuff.

I’ve been calling my shots since the beginning.

Hate it or love it it is what it is.

Hey "shotcaller"

SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff is the same thing as an 8/1 cutoff.

Theres all kinds of things that can happen



It’s not the same. +30 or +60 is playing down at the next 12-month cutoff of kids , why are you being so obtuse? Showcases can be an argument for potentially, but regular season no.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2025 13:18     Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:ECNL is going Grad Year for showcases.
League play and nationals will be 8/1.
U19 will also be grad year from what I’m told.

My buddy is a lawyer and works as a consultant for USSF. So he gets details on some of this stuff.

I’ve been calling my shots since the beginning.

Hate it or love it it is what it is.

Hey "shotcaller"

SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff is the same thing as an 8/1 cutoff.

Theres all kinds of things that can happen
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2025 13:13     Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
ECNL is going Grad Year for showcases.
League play and nationals will be 8/1.
U19 will also be grad year from what I’m told.

My buddy is a lawyer and works as a consultant for USSF. So he gets details on some of this stuff.

I’ve been calling my shots since the beginning.

Hate it or love it it is what it is.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2025 12:44     Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:if you based it on school cut off date that would be one thing but these people that are suggesting the sept 1 plus 60 date are not basing it on local cut off date they are basing it on grade. So you and i both have a august 2011 kid. Your kid went to school on time and is starting 9th grade, I decided to hold my kid back and she is going to be in 8th grade Do you think it would be fair to your kid for my kid to get a waiver to play a year down because i chose to start my kid a year late. Thats what the plus 60 people want.

Not not playing down its playing with your grade if your district starts 30 or 60 days before 9/1.

You dont understand.

Exactly, also technically a player born 30 or 60 days before 9/1 could regrade a year down and play on that team. However if you were born 30 or 60 days before 9/1 but are a grade older because of when your district started you can't play down. (Unless parents hold back their kid) Which mostly keeps this from happening.

In the end cheaters are gonna cheat. 9/1 was ECNLs first attempt at addressing. Then they switched to 8/1 because of all the complaints. Knowing that this creates a new issue with Aug players playing down a grade. SY+30/60 addresses 99% of all issues with a single date cutoff. But there will still be a small percentage that choose to cheat. In this case they'll have to regrade their kid and they can't be more that 30 or 60 days before 9/1.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2025 12:33     Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
Anonymous wrote:if you based it on school cut off date that would be one thing but these people that are suggesting the sept 1 plus 60 date are not basing it on local cut off date they are basing it on grade. So you and i both have a august 2011 kid. Your kid went to school on time and is starting 9th grade, I decided to hold my kid back and she is going to be in 8th grade Do you think it would be fair to your kid for my kid to get a waiver to play a year down because i chose to start my kid a year late. Thats what the plus 60 people want.

Not not playing down its playing with your grade if your district starts 30 or 60 days before 9/1.

You dont understand.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2025 12:23     Subject: ECNL moving to school year not calendar
if you based it on school cut off date that would be one thing but these people that are suggesting the sept 1 plus 60 date are not basing it on local cut off date they are basing it on grade. So you and i both have a august 2011 kid. Your kid went to school on time and is starting 9th grade, I decided to hold my kid back and she is going to be in 8th grade Do you think it would be fair to your kid for my kid to get a waiver to play a year down because i chose to start my kid a year late. Thats what the plus 60 people want.