Anonymous wrote:What do you consider too large of a roster for a team moving from small to full sided? Do you see any issue with 18 if all are good quality players? DS will be offered a spot on a team that will likely maximize all roster spots.

Anonymous wrote:Are y'all seriously arguing on an anonymous web forum about Bolivian soccer? Men are just weird.

Anonymous wrote:What do you consider too large of a roster for a team moving from small to full sided? Do you see any issue with 18 if all are good quality players? DS will be offered a spot on a team that will likely maximize all roster spots.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you consider too large of a roster for a team moving from small to full sided? Do you see any issue with 18 if all are good quality players? DS will be offered a spot on a team that will likely maximize all roster spots.

7 subs is a lot. If your kid is not a starter, it would not be good. Playing time is very unequal as kids go up in age. It's no longer about 'fair time'. Sometimes the bench will barely see minutes.

Anonymous wrote:What do you consider too large of a roster for a team moving from small to full sided? Do you see any issue with 18 if all are good quality players? DS will be offered a spot on a team that will likely maximize all roster spots.

Anonymous wrote:“I’ve never seen anyone wearing his jersey” that right there proves that you’re completely ignorant about your point yet you continue to dig your heels in.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. Someone made the comment that there is a league of Bolivians so we should get excited. My point is that in terms of "street cred," Bolivia is not a draw for the casual of serious soccer enthusiast. Again, look at the facts. Any country can produce one or two folks over its history but you will not find anyone in Latin America or elsewhere with a Tahuichi jersey let alone anyone who knows who he is. But you will find people who know Messi, Maradona, Palermo, Tevez, Neynar, Willian, Ronaldinho, Suarez, etc. Please folks, stop the nonsense. There is no smugness or generalizing. Bolivia is not a soccer powerhouse and never has been. The point here is that if you say that there is a Brazilian, Argentine, German, Italian league, people will flock to it. If you say there is a Bolvians league, they will likely yawn. Yes, Bolivia plays soccer as does a majority of countries in Latin America but if you go off its trackrecord of ranked players and placing it national team and professional teams in international tournaments, it is clearly a 3rd tier country behind every team in South America except Venezuela.

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agree. It doesn't mean a player from there can 'emerge' once in awhile---just like the US and Pulisic or George Best from Ireland or Salah and Egypt. But--they aren't known for reliably churning out superstars like---Spain, England, Germany, Holland, Italy, Argentina, etc...

Idiot -- nobody ever claimed they were. However, it is a fact that Bolivia was one of the better teams in South America as recently as the 1990's. Youngsters who were wearing diapers in the mid-90's may not recall those days, but many of us certainly do.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to put this discussion about Bolivia to rest. Notice which Latin American countries are ranked in the top 5 and top 20 globally and which country is not. By definition, top 20 placement means strong. Under any measurement you use, Bolivia is not a serious soccer country. That is not meant to disrespect Bolivia but if you are going to say that "Bolivia" gives an adult league any credibility you need to get serious. http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/index.html

And yet, the typical Bolivian is going to be far more into soccer than the typical American.

You could say "Scottish adult league," and you know it's going to be intense even if Scotland's national team is nowhere near where it used to be. If you want to see a weak adult league, say "Suburban Dads' adult league." Maybe the U.S. national team is a bit better than Scotland's or Bolivia's (or maybe not), but unless Christian Pulisic shows up to play, that doesn't matter.

And in this area, the memories of seeing Etcheverry and Moreno tear up MLS (and CONCACAF) are strong, so it means a little bit more than it would if it were a Bolivian league in Minnesota.

I don't disagree about the typical American but given that our nation supports, professional bass fishing in additional to the MLS, NBA, NHL, NFL MLB, etc. amd a robust amatuer league, i.e. NCAA, means the typical America has literally 20+ choices so it is not surprising that the typical America is not into soccer.

BTW, I play in several "suburban adult leaguess" and the quality is usually pretty stron (Expats, IFC/World Bank, Embassy staff) and I have yet to see a quality Bolivian. It could be that they are playing in the impressive Bolivian league.

You will have to excuse me if I just don't asign much credibility to Bolivia based o the performance of two Bolivians who played in a joke of a professional soccer league back when it was weaker. If they were that good, they would have played in the Premier, La Liga, Bundasliga or Serie A. At the very least they would been brand names in Argentina or Brazil.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to put this discussion about Bolivia to rest. Notice which Latin American countries are ranked in the top 5 and top 20 globally and which country is not. By definition, top 20 placement means strong. Under any measurement you use, Bolivia is not a serious soccer country. That is not meant to disrespect Bolivia but if you are going to say that "Bolivia" gives an adult league any credibility you need to get serious. http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/index.html

And yet, the typical Bolivian is going to be far more into soccer than the typical American.

You could say "Scottish adult league," and you know it's going to be intense even if Scotland's national team is nowhere near where it used to be. If you want to see a weak adult league, say "Suburban Dads' adult league." Maybe the U.S. national team is a bit better than Scotland's or Bolivia's (or maybe not), but unless Christian Pulisic shows up to play, that doesn't matter.

And in this area, the memories of seeing Etcheverry and Moreno tear up MLS (and CONCACAF) are strong, so it means a little bit more than it would if it were a Bolivian league in Minnesota.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. Someone made the comment that there is a league of Bolivians so we should get excited. My point is that in terms of "street cred," Bolivia is not a draw for the casual of serious soccer enthusiast. Again, look at the facts. Any country can produce one or two folks over its history but you will not find anyone in Latin America or elsewhere with a Tahuichi jersey let alone anyone who knows who he is. But you will find people who know Messi, Maradona, Palermo, Tevez, Neynar, Willian, Ronaldinho, Suarez, etc. Please folks, stop the nonsense. There is no smugness or generalizing. Bolivia is not a soccer powerhouse and never has been. The point here is that if you say that there is a Brazilian, Argentine, German, Italian league, people will flock to it. If you say there is a Bolvians league, they will likely yawn. Yes, Bolivia plays soccer as does a majority of countries in Latin America but if you go off its trackrecord of ranked players and placing it national team and professional teams in international tournaments, it is clearly a 3rd tier country behind every team in South America except Venezuela.

Where is the "Like" button?

agree. It doesn't mean a player from there can 'emerge' once in awhile---just like the US and Pulisic or George Best from Ireland or Salah and Egypt. But--they aren't known for reliably churning out superstars like---Spain, England, Germany, Holland, Italy, Argentina, etc...

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. Someone made the comment that there is a league of Bolivians so we should get excited. My point is that in terms of "street cred," Bolivia is not a draw for the casual of serious soccer enthusiast. Again, look at the facts. Any country can produce one or two folks over its history but you will not find anyone in Latin America or elsewhere with a Tahuichi jersey let alone anyone who knows who he is. But you will find people who know Messi, Maradona, Palermo, Tevez, Neynar, Willian, Ronaldinho, Suarez, etc. Please folks, stop the nonsense. There is no smugness or generalizing. Bolivia is not a soccer powerhouse and never has been. The point here is that if you say that there is a Brazilian, Argentine, German, Italian league, people will flock to it. If you say there is a Bolvians league, they will likely yawn. Yes, Bolivia plays soccer as does a majority of countries in Latin America but if you go off its trackrecord of ranked players and placing it national team and professional teams in international tournaments, it is clearly a 3rd tier country behind every team in South America except Venezuela.

Where is the "Like" button?