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Anonymous wrote:Yes - the Wootton cluster is finally getting worked up. Hopefully it is not too late.

With regard to your almighty Churchill comments: You are exactly right. Churchill is unified and they take pride in their school. They are defending Wayside and Potomac. Perhaps Wootton can stick together in the same way?

The only approach that will work is to fight to keep Wootton, fully as Wootton (that is what the almighty Churchill would do). You start compromising on the name, and jettisoning elementary schools and we are headed for closure.

Part of the issue was that Churchill had only one maybe two schools in question and it was all mostly the same goal.

Wootton is dealing with an entire cluster, with the feeder schools at different locations relative to the new Crown site and the current Wootton site. Since the area is broader, the range of what people are supporting or opposing is broader too. When the question used to be just one or two schools, the Wootton cluster did circle the wagons and insist on keeping all of it's schools. It's one of the things that some posters are saying the Wootton cluster whined about.

Exactly. No other school or cluster has been threatened with closure. What makes Wootton different? It’s the one mcps school with the most amount of Asians kids. As this thread shows, Asians kids aren’t diverse. Guess they are white? Asian kids according to this thread can also be used as tools to increase test scores.

O wait that’s why this is a civil rights issue.

Do you even understand what diverse means? Diverse doesn't equal minority - it means a variety.

So yes, Wootton is not diverse since majority are White and Asian.

Same with QO - the majority is White and Hispanic.

Same with Gaithersburg - majority Hispanic and Black.

All these schools need other races.

Wootton needs to have more Black and Hispanic QO needs more Asians and Black
Gaithersburg needs more White and Asians

That will make these schools diverse.

It’s unfortunate that people rarely point their fingers at the truly wealthy schools that lack diversity, like Whitman and Churchill. Instead, Wootton becomes the easy target

The reality is that the locations of those schools make it very hard to do anything about it without dramatic changes to housing policy. The same isn't true of Wootton.

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Anonymous wrote:If option H is installed, the older town houses value will collapse. The new development near Wootton wok loose value.

There needs to be stronger protest from the community.

Not enough protest was going on when Horizon Hills, next to Wootton, was rezoned. Not environmental friendly either.

Wootton is a quieter bunch and less litigious than Churchill and Whitman. People keep throwing words around like elitist, when in reality Wootton is average in wealth for this county.

This is honestly is the most worked up I’ve ever seen the cluster, and yet people keep saying that they are “gangsters” for simply advocating for their kids. Hell I wish Wootton would be louder—maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess to begin with because we would’ve gotten renovations done years ago. Instead, we keep getting ignored and sidelined. And now instead of renovations, they want Wootton to take the fall and fill in a school that doesn’t have enough kids to attend. If Crown truly doesn’t have enough kids, why build it in the first place? Or maybe it does have enough kids if we did a reasonable boundary study… but god forbid we ever touch the almighty Potomac Churchill kids. No we can’t touch Wayside or Potomac ES, so let’s pick on Wootton and make them take the fall for our poor choices.

That said, looks like finally something woke the sleeping giants and the Wootton cluster is protesting and making noise!

You don't really believe Wootton is "average" for wealth, do you?

It doesn’t help to get into everyone’s personal financial business nor is it our place. All over the world there are varying socioeconomic statuses right next to each other. That also occurs in the Wootton district. And the Gaithersburg high school district and everywhere else. Yes, I’m sure the average is higher but let’s stay on topic.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes - the Wootton cluster is finally getting worked up. Hopefully it is not too late.

With regard to your almighty Churchill comments: You are exactly right. Churchill is unified and they take pride in their school. They are defending Wayside and Potomac. Perhaps Wootton can stick together in the same way?

The only approach that will work is to fight to keep Wootton, fully as Wootton (that is what the almighty Churchill would do). You start compromising on the name, and jettisoning elementary schools and we are headed for closure.

Part of the issue was that Churchill had only one maybe two schools in question and it was all mostly the same goal.

Wootton is dealing with an entire cluster, with the feeder schools at different locations relative to the new Crown site and the current Wootton site. Since the area is broader, the range of what people are supporting or opposing is broader too. When the question used to be just one or two schools, the Wootton cluster did circle the wagons and insist on keeping all of it's schools. It's one of the things that some posters are saying the Wootton cluster whined about.

Exactly. No other school or cluster has been threatened with closure. What makes Wootton different? It’s the one mcps school with the most amount of Asians kids. As this thread shows, Asians kids aren’t diverse. Guess they are white? Asian kids according to this thread can also be used as tools to increase test scores.

O wait that’s why this is a civil rights issue.

Do you even understand what diverse means? Diverse doesn't equal minority - it means a variety.

So yes, Wootton is not diverse since majority are White and Asian.

Same with QO - the majority is White and Hispanic.

Same with Gaithersburg - majority Hispanic and Black.

All these schools need other races.

Wootton needs to have more Black and Hispanic QO needs more Asians and Black
Gaithersburg needs more White and Asians

That will make these schools diverse.

It’s unfortunate that people rarely point their fingers at the truly wealthy schools that lack diversity, like Whitman and Churchill. Instead, Wootton becomes the easy target

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Anonymous wrote:Not trolling but trying to understand whether there is any valid basis to the “illegality” argument other than just posturing: these boundary study options are merely just options - Taylor may ultimately decide to propose to the council a modified version of one of the options or something entirely different. Survey responses aren’t votes and aren’t binding on them. If they do decide to close Wootton, they have plenty of time to notice public hearings and conduct impact studies. What is the basis for folks believing that all this work must be done prematurely?

Because you are genuinely asking: any lawyer worth their salt would know there is no legal standing yet because you are right there is no harm done. That’s why the argument isn’t mcps is violating the law—the argument is Option H is violating the law. Hence, if Option H is chosen, MCPS is in violation of the law.

Lawyers use notices all the time to warn institutions. If you do this, we will be forced to sue you.

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To your second part—can’t they start all this process after going with H. The answer is no. MCPS can’t decide to do something without first doing all the things required. The point of the law isn’t so that MCPS can perform a checklist for the sake of doing so. The point of the law is to have good-faith engagement and impact studies. Thats why procedure matters. If Mcps decides first to close, then there is no point in doing all the things the state requires—their minds are made up. That’s why the law requires these protections before a decision is made.

That doesn't make any sense. You need to make a decision to begin the process at all. Proposing something is not the same thing as making the final decision.

The whole thing is silly, though. Option H isn't closing a school. Keep the name and the boundary the same for a year if it is important to emphasize that.

So that’s precisely why option H is dangerous. It’s mixing school closure and boundary at the same time (and even CIP). All of these are separate administrative and procedural decisions. They aren’t supposed to influence or be decided based on each other. That’s why the water surrounding H is already dirty.

To consider whether or not to close a school isn’t really a fair decision when it comes at the tail end and as a result of millions of dollars spent on a farce of a boundary study spanning across years. It would mean MCPS gave the illusion of choice and are only looking for facts to support its conclusion.

I’m not going to feed the trolls and explain why this is a school closure. There’s pages and pages on this thread about this. There’s also that modified H being floated.

Plus the person above made is super clear. What is staying the same? Name, kids, teachers, location.

Yes, decisions get complicated. That isn't a reason to avoid them.

Even if you consider this a school closure, they're already following the spirit of the law regarding transparency and engagement , and to the extent that there might be additional steps, there are opportunities to do that. School closures never come up lightly. What you're suggesting now is that a district could never propose closing a school, as you're saying you can't even make the decision to even propose a closure without first going through a process. Turtles all the way down.

I'm coming around to the idea of phasing in the boundary changes a year after moving the school, just to emphasize the ridiculousness of the Wootton position and avoid attempts to drag it into court.

You pretended to act like the defendant’s attorney, but you can’t avoid attempts to drag this into court. Wootton families feel threatened to lose their 55 year school and no way they’ll not attempt to bring lawsuits to MCPS. Any other schools facing the same situation would sue MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:If option H is installed, the older town houses value will collapse. The new development near Wootton wok loose value.

There needs to be stronger protest from the community.

Not enough protest was going on when Horizon Hills, next to Wootton, was rezoned. Not environmental friendly either.

Wootton is a quieter bunch and less litigious than Churchill and Whitman. People keep throwing words around like elitist, when in reality Wootton is average in wealth for this county.

This is honestly is the most worked up I’ve ever seen the cluster, and yet people keep saying that they are “gangsters” for simply advocating for their kids. Hell I wish Wootton would be louder—maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess to begin with because we would’ve gotten renovations done years ago. Instead, we keep getting ignored and sidelined. And now instead of renovations, they want Wootton to take the fall and fill in a school that doesn’t have enough kids to attend. If Crown truly doesn’t have enough kids, why build it in the first place? Or maybe it does have enough kids if we did a reasonable boundary study… but god forbid we ever touch the almighty Potomac Churchill kids. No we can’t touch Wayside or Potomac ES, so let’s pick on Wootton and make them take the fall for our poor choices.

That said, looks like finally something woke the sleeping giants and the Wootton cluster is protesting and making noise!

You don't really believe Wootton is "average" for wealth, do you?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes - the Wootton cluster is finally getting worked up. Hopefully it is not too late.

With regard to your almighty Churchill comments: You are exactly right. Churchill is unified and they take pride in their school. They are defending Wayside and Potomac. Perhaps Wootton can stick together in the same way?

The only approach that will work is to fight to keep Wootton, fully as Wootton (that is what the almighty Churchill would do). You start compromising on the name, and jettisoning elementary schools and we are headed for closure.

Part of the issue was that Churchill had only one maybe two schools in question and it was all mostly the same goal.

Wootton is dealing with an entire cluster, with the feeder schools at different locations relative to the new Crown site and the current Wootton site. Since the area is broader, the range of what people are supporting or opposing is broader too. When the question used to be just one or two schools, the Wootton cluster did circle the wagons and insist on keeping all of it's schools. It's one of the things that some posters are saying the Wootton cluster whined about.

Exactly. No other school or cluster has been threatened with closure. What makes Wootton different? It’s the one mcps school with the most amount of Asians kids. As this thread shows, Asians kids aren’t diverse. Guess they are white? Asian kids according to this thread can also be used as tools to increase test scores.

O wait that’s why this is a civil rights issue.

Do you even understand what diverse means? Diverse doesn't equal minority - it means a variety.

So yes, Wootton is not diverse since majority are White and Asian.

Same with QO - the majority is White and Hispanic.

Same with Gaithersburg - majority Hispanic and Black.

All these schools need other races.

Wootton needs to have more Black and Hispanic QO needs more Asians and Black
Gaithersburg needs more White and Asians

That will make these schools diverse.

It’s unfortunate that people rarely point their fingers at the truly wealthy schools that lack diversity, like Whitman and Churchill. Instead, Wootton becomes the easy target

This is Crown study, that is why QO, that is why Wootton and Gaithersburg HS are mentioned. They are close to each other. There is no Churchill or Whitman study as of now.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes - the Wootton cluster is finally getting worked up. Hopefully it is not too late.

With regard to your almighty Churchill comments: You are exactly right. Churchill is unified and they take pride in their school. They are defending Wayside and Potomac. Perhaps Wootton can stick together in the same way?

The only approach that will work is to fight to keep Wootton, fully as Wootton (that is what the almighty Churchill would do). You start compromising on the name, and jettisoning elementary schools and we are headed for closure.

Part of the issue was that Churchill had only one maybe two schools in question and it was all mostly the same goal.

Wootton is dealing with an entire cluster, with the feeder schools at different locations relative to the new Crown site and the current Wootton site. Since the area is broader, the range of what people are supporting or opposing is broader too. When the question used to be just one or two schools, the Wootton cluster did circle the wagons and insist on keeping all of it's schools. It's one of the things that some posters are saying the Wootton cluster whined about.

Exactly. No other school or cluster has been threatened with closure. What makes Wootton different? It’s the one mcps school with the most amount of Asians kids. As this thread shows, Asians kids aren’t diverse. Guess they are white? Asian kids according to this thread can also be used as tools to increase test scores.

O wait that’s why this is a civil rights issue.

Do you even understand what diverse means? Diverse doesn't equal minority - it means a variety.

So yes, Wootton is not diverse since majority are White and Asian.

Same with QO - the majority is White and Hispanic.

Same with Gaithersburg - majority Hispanic and Black.

All these schools need other races.

Wootton needs to have more Black and Hispanic QO needs more Asians and Black
Gaithersburg needs more White and Asians

That will make these schools diverse.

It’s unfortunate that people rarely point their fingers at the truly wealthy schools that lack diversity, like Whitman and Churchill. Instead, Wootton becomes the easy target

This is Crown study, that is why QO, that is why Wootton and Gaithersburg HS are mentioned. They are close to each other. There is no Churchill or Whitman study as of now.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes - the Wootton cluster is finally getting worked up. Hopefully it is not too late.

With regard to your almighty Churchill comments: You are exactly right. Churchill is unified and they take pride in their school. They are defending Wayside and Potomac. Perhaps Wootton can stick together in the same way?

The only approach that will work is to fight to keep Wootton, fully as Wootton (that is what the almighty Churchill would do). You start compromising on the name, and jettisoning elementary schools and we are headed for closure.

Part of the issue was that Churchill had only one maybe two schools in question and it was all mostly the same goal.

Wootton is dealing with an entire cluster, with the feeder schools at different locations relative to the new Crown site and the current Wootton site. Since the area is broader, the range of what people are supporting or opposing is broader too. When the question used to be just one or two schools, the Wootton cluster did circle the wagons and insist on keeping all of it's schools. It's one of the things that some posters are saying the Wootton cluster whined about.

Exactly. No other school or cluster has been threatened with closure. What makes Wootton different? It’s the one mcps school with the most amount of Asians kids. As this thread shows, Asians kids aren’t diverse. Guess they are white? Asian kids according to this thread can also be used as tools to increase test scores.

O wait that’s why this is a civil rights issue.

Do you even understand what diverse means? Diverse doesn't equal minority - it means a variety.

So yes, Wootton is not diverse since majority are White and Asian.

Same with QO - the majority is White and Hispanic.

Same with Gaithersburg - majority Hispanic and Black.

All these schools need other races.

Wootton needs to have more Black and Hispanic QO needs more Asians and Black
Gaithersburg needs more White and Asians

That will make these schools diverse.

It’s unfortunate that people rarely point their fingers at the truly wealthy schools that lack diversity, like Whitman and Churchill. Instead, Wootton becomes the easy target

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Anonymous wrote:Yes - the Wootton cluster is finally getting worked up. Hopefully it is not too late.

With regard to your almighty Churchill comments: You are exactly right. Churchill is unified and they take pride in their school. They are defending Wayside and Potomac. Perhaps Wootton can stick together in the same way?

The only approach that will work is to fight to keep Wootton, fully as Wootton (that is what the almighty Churchill would do). You start compromising on the name, and jettisoning elementary schools and we are headed for closure.

Part of the issue was that Churchill had only one maybe two schools in question and it was all mostly the same goal.

Wootton is dealing with an entire cluster, with the feeder schools at different locations relative to the new Crown site and the current Wootton site. Since the area is broader, the range of what people are supporting or opposing is broader too. When the question used to be just one or two schools, the Wootton cluster did circle the wagons and insist on keeping all of it's schools. It's one of the things that some posters are saying the Wootton cluster whined about.

Exactly. No other school or cluster has been threatened with closure. What makes Wootton different? It’s the one mcps school with the most amount of Asians kids. As this thread shows, Asians kids aren’t diverse. Guess they are white? Asian kids according to this thread can also be used as tools to increase test scores.

O wait that’s why this is a civil rights issue.

Do you even understand what diverse means? Diverse doesn't equal minority - it means a variety.

So yes, Wootton is not diverse since majority are White and Asian.

Same with QO - the majority is White and Hispanic.

Same with Gaithersburg - majority Hispanic and Black.

All these schools need other races.

Wootton needs to have more Black and Hispanic QO needs more Asians and Black
Gaithersburg needs more White and Asians

That will make these schools diverse.

It’s unfortunate that people rarely point their fingers at the truly wealthy schools that lack diversity, like Whitman and Churchill. Instead, Wootton becomes the easy target

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Anonymous wrote:Yes - the Wootton cluster is finally getting worked up. Hopefully it is not too late.

With regard to your almighty Churchill comments: You are exactly right. Churchill is unified and they take pride in their school. They are defending Wayside and Potomac. Perhaps Wootton can stick together in the same way?

The only approach that will work is to fight to keep Wootton, fully as Wootton (that is what the almighty Churchill would do). You start compromising on the name, and jettisoning elementary schools and we are headed for closure.

Part of the issue was that Churchill had only one maybe two schools in question and it was all mostly the same goal.

Wootton is dealing with an entire cluster, with the feeder schools at different locations relative to the new Crown site and the current Wootton site. Since the area is broader, the range of what people are supporting or opposing is broader too. When the question used to be just one or two schools, the Wootton cluster did circle the wagons and insist on keeping all of it's schools. It's one of the things that some posters are saying the Wootton cluster whined about.

Exactly. No other school or cluster has been threatened with closure. What makes Wootton different? It’s the one mcps school with the most amount of Asians kids. As this thread shows, Asians kids aren’t diverse. Guess they are white? Asian kids according to this thread can also be used as tools to increase test scores.

O wait that’s why this is a civil rights issue.

Do you even understand what diverse means? Diverse doesn't equal minority - it means a variety.

So yes, Wootton is not diverse since majority are White and Asian.

Same with QO - the majority is White and Hispanic.

Same with Gaithersburg - majority Hispanic and Black.

All these schools need other races.

Wootton needs to have more Black and Hispanic QO needs more Asians and Black
Gaithersburg needs more White and Asians

That will make these schools diverse.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes - the Wootton cluster is finally getting worked up. Hopefully it is not too late.

With regard to your almighty Churchill comments: You are exactly right. Churchill is unified and they take pride in their school. They are defending Wayside and Potomac. Perhaps Wootton can stick together in the same way?

The only approach that will work is to fight to keep Wootton, fully as Wootton (that is what the almighty Churchill would do). You start compromising on the name, and jettisoning elementary schools and we are headed for closure.

Part of the issue was that Churchill had only one maybe two schools in question and it was all mostly the same goal.

Wootton is dealing with an entire cluster, with the feeder schools at different locations relative to the new Crown site and the current Wootton site. Since the area is broader, the range of what people are supporting or opposing is broader too. When the question used to be just one or two schools, the Wootton cluster did circle the wagons and insist on keeping all of it's schools. It's one of the things that some posters are saying the Wootton cluster whined about.

Exactly. No other school or cluster has been threatened with closure. What makes Wootton different? It’s the one mcps school with the most amount of Asians kids. As this thread shows, Asians kids aren’t diverse. Guess they are white? Asian kids according to this thread can also be used as tools to increase test scores.

O wait that’s why this is a civil rights issue.

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Anonymous wrote:If option H is installed, the older town houses value will collapse. The new development near Wootton wok loose value.

There needs to be stronger protest from the community.

Not enough protest was going on when Horizon Hills, next to Wootton, was rezoned. Not environmental friendly either.

Wootton is a quieter bunch and less litigious than Churchill and Whitman. People keep throwing words around like elitist, when in reality Wootton is average in wealth for this county.

This is honestly is the most worked up I’ve ever seen the cluster, and yet people keep saying that they are “gangsters” for simply advocating for their kids. Hell I wish Wootton would be louder—maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess to begin with because we would’ve gotten renovations done years ago. Instead, we keep getting ignored and sidelined. And now instead of renovations, they want Wootton to take the fall and fill in a school that doesn’t have enough kids to attend. If Crown truly doesn’t have enough kids, why build it in the first place? Or maybe it does have enough kids if we did a reasonable boundary study… but god forbid we ever touch the almighty Potomac Churchill kids. No we can’t touch Wayside or Potomac ES, so let’s pick on Wootton and make them take the fall for our poor choices.

That said, looks like finally something woke the sleeping giants and the Wootton cluster is protesting and making noise!

Look at the Census tracks. The zoned tracts closest to Wootton have household incomes twice the median level for the county. Most of the others are have HHIs 50% above the county's median.

No, Wootton is not "average" wealth for the county. They're well above that.

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The FARMS rate is 13%. Only 3 schools -- Whitman, Churchill, and Poolesville -- have lower than that. If 1-2 high FARMS % ES clusters are added and the location moved to Crown, that school would be around 20-25% FARMS. Similar to BCC.