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Anonymous wrote:The NG is placed in lower crime areas to free up more MPD officers to patrol the higher crime areas. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

Try again Jeb. They are placed where there is zero crime and no need for foot patrol. It is 100 a MAGA show of force. Trump aspires to be Duterte.

Tell me you don’t understand patrol sectors without telling me you don’t understand patrol sectors Karen.

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Anonymous wrote:There were five shootings Friday night! Trump’s crime fighters aren’t doing a good job. Let MPD do what they were doing before. Crime was coming down. Although as unemployment goes up and the economy gets worse, crime will increase.

BUT BUT BUT some jerkoff said Dump's police state is successfully lowering violent crime! Say it ain't so!

On August 11 there were 100 murders in 2025. As of September 2 there were 104. That’s an objectively big difference in the murder rate.

Exactly. Can’t argue with positive results.

Was downtown at Nationals game and no gang bangers in site, but saw NG 5 times, with weapons, and they were really nice, smiled and said hello. They seemed to be having a good time also.

If you think that is some kind of hard data you’re a big idiot. NG is patrolling safe areas to make a show of force that Trump controls us. It is disgusting and I feel violated and angry every time I see their ugly camo and absurd body armor.

Hard data is that there have been 4 murders since August 12, when the NG came in, in a city that was averaging more than 14 murders per month this year.

What hard data do you have?

I know enough to know that one month isn’t a good comparator.

How about 4 more months until the end of the year? If there are 4-8 murders a month instead of the 14/month we had from January to July will you admit it works? How long do you need?

DP butting in. Even if it works, how is it sustainable? Deploying the NG in DC costs $1 million a day. If they are the answer to DC‘s crime problems, please explain how their presence is sustainable.

The NYPD budget is almost $6 billion a year.

https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2024/03/056-NYPD.pdf

MPD’s budget for 2025 was more than $630 million.

https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publication/attachments/fa0_mpd_chapter_2025j.pdf

$1 million a day ($365 million) extra to cut the murder rate by half to three times less and have something approaching NYC’s murder rate is not a bad deal.

Maybe take into account the population of all of NYC vs the population of DC.

Yes, but the point is that DC already spends $630 million for MPD. What do they have to show for it?

There were 187 murders in DC 2024. There were 382 in NYC in 2024.

So while DC spends as much per capita as NYC on policing they have horrible results by comparison. During this Fed surge there have been 4 murders in 23 days. That’s around 5 murders a month. If you expand those kind of numbers to the entire year that’s 60 murders a year, which would be the lowest murder rate in DC in recorded history.

$365 million to save 125+ lives and have the lowest murder rate in recorded history in the nation’s capital is not a bad return on investment. The federal government spends billions on far less worthy causes.

Much of DC's issues are on the prosecution side: DC prosecutes and no papers at a much lower rate than NYC. Feds are not even getting more arrests than MPD. If you are a DC local, you know this. If you are one of the rando MAGAs who post here from other states (caught one idiot doxxing himself the other day), you do not understand that and the nuances.

Fix prosecution and save lots of money. I am happy that the admin is starting to address that part which is all they needed to do in the first place. Arrests do not matter one iota without fixing prosecution issues and on the back end, some of these arrested folks are being let go due to violation of search and seizure laws.

You can’t prosecute murders that do not happen. I’d rather have hundreds more people not die a year and LESS crime than have more murders and more crime but prosecute the perpetrators more efficiently and effectively.

The Fed surge is keeping murders from happening. The MPD updated there stats today and it is still 104 murders as of September 4. That is 4 murders between August 12 and September 4 in a city that was averaging 14 murders a month before the Feds came in. Those murder numbers are real and cannot be fudged. I’m not judging the change in crime based on every other crime stat that has been shown to be manipulated or underreported for political reasons in DC and other cities around the country in the past as well. Murder stats are the only thing people should put any faith in.

The show of force has more to do with fear of prosecution (to quote DC criminals, they historically avoided VA because "VA don't play" when it comes to crime). So staff up MPD and USAO.

But I do not want military presence for law enforcement as a permanent solution to crime. Slippery slope and quite expensive plus is off putting to our restaurant and tourism industries. Messy fed intervention harassing folks (like what happened at Coolidge HS this week causing utter chaos and more distrust of the feds) is not ideal. Also we have achieved a low murder rate in prior years just with basic policing and prosecution. I don't know why you favor expensive, short term solutions over efficient sustainable ones.

When did DC achieve a lower murder rate than having 4 murders in 24 days in the summer, which plays out to around 5-6 murders a month and between 60 and 72 murders a year?

Here is MPD data on murders from 1972 to 2002. The lowest number of murders in a year was 157 in 1985.

https://ocme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocme/publication/attachments/APPENDIX%20A%20-%2030%20year.pdf

2009-2014 was the best period for the murder rate, with 88 murders in 2012. Still not as good as the murder rate between August 12 and September 4, 2025. The bottom of this page shows murders by year 2005-2024.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

For reference, the 88 murders in 2012 was still horrible compared to the 419 people killed in New York City that year. DC had 635,700 people in 2012. New York City had 8.34 million. If New York City had DC’s murder rate that year they would have recorded more than 1,150 deaths, almost triple the murder rate of DC’s record low year. That’s how bad it is. Even a record low year in DC is three times as worse as New York City.

New York’s 2012 murder stats below.

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/murder_in_nyc_2012.pdf

So what's your point? The US should now be a military state? That's what you want? None one else wants that. We want our funding back so locals can do the job.

So the argument went from “the National Guard is doing nothing and crime is still the same” to “OMG Police State crime doesn’t matter give me my city back from MAGA goobers” when presented with cold hard stats. Interesting.

Hundreds more American citizens, mostly Black men, dying needless deaths every year disturbs me more than National Guard troops.

No it doesn’t disturb you at all. we all know you are on other threads saying George Floyd deserved it and that crime is a cultural issue among “the blacks.”

Are you 14? This is not a rhetorical question.

You are spiraling out to control when confronted with MPD data, huh? You don’t care if more Black people are murdered if it means that Trump looks bad, right? You are that heartless and evil. Just admit it.

You’re a racist sh*tstain and EVERYONE on this thread knows that.

You are a nut job in drastic need of a psychological help. Not joking.

lol you’re the one who thinks HS dropouts in body armor standing around in the park raking is some kind of genius act of policing.

I DON’T WANT THE NATIONAL GUARD HERE! But I also don’t suffer fools and stick my head in the sand when confronted with murder stats that show a gigantic, historic drop in the homicide rate and pretend that it’s not happening or base my opinions on anecdotes on Twitter / X and cable news. I’m not that stupid. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:The NG is placed in lower crime areas to free up more MPD officers to patrol the higher crime areas. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

Try again Jeb. They are placed where there is zero crime and no need for foot patrol. It is 100 a MAGA show of force. Trump aspires to be Duterte.

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Anonymous wrote:There were five shootings Friday night! Trump’s crime fighters aren’t doing a good job. Let MPD do what they were doing before. Crime was coming down. Although as unemployment goes up and the economy gets worse, crime will increase.

BUT BUT BUT some jerkoff said Dump's police state is successfully lowering violent crime! Say it ain't so!

On August 11 there were 100 murders in 2025. As of September 2 there were 104. That’s an objectively big difference in the murder rate.

Exactly. Can’t argue with positive results.

Was downtown at Nationals game and no gang bangers in site, but saw NG 5 times, with weapons, and they were really nice, smiled and said hello. They seemed to be having a good time also.

If you think that is some kind of hard data you’re a big idiot. NG is patrolling safe areas to make a show of force that Trump controls us. It is disgusting and I feel violated and angry every time I see their ugly camo and absurd body armor.

Hard data is that there have been 4 murders since August 12, when the NG came in, in a city that was averaging more than 14 murders per month this year.

What hard data do you have?

I know enough to know that one month isn’t a good comparator.

How about 4 more months until the end of the year? If there are 4-8 murders a month instead of the 14/month we had from January to July will you admit it works? How long do you need?

DP butting in. Even if it works, how is it sustainable? Deploying the NG in DC costs $1 million a day. If they are the answer to DC‘s crime problems, please explain how their presence is sustainable.

The NYPD budget is almost $6 billion a year.

https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2024/03/056-NYPD.pdf

MPD’s budget for 2025 was more than $630 million.

https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publication/attachments/fa0_mpd_chapter_2025j.pdf

$1 million a day ($365 million) extra to cut the murder rate by half to three times less and have something approaching NYC’s murder rate is not a bad deal.

Maybe take into account the population of all of NYC vs the population of DC.

Yes, but the point is that DC already spends $630 million for MPD. What do they have to show for it?

There were 187 murders in DC 2024. There were 382 in NYC in 2024.

So while DC spends as much per capita as NYC on policing they have horrible results by comparison. During this Fed surge there have been 4 murders in 23 days. That’s around 5 murders a month. If you expand those kind of numbers to the entire year that’s 60 murders a year, which would be the lowest murder rate in DC in recorded history.

$365 million to save 125+ lives and have the lowest murder rate in recorded history in the nation’s capital is not a bad return on investment. The federal government spends billions on far less worthy causes.

Much of DC's issues are on the prosecution side: DC prosecutes and no papers at a much lower rate than NYC. Feds are not even getting more arrests than MPD. If you are a DC local, you know this. If you are one of the rando MAGAs who post here from other states (caught one idiot doxxing himself the other day), you do not understand that and the nuances.

Fix prosecution and save lots of money. I am happy that the admin is starting to address that part which is all they needed to do in the first place. Arrests do not matter one iota without fixing prosecution issues and on the back end, some of these arrested folks are being let go due to violation of search and seizure laws.

You can’t prosecute murders that do not happen. I’d rather have hundreds more people not die a year and LESS crime than have more murders and more crime but prosecute the perpetrators more efficiently and effectively.

The Fed surge is keeping murders from happening. The MPD updated there stats today and it is still 104 murders as of September 4. That is 4 murders between August 12 and September 4 in a city that was averaging 14 murders a month before the Feds came in. Those murder numbers are real and cannot be fudged. I’m not judging the change in crime based on every other crime stat that has been shown to be manipulated or underreported for political reasons in DC and other cities around the country in the past as well. Murder stats are the only thing people should put any faith in.

The show of force has more to do with fear of prosecution (to quote DC criminals, they historically avoided VA because "VA don't play" when it comes to crime). So staff up MPD and USAO.

But I do not want military presence for law enforcement as a permanent solution to crime. Slippery slope and quite expensive plus is off putting to our restaurant and tourism industries. Messy fed intervention harassing folks (like what happened at Coolidge HS this week causing utter chaos and more distrust of the feds) is not ideal. Also we have achieved a low murder rate in prior years just with basic policing and prosecution. I don't know why you favor expensive, short term solutions over efficient sustainable ones.

When did DC achieve a lower murder rate than having 4 murders in 24 days in the summer, which plays out to around 5-6 murders a month and between 60 and 72 murders a year?

Here is MPD data on murders from 1972 to 2002. The lowest number of murders in a year was 157 in 1985.

https://ocme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocme/publication/attachments/APPENDIX%20A%20-%2030%20year.pdf

2009-2014 was the best period for the murder rate, with 88 murders in 2012. Still not as good as the murder rate between August 12 and September 4, 2025. The bottom of this page shows murders by year 2005-2024.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

For reference, the 88 murders in 2012 was still horrible compared to the 419 people killed in New York City that year. DC had 635,700 people in 2012. New York City had 8.34 million. If New York City had DC’s murder rate that year they would have recorded more than 1,150 deaths, almost triple the murder rate of DC’s record low year. That’s how bad it is. Even a record low year in DC is three times as worse as New York City.

New York’s 2012 murder stats below.

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/murder_in_nyc_2012.pdf

So what's your point? The US should now be a military state? That's what you want? None one else wants that. We want our funding back so locals can do the job.

So the argument went from “the National Guard is doing nothing and crime is still the same” to “OMG Police State crime doesn’t matter give me my city back from MAGA goobers” when presented with cold hard stats. Interesting.

Hundreds more American citizens, mostly Black men, dying needless deaths every year disturbs me more than National Guard troops.

No it doesn’t disturb you at all. we all know you are on other threads saying George Floyd deserved it and that crime is a cultural issue among “the blacks.”

Are you 14? This is not a rhetorical question.

You are spiraling out to control when confronted with MPD data, huh? You don’t care if more Black people are murdered if it means that Trump looks bad, right? You are that heartless and evil. Just admit it.

You’re a racist sh*tstain and EVERYONE on this thread knows that.

You are a nut job in drastic need of a psychological help. Not joking.

lol you’re the one who thinks HS dropouts in body armor standing around in the park raking is some kind of genius act of policing.

Anonymous wrote:“The National Guard isn’t doing anything just picking up trash.”

“4 murders in 24 days.”

“OMG you want DC to be Santiago under Pinochet you RACIST!!”

Data is that triggering to you, huh?

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Anonymous wrote:The NG is placed in lower crime areas to free up more MPD officers to patrol the higher crime areas. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

This x 100. Less MPD working on game nights at Nationals Park and on weekends on U Street frees them up to go after the murderers and hard core criminals. This isn’t rocket science.

OMG. I can’t with you idiots.

And I can’t with you idiots that can’t acknowledge hard murder stats. 4 murders in 24 days is not just a coincidence. If you think so then I’m sure you’ll be fine with the Feds being here until the end of the year to show this dramatic murder rate drop isn’t an aberration, right? Or do you just not care if less people are murdered?

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Anonymous wrote:There were five shootings Friday night! Trump’s crime fighters aren’t doing a good job. Let MPD do what they were doing before. Crime was coming down. Although as unemployment goes up and the economy gets worse, crime will increase.

BUT BUT BUT some jerkoff said Dump's police state is successfully lowering violent crime! Say it ain't so!

On August 11 there were 100 murders in 2025. As of September 2 there were 104. That’s an objectively big difference in the murder rate.

Exactly. Can’t argue with positive results.

Was downtown at Nationals game and no gang bangers in site, but saw NG 5 times, with weapons, and they were really nice, smiled and said hello. They seemed to be having a good time also.

If you think that is some kind of hard data you’re a big idiot. NG is patrolling safe areas to make a show of force that Trump controls us. It is disgusting and I feel violated and angry every time I see their ugly camo and absurd body armor.

Hard data is that there have been 4 murders since August 12, when the NG came in, in a city that was averaging more than 14 murders per month this year.

What hard data do you have?

I know enough to know that one month isn’t a good comparator.

How about 4 more months until the end of the year? If there are 4-8 murders a month instead of the 14/month we had from January to July will you admit it works? How long do you need?

DP butting in. Even if it works, how is it sustainable? Deploying the NG in DC costs $1 million a day. If they are the answer to DC‘s crime problems, please explain how their presence is sustainable.

The NYPD budget is almost $6 billion a year.

https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2024/03/056-NYPD.pdf

MPD’s budget for 2025 was more than $630 million.

https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publication/attachments/fa0_mpd_chapter_2025j.pdf

$1 million a day ($365 million) extra to cut the murder rate by half to three times less and have something approaching NYC’s murder rate is not a bad deal.

Maybe take into account the population of all of NYC vs the population of DC.

Yes, but the point is that DC already spends $630 million for MPD. What do they have to show for it?

There were 187 murders in DC 2024. There were 382 in NYC in 2024.

So while DC spends as much per capita as NYC on policing they have horrible results by comparison. During this Fed surge there have been 4 murders in 23 days. That’s around 5 murders a month. If you expand those kind of numbers to the entire year that’s 60 murders a year, which would be the lowest murder rate in DC in recorded history.

$365 million to save 125+ lives and have the lowest murder rate in recorded history in the nation’s capital is not a bad return on investment. The federal government spends billions on far less worthy causes.

Much of DC's issues are on the prosecution side: DC prosecutes and no papers at a much lower rate than NYC. Feds are not even getting more arrests than MPD. If you are a DC local, you know this. If you are one of the rando MAGAs who post here from other states (caught one idiot doxxing himself the other day), you do not understand that and the nuances.

Fix prosecution and save lots of money. I am happy that the admin is starting to address that part which is all they needed to do in the first place. Arrests do not matter one iota without fixing prosecution issues and on the back end, some of these arrested folks are being let go due to violation of search and seizure laws.

You can’t prosecute murders that do not happen. I’d rather have hundreds more people not die a year and LESS crime than have more murders and more crime but prosecute the perpetrators more efficiently and effectively.

The Fed surge is keeping murders from happening. The MPD updated there stats today and it is still 104 murders as of September 4. That is 4 murders between August 12 and September 4 in a city that was averaging 14 murders a month before the Feds came in. Those murder numbers are real and cannot be fudged. I’m not judging the change in crime based on every other crime stat that has been shown to be manipulated or underreported for political reasons in DC and other cities around the country in the past as well. Murder stats are the only thing people should put any faith in.

The show of force has more to do with fear of prosecution (to quote DC criminals, they historically avoided VA because "VA don't play" when it comes to crime). So staff up MPD and USAO.

But I do not want military presence for law enforcement as a permanent solution to crime. Slippery slope and quite expensive plus is off putting to our restaurant and tourism industries. Messy fed intervention harassing folks (like what happened at Coolidge HS this week causing utter chaos and more distrust of the feds) is not ideal. Also we have achieved a low murder rate in prior years just with basic policing and prosecution. I don't know why you favor expensive, short term solutions over efficient sustainable ones.

When did DC achieve a lower murder rate than having 4 murders in 24 days in the summer, which plays out to around 5-6 murders a month and between 60 and 72 murders a year?

Here is MPD data on murders from 1972 to 2002. The lowest number of murders in a year was 157 in 1985.

https://ocme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocme/publication/attachments/APPENDIX%20A%20-%2030%20year.pdf

2009-2014 was the best period for the murder rate, with 88 murders in 2012. Still not as good as the murder rate between August 12 and September 4, 2025. The bottom of this page shows murders by year 2005-2024.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

For reference, the 88 murders in 2012 was still horrible compared to the 419 people killed in New York City that year. DC had 635,700 people in 2012. New York City had 8.34 million. If New York City had DC’s murder rate that year they would have recorded more than 1,150 deaths, almost triple the murder rate of DC’s record low year. That’s how bad it is. Even a record low year in DC is three times as worse as New York City.

New York’s 2012 murder stats below.

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/murder_in_nyc_2012.pdf

So what's your point? The US should now be a military state? That's what you want? None one else wants that. We want our funding back so locals can do the job.

So the argument went from “the National Guard is doing nothing and crime is still the same” to “OMG Police State crime doesn’t matter give me my city back from MAGA goobers” when presented with cold hard stats. Interesting.

Hundreds more American citizens, mostly Black men, dying needless deaths every year disturbs me more than National Guard troops.

No it doesn’t disturb you at all. we all know you are on other threads saying George Floyd deserved it and that crime is a cultural issue among “the blacks.”

Are you 14? This is not a rhetorical question.

You are spiraling out to control when confronted with MPD data, huh? You don’t care if more Black people are murdered if it means that Trump looks bad, right? You are that heartless and evil. Just admit it.

You’re a racist sh*tstain and EVERYONE on this thread knows that.

You are a nut job in drastic need of a psychological help. Not joking.

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Anonymous wrote:There were five shootings Friday night! Trump’s crime fighters aren’t doing a good job. Let MPD do what they were doing before. Crime was coming down. Although as unemployment goes up and the economy gets worse, crime will increase.

BUT BUT BUT some jerkoff said Dump's police state is successfully lowering violent crime! Say it ain't so!

On August 11 there were 100 murders in 2025. As of September 2 there were 104. That’s an objectively big difference in the murder rate.

Exactly. Can’t argue with positive results.

Was downtown at Nationals game and no gang bangers in site, but saw NG 5 times, with weapons, and they were really nice, smiled and said hello. They seemed to be having a good time also.

If you think that is some kind of hard data you’re a big idiot. NG is patrolling safe areas to make a show of force that Trump controls us. It is disgusting and I feel violated and angry every time I see their ugly camo and absurd body armor.

Hard data is that there have been 4 murders since August 12, when the NG came in, in a city that was averaging more than 14 murders per month this year.

What hard data do you have?

I know enough to know that one month isn’t a good comparator.

How about 4 more months until the end of the year? If there are 4-8 murders a month instead of the 14/month we had from January to July will you admit it works? How long do you need?

DP butting in. Even if it works, how is it sustainable? Deploying the NG in DC costs $1 million a day. If they are the answer to DC‘s crime problems, please explain how their presence is sustainable.

The NYPD budget is almost $6 billion a year.

https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2024/03/056-NYPD.pdf

MPD’s budget for 2025 was more than $630 million.

https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publication/attachments/fa0_mpd_chapter_2025j.pdf

$1 million a day ($365 million) extra to cut the murder rate by half to three times less and have something approaching NYC’s murder rate is not a bad deal.

Maybe take into account the population of all of NYC vs the population of DC.

Yes, but the point is that DC already spends $630 million for MPD. What do they have to show for it?

There were 187 murders in DC 2024. There were 382 in NYC in 2024.

So while DC spends as much per capita as NYC on policing they have horrible results by comparison. During this Fed surge there have been 4 murders in 23 days. That’s around 5 murders a month. If you expand those kind of numbers to the entire year that’s 60 murders a year, which would be the lowest murder rate in DC in recorded history.

$365 million to save 125+ lives and have the lowest murder rate in recorded history in the nation’s capital is not a bad return on investment. The federal government spends billions on far less worthy causes.

Much of DC's issues are on the prosecution side: DC prosecutes and no papers at a much lower rate than NYC. Feds are not even getting more arrests than MPD. If you are a DC local, you know this. If you are one of the rando MAGAs who post here from other states (caught one idiot doxxing himself the other day), you do not understand that and the nuances.

Fix prosecution and save lots of money. I am happy that the admin is starting to address that part which is all they needed to do in the first place. Arrests do not matter one iota without fixing prosecution issues and on the back end, some of these arrested folks are being let go due to violation of search and seizure laws.

You can’t prosecute murders that do not happen. I’d rather have hundreds more people not die a year and LESS crime than have more murders and more crime but prosecute the perpetrators more efficiently and effectively.

The Fed surge is keeping murders from happening. The MPD updated there stats today and it is still 104 murders as of September 4. That is 4 murders between August 12 and September 4 in a city that was averaging 14 murders a month before the Feds came in. Those murder numbers are real and cannot be fudged. I’m not judging the change in crime based on every other crime stat that has been shown to be manipulated or underreported for political reasons in DC and other cities around the country in the past as well. Murder stats are the only thing people should put any faith in.

The show of force has more to do with fear of prosecution (to quote DC criminals, they historically avoided VA because "VA don't play" when it comes to crime). So staff up MPD and USAO.

But I do not want military presence for law enforcement as a permanent solution to crime. Slippery slope and quite expensive plus is off putting to our restaurant and tourism industries. Messy fed intervention harassing folks (like what happened at Coolidge HS this week causing utter chaos and more distrust of the feds) is not ideal. Also we have achieved a low murder rate in prior years just with basic policing and prosecution. I don't know why you favor expensive, short term solutions over efficient sustainable ones.

When did DC achieve a lower murder rate than having 4 murders in 24 days in the summer, which plays out to around 5-6 murders a month and between 60 and 72 murders a year?

Here is MPD data on murders from 1972 to 2002. The lowest number of murders in a year was 157 in 1985.

https://ocme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocme/publication/attachments/APPENDIX%20A%20-%2030%20year.pdf

2009-2014 was the best period for the murder rate, with 88 murders in 2012. Still not as good as the murder rate between August 12 and September 4, 2025. The bottom of this page shows murders by year 2005-2024.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

For reference, the 88 murders in 2012 was still horrible compared to the 419 people killed in New York City that year. DC had 635,700 people in 2012. New York City had 8.34 million. If New York City had DC’s murder rate that year they would have recorded more than 1,150 deaths, almost triple the murder rate of DC’s record low year. That’s how bad it is. Even a record low year in DC is three times as worse as New York City.

New York’s 2012 murder stats below.

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/murder_in_nyc_2012.pdf

So what's your point? The US should now be a military state? That's what you want? None one else wants that. We want our funding back so locals can do the job.

So the argument went from “the National Guard is doing nothing and crime is still the same” to “OMG Police State crime doesn’t matter give me my city back from MAGA goobers” when presented with cold hard stats. Interesting.

Hundreds more American citizens, mostly Black men, dying needless deaths every year disturbs me more than National Guard troops.

No it doesn’t disturb you at all. we all know you are on other threads saying George Floyd deserved it and that crime is a cultural issue among “the blacks.”

Are you 14? This is not a rhetorical question.

You are spiraling out to control when confronted with MPD data, huh? You don’t care if more Black people are murdered if it means that Trump looks bad, right? You are that heartless and evil. Just admit it.

You’re a racist sh*tstain and EVERYONE on this thread knows that.

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Anonymous wrote:The NG is placed in lower crime areas to free up more MPD officers to patrol the higher crime areas. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

This x 100. Less MPD working on game nights at Nationals Park and on weekends on U Street frees them up to go after the murderers and hard core criminals. This isn’t rocket science.

OMG. I can’t with you idiots.

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Anonymous wrote:There were five shootings Friday night! Trump’s crime fighters aren’t doing a good job. Let MPD do what they were doing before. Crime was coming down. Although as unemployment goes up and the economy gets worse, crime will increase.

BUT BUT BUT some jerkoff said Dump's police state is successfully lowering violent crime! Say it ain't so!

On August 11 there were 100 murders in 2025. As of September 2 there were 104. That’s an objectively big difference in the murder rate.

Exactly. Can’t argue with positive results.

Was downtown at Nationals game and no gang bangers in site, but saw NG 5 times, with weapons, and they were really nice, smiled and said hello. They seemed to be having a good time also.

If you think that is some kind of hard data you’re a big idiot. NG is patrolling safe areas to make a show of force that Trump controls us. It is disgusting and I feel violated and angry every time I see their ugly camo and absurd body armor.

Hard data is that there have been 4 murders since August 12, when the NG came in, in a city that was averaging more than 14 murders per month this year.

What hard data do you have?

I know enough to know that one month isn’t a good comparator.

How about 4 more months until the end of the year? If there are 4-8 murders a month instead of the 14/month we had from January to July will you admit it works? How long do you need?

DP butting in. Even if it works, how is it sustainable? Deploying the NG in DC costs $1 million a day. If they are the answer to DC‘s crime problems, please explain how their presence is sustainable.

The NYPD budget is almost $6 billion a year.

https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2024/03/056-NYPD.pdf

MPD’s budget for 2025 was more than $630 million.

https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publication/attachments/fa0_mpd_chapter_2025j.pdf

$1 million a day ($365 million) extra to cut the murder rate by half to three times less and have something approaching NYC’s murder rate is not a bad deal.

Maybe take into account the population of all of NYC vs the population of DC.

Yes, but the point is that DC already spends $630 million for MPD. What do they have to show for it?

There were 187 murders in DC 2024. There were 382 in NYC in 2024.

So while DC spends as much per capita as NYC on policing they have horrible results by comparison. During this Fed surge there have been 4 murders in 23 days. That’s around 5 murders a month. If you expand those kind of numbers to the entire year that’s 60 murders a year, which would be the lowest murder rate in DC in recorded history.

$365 million to save 125+ lives and have the lowest murder rate in recorded history in the nation’s capital is not a bad return on investment. The federal government spends billions on far less worthy causes.

Much of DC's issues are on the prosecution side: DC prosecutes and no papers at a much lower rate than NYC. Feds are not even getting more arrests than MPD. If you are a DC local, you know this. If you are one of the rando MAGAs who post here from other states (caught one idiot doxxing himself the other day), you do not understand that and the nuances.

Fix prosecution and save lots of money. I am happy that the admin is starting to address that part which is all they needed to do in the first place. Arrests do not matter one iota without fixing prosecution issues and on the back end, some of these arrested folks are being let go due to violation of search and seizure laws.

You can’t prosecute murders that do not happen. I’d rather have hundreds more people not die a year and LESS crime than have more murders and more crime but prosecute the perpetrators more efficiently and effectively.

The Fed surge is keeping murders from happening. The MPD updated there stats today and it is still 104 murders as of September 4. That is 4 murders between August 12 and September 4 in a city that was averaging 14 murders a month before the Feds came in. Those murder numbers are real and cannot be fudged. I’m not judging the change in crime based on every other crime stat that has been shown to be manipulated or underreported for political reasons in DC and other cities around the country in the past as well. Murder stats are the only thing people should put any faith in.

The show of force has more to do with fear of prosecution (to quote DC criminals, they historically avoided VA because "VA don't play" when it comes to crime). So staff up MPD and USAO.

But I do not want military presence for law enforcement as a permanent solution to crime. Slippery slope and quite expensive plus is off putting to our restaurant and tourism industries. Messy fed intervention harassing folks (like what happened at Coolidge HS this week causing utter chaos and more distrust of the feds) is not ideal. Also we have achieved a low murder rate in prior years just with basic policing and prosecution. I don't know why you favor expensive, short term solutions over efficient sustainable ones.

When did DC achieve a lower murder rate than having 4 murders in 24 days in the summer, which plays out to around 5-6 murders a month and between 60 and 72 murders a year?

Here is MPD data on murders from 1972 to 2002. The lowest number of murders in a year was 157 in 1985.

https://ocme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocme/publication/attachments/APPENDIX%20A%20-%2030%20year.pdf

2009-2014 was the best period for the murder rate, with 88 murders in 2012. Still not as good as the murder rate between August 12 and September 4, 2025. The bottom of this page shows murders by year 2005-2024.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

For reference, the 88 murders in 2012 was still horrible compared to the 419 people killed in New York City that year. DC had 635,700 people in 2012. New York City had 8.34 million. If New York City had DC’s murder rate that year they would have recorded more than 1,150 deaths, almost triple the murder rate of DC’s record low year. That’s how bad it is. Even a record low year in DC is three times as worse as New York City.

New York’s 2012 murder stats below.

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/murder_in_nyc_2012.pdf

So what's your point? The US should now be a military state? That's what you want? None one else wants that. We want our funding back so locals can do the job.

So the argument went from “the National Guard is doing nothing and crime is still the same” to “OMG Police State crime doesn’t matter give me my city back from MAGA goobers” when presented with cold hard stats. Interesting.

Hundreds more American citizens, mostly Black men, dying needless deaths every year disturbs me more than National Guard troops.

No it doesn’t disturb you at all. we all know you are on other threads saying George Floyd deserved it and that crime is a cultural issue among “the blacks.”

Are you 14? This is not a rhetorical question.

You are spiraling out to control when confronted with MPD data, huh? You don’t care if more Black people are murdered if it means that Trump looks bad, right? You are that heartless and evil. Just admit it.

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Anonymous wrote:There were five shootings Friday night! Trump’s crime fighters aren’t doing a good job. Let MPD do what they were doing before. Crime was coming down. Although as unemployment goes up and the economy gets worse, crime will increase.

BUT BUT BUT some jerkoff said Dump's police state is successfully lowering violent crime! Say it ain't so!

On August 11 there were 100 murders in 2025. As of September 2 there were 104. That’s an objectively big difference in the murder rate.

Exactly. Can’t argue with positive results.

Was downtown at Nationals game and no gang bangers in site, but saw NG 5 times, with weapons, and they were really nice, smiled and said hello. They seemed to be having a good time also.

If you think that is some kind of hard data you’re a big idiot. NG is patrolling safe areas to make a show of force that Trump controls us. It is disgusting and I feel violated and angry every time I see their ugly camo and absurd body armor.

Hard data is that there have been 4 murders since August 12, when the NG came in, in a city that was averaging more than 14 murders per month this year.

What hard data do you have?

I know enough to know that one month isn’t a good comparator.

How about 4 more months until the end of the year? If there are 4-8 murders a month instead of the 14/month we had from January to July will you admit it works? How long do you need?

DP butting in. Even if it works, how is it sustainable? Deploying the NG in DC costs $1 million a day. If they are the answer to DC‘s crime problems, please explain how their presence is sustainable.

The NYPD budget is almost $6 billion a year.

https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2024/03/056-NYPD.pdf

MPD’s budget for 2025 was more than $630 million.

https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publication/attachments/fa0_mpd_chapter_2025j.pdf

$1 million a day ($365 million) extra to cut the murder rate by half to three times less and have something approaching NYC’s murder rate is not a bad deal.

Maybe take into account the population of all of NYC vs the population of DC.

Yes, but the point is that DC already spends $630 million for MPD. What do they have to show for it?

There were 187 murders in DC 2024. There were 382 in NYC in 2024.

So while DC spends as much per capita as NYC on policing they have horrible results by comparison. During this Fed surge there have been 4 murders in 23 days. That’s around 5 murders a month. If you expand those kind of numbers to the entire year that’s 60 murders a year, which would be the lowest murder rate in DC in recorded history.

$365 million to save 125+ lives and have the lowest murder rate in recorded history in the nation’s capital is not a bad return on investment. The federal government spends billions on far less worthy causes.

Much of DC's issues are on the prosecution side: DC prosecutes and no papers at a much lower rate than NYC. Feds are not even getting more arrests than MPD. If you are a DC local, you know this. If you are one of the rando MAGAs who post here from other states (caught one idiot doxxing himself the other day), you do not understand that and the nuances.

Fix prosecution and save lots of money. I am happy that the admin is starting to address that part which is all they needed to do in the first place. Arrests do not matter one iota without fixing prosecution issues and on the back end, some of these arrested folks are being let go due to violation of search and seizure laws.

You can’t prosecute murders that do not happen. I’d rather have hundreds more people not die a year and LESS crime than have more murders and more crime but prosecute the perpetrators more efficiently and effectively.

The Fed surge is keeping murders from happening. The MPD updated there stats today and it is still 104 murders as of September 4. That is 4 murders between August 12 and September 4 in a city that was averaging 14 murders a month before the Feds came in. Those murder numbers are real and cannot be fudged. I’m not judging the change in crime based on every other crime stat that has been shown to be manipulated or underreported for political reasons in DC and other cities around the country in the past as well. Murder stats are the only thing people should put any faith in.

The show of force has more to do with fear of prosecution (to quote DC criminals, they historically avoided VA because "VA don't play" when it comes to crime). So staff up MPD and USAO.

But I do not want military presence for law enforcement as a permanent solution to crime. Slippery slope and quite expensive plus is off putting to our restaurant and tourism industries. Messy fed intervention harassing folks (like what happened at Coolidge HS this week causing utter chaos and more distrust of the feds) is not ideal. Also we have achieved a low murder rate in prior years just with basic policing and prosecution. I don't know why you favor expensive, short term solutions over efficient sustainable ones.

When did DC achieve a lower murder rate than having 4 murders in 24 days in the summer, which plays out to around 5-6 murders a month and between 60 and 72 murders a year?

Here is MPD data on murders from 1972 to 2002. The lowest number of murders in a year was 157 in 1985.

https://ocme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocme/publication/attachments/APPENDIX%20A%20-%2030%20year.pdf

2009-2014 was the best period for the murder rate, with 88 murders in 2012. Still not as good as the murder rate between August 12 and September 4, 2025. The bottom of this page shows murders by year 2005-2024.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

For reference, the 88 murders in 2012 was still horrible compared to the 419 people killed in New York City that year. DC had 635,700 people in 2012. New York City had 8.34 million. If New York City had DC’s murder rate that year they would have recorded more than 1,150 deaths, almost triple the murder rate of DC’s record low year. That’s how bad it is. Even a record low year in DC is three times as worse as New York City.

New York’s 2012 murder stats below.

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/murder_in_nyc_2012.pdf

So what's your point? The US should now be a military state? That's what you want? None one else wants that. We want our funding back so locals can do the job.

So the argument went from “the National Guard is doing nothing and crime is still the same” to “OMG Police State crime doesn’t matter give me my city back from MAGA goobers” when presented with cold hard stats. Interesting.

Hundreds more American citizens, mostly Black men, dying needless deaths every year disturbs me more than National Guard troops.

No it doesn’t disturb you at all. we all know you are on other threads saying George Floyd deserved it and that crime is a cultural issue among “the blacks.”

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Anonymous wrote:The NG is placed in lower crime areas to free up more MPD officers to patrol the higher crime areas. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

Try again Jeb. They are placed where there is zero crime and no need for foot patrol. It is 100 a MAGA show of force. Trump aspires to be Duterte.

Again. 4 murders in 24 days. Next.

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Anonymous wrote:The NG is placed in lower crime areas to free up more MPD officers to patrol the higher crime areas. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

This x 100. Less MPD working on game nights at Nationals Park and on weekends on U Street frees them up to go after the murderers and hard core criminals. This isn’t rocket science.

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Anonymous wrote:The NG is placed in lower crime areas to free up more MPD officers to patrol the higher crime areas. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

Try again Jeb. They are placed where there is zero crime and no need for foot patrol. It is 100 a MAGA show of force. Trump aspires to be Duterte.