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No, apparently they tested some water and found toxic algae, but as yet there’s no indication that that played any role. They may be unrelated - like when people go to the ER after a car crash and the scanner picks up cancer.

Honestly, after watching last years insanity with playgrounds around here closed all summer 2020 despite the early knowledge that covid didn’t really spread outdoors, I no longer assume that actions taken in response to potential threats are always proportionate. Even closing for algae found in a single spot seems kind of nuts for a trail that’s currently in little use. It only makes sense if they think there were major hazards on the trail itself that couldn’t be avoided with a warning. And they haven’t said anything like that.

The toxic algae was already known and warning signs were already posted. You're "apparently" is inaccurate. It's good to see that you've moved on from blaming the family or accusing them of murder suicide.

These are scores of us posting here, PP. You are not the thread police. If you don’t like this thread, move along.

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No, apparently they tested some water and found toxic algae, but as yet there’s no indication that that played any role. They may be unrelated - like when people go to the ER after a car crash and the scanner picks up cancer.

Honestly, after watching last years insanity with playgrounds around here closed all summer 2020 despite the early knowledge that covid didn’t really spread outdoors, I no longer assume that actions taken in response to potential threats are always proportionate. Even closing for algae found in a single spot seems kind of nuts for a trail that’s currently in little use. It only makes sense if they think there were major hazards on the trail itself that couldn’t be avoided with a warning. And they haven’t said anything like that.

The toxic algae was already known and warning signs were already posted. You're "apparently" is inaccurate. It's good to see that you've moved on from blaming the family or accusing them of murder suicide.

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No, apparently they tested some water and found toxic algae, but as yet there’s no indication that that played any role. They may be unrelated - like when people go to the ER after a car crash and the scanner picks up cancer.

Honestly, after watching last years insanity with playgrounds around here closed all summer 2020 despite the early knowledge that covid didn’t really spread outdoors, I no longer assume that actions taken in response to potential threats are always proportionate. Even closing for algae found in a single spot seems kind of nuts for a trail that’s currently in little use. It only makes sense if they think there were major hazards on the trail itself that couldn’t be avoided with a warning. And they haven’t said anything like that.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok... New theory.
So, it's an 8 mile hike. Say around mile 5 mom starts to get heat exhaustion. Tried, dizzy, nauseous. Pretty soon she's weak and/or passes out.
It's still quickest to keep going, so, Dad has to support or carry mom along with baby.
Eventually, say around mile 6, he can't support them both, (or she fully passes out).
So, he sets down the baby in the pack, carries mom 100 yards, sets her down, goes back, carries baby to mom. Sets down baby, carries mom another hundred yards, goes back for baby. A half mile of that he's exhausted, he sets mom down, goes to get baby
Sits down next to baby to rest and succumbs to heat stroke.

That would explain placement and different times to succumb to heat stroke.

Ugghh, writing this out sounds awful.i think murder suicide. Would be a better way to go..

This is compelling.

No, it's bizarre, ghoulish, and makes no sense, given the facts.

Yeah. I don’t know why people think heatstroke is unbelievable. It makes the most sense. Simplest explanation. No more bizarre than their decision to do this hike in these conditions in the first place.

Heat stroke is unbelievable because the officials who are there do not believe it. I'm not going to second guess them.

No the officials who are there are just doing their job which is to explore/rule out all possibilities. That doesn’t mean they don’t believe it was heat stroke.

The park officials didn't close the forest including trails and picnic areas because of heat stroke.

+1

Anonymous wrote:I went to the Mariposa Sheriff website to see if there was any announcements. It led me to their Facebook page which has an interesting discussion thread. Locals talking about what possibly happened. Someone said there are illegal grows, and trip lines to protect them. If any of the family accidentally stepped on it, chemicals will spray on them. Not sure how true that is. Then this is waa sweet post by a realtor that helped Jon find his home.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4617475074943708&id=152897558068171&m_entstream_source=timeline&__tn__=%2As%2As-R

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Anonymous wrote:Ok... New theory.
So, it's an 8 mile hike. Say around mile 5 mom starts to get heat exhaustion. Tried, dizzy, nauseous. Pretty soon she's weak and/or passes out.
It's still quickest to keep going, so, Dad has to support or carry mom along with baby.
Eventually, say around mile 6, he can't support them both, (or she fully passes out).
So, he sets down the baby in the pack, carries mom 100 yards, sets her down, goes back, carries baby to mom. Sets down baby, carries mom another hundred yards, goes back for baby. A half mile of that he's exhausted, he sets mom down, goes to get baby
Sits down next to baby to rest and succumbs to heat stroke.

That would explain placement and different times to succumb to heat stroke.

Ugghh, writing this out sounds awful.i think murder suicide. Would be a better way to go..

This is compelling.

No, it's bizarre, ghoulish, and makes no sense, given the facts.

Yeah. I don’t know why people think heatstroke is unbelievable. It makes the most sense. Simplest explanation. No more bizarre than their decision to do this hike in these conditions in the first place.

Heat stroke is unbelievable because the officials who are there do not believe it. I'm not going to second guess them.

Anonymous wrote:Reading the comments from friends in the two PP links leads me to think it wasn’t FA. They seemed to love their baby and life and new home in Mariposa. They bought a lot of vacation rentals too. Doesn’t seem like the actions of someone not living for the future.

Anonymous wrote:It’s called Devil’s Gulch? Isn’t it implicit?

Anonymous wrote:FA makes no sense—if you’re going to off yourself you do it at the nice place by the river. You don’t force yourself to walk uphill for 4 miles in 100 degree heat before offing yourself. That’s ridiculous.

They closed the trials because they don’t want a bunch of press or looky loos getting stuck on a very dangerous trail during heat wave conditions.