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Anonymous wrote:There were also claw marks on her neck (the size of her fingernails) and her own DNA was found under her fingernails, so she was not only alive at the time of her strangulation, but she was alert and fighting to get the rope off her neck. This was a terrible, horrific sex crime most likely perpetrated by an intruder.

Nope, this is no correct. She was brain dead before the strangulation.

Not that poster but there are conflicting reports. I've watched 3 separate specials and poked around online and some accounts say strangulation was first. And that as this PP said there is evidence she clawed at the ropes.

The whole pedophile ring theory I've been reading is intriguing as well.

There is absolutely zero evidence in the autopsy report that she clawed at the ropes or struggled with her killer.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&ved=0ahUKEwj5m6K-6a3PAhUlyoMKHTRUDHQ4ChAWCCgwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhosted.ap.org%2Fspecials%2Finteractives%2F_national%2Fjonbenet_ramsey%2Fjonbenet_ramsey_autopsy.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHmcSvA48jzO_cjZUGbAGJIKd8CuQ&bvm=bv.133700528,d.amc&cad=rja

Actually looks like there is disagreement between detective smit and Thomas on what came first. The autopsy says there are abrasions so can't tell where it conclusively concludes she didn't

http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/2001/03lrams.html

The report is clear. She had an abrasion around the ligature, but she did not have abrasions that ran across that ligature line. She wasn't clawing at the rope.

Don't want to argue, but it does seem like there is legit disagreement about whether or not strangulation came first, and there are reports elsewhere that she had her own skin under fingernails which led some to believe she clawed the rope.

I'm just not sure the report that I read from google that you linked to is definitive enough on that.

I have never seen any report indicate that there was any skin from anyone under JonBenet's fingernails. If she was clawing at her neck you would expect that to have been noted in the autopsy report. And if it was noted in the report than the Pathologist Spitz would have mentioned that.

Those were not claw marks around her neck. She was brain dead when the ligature was applied.

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Anonymous wrote:There were also claw marks on her neck (the size of her fingernails) and her own DNA was found under her fingernails, so she was not only alive at the time of her strangulation, but she was alert and fighting to get the rope off her neck. This was a terrible, horrific sex crime most likely perpetrated by an intruder.

Nope, this is no correct. She was brain dead before the strangulation.

Not that poster but there are conflicting reports. I've watched 3 separate specials and poked around online and some accounts say strangulation was first. And that as this PP said there is evidence she clawed at the ropes.

The whole pedophile ring theory I've been reading is intriguing as well.

There is absolutely zero evidence in the autopsy report that she clawed at the ropes or struggled with her killer.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&ved=0ahUKEwj5m6K-6a3PAhUlyoMKHTRUDHQ4ChAWCCgwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhosted.ap.org%2Fspecials%2Finteractives%2F_national%2Fjonbenet_ramsey%2Fjonbenet_ramsey_autopsy.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHmcSvA48jzO_cjZUGbAGJIKd8CuQ&bvm=bv.133700528,d.amc&cad=rja

Actually looks like there is disagreement between detective smit and Thomas on what came first. The autopsy says there are abrasions so can't tell where it conclusively concludes she didn't

http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/2001/03lrams.html

The report is clear. She had an abrasion around the ligature, but she did not have abrasions that ran across that ligature line. She wasn't clawing at the rope.

Don't want to argue, but it does seem like there is legit disagreement about whether or not strangulation came first, and there are reports elsewhere that she had her own skin under fingernails which led some to believe she clawed the rope.

I'm just not sure the report that I read from google that you linked to is definitive enough on that.

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Anonymous wrote:There were also claw marks on her neck (the size of her fingernails) and her own DNA was found under her fingernails, so she was not only alive at the time of her strangulation, but she was alert and fighting to get the rope off her neck. This was a terrible, horrific sex crime most likely perpetrated by an intruder.

Nope, this is no correct. She was brain dead before the strangulation.

Not that poster but there are conflicting reports. I've watched 3 separate specials and poked around online and some accounts say strangulation was first. And that as this PP said there is evidence she clawed at the ropes.

The whole pedophile ring theory I've been reading is intriguing as well.

There is absolutely zero evidence in the autopsy report that she clawed at the ropes or struggled with her killer.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&ved=0ahUKEwj5m6K-6a3PAhUlyoMKHTRUDHQ4ChAWCCgwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhosted.ap.org%2Fspecials%2Finteractives%2F_national%2Fjonbenet_ramsey%2Fjonbenet_ramsey_autopsy.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHmcSvA48jzO_cjZUGbAGJIKd8CuQ&bvm=bv.133700528,d.amc&cad=rja

Actually looks like there is disagreement between detective smit and Thomas on what came first. The autopsy says there are abrasions so can't tell where it conclusively concludes she didn't

http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/2001/03lrams.html

The report is clear. She had an abrasion around the ligature, but she did not have abrasions that ran across that ligature line. She wasn't clawing at the rope.

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Anonymous wrote:There were also claw marks on her neck (the size of her fingernails) and her own DNA was found under her fingernails, so she was not only alive at the time of her strangulation, but she was alert and fighting to get the rope off her neck. This was a terrible, horrific sex crime most likely perpetrated by an intruder.

Nope, this is no correct. She was brain dead before the strangulation.

Not that poster but there are conflicting reports. I've watched 3 separate specials and poked around online and some accounts say strangulation was first. And that as this PP said there is evidence she clawed at the ropes.

The whole pedophile ring theory I've been reading is intriguing as well.

There is absolutely zero evidence in the autopsy report that she clawed at the ropes or struggled with her killer.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&ved=0ahUKEwj5m6K-6a3PAhUlyoMKHTRUDHQ4ChAWCCgwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhosted.ap.org%2Fspecials%2Finteractives%2F_national%2Fjonbenet_ramsey%2Fjonbenet_ramsey_autopsy.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHmcSvA48jzO_cjZUGbAGJIKd8CuQ&bvm=bv.133700528,d.amc&cad=rja

Actually looks like there is disagreement between detective smit and Thomas on what came first. The autopsy says there are abrasions so can't tell where it conclusively concludes she didn't

http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/2001/03lrams.html

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Anonymous wrote:Did John ever go back to work after the murder?

His business never recovered. Too much bad press. He sold his three homes, boat, plane, and burned through savings and retirement. He says he has done a little consulting. I know they wrote a book and he stays busy with a website he started to further DNA registries to solve crimes.

Did he have an expensive multi-million dollar jet or just like a Cessna?

His business was acquired before the murder. He just stayed on in a leadership role.

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Anonymous wrote:There were also claw marks on her neck (the size of her fingernails) and her own DNA was found under her fingernails, so she was not only alive at the time of her strangulation, but she was alert and fighting to get the rope off her neck. This was a terrible, horrific sex crime most likely perpetrated by an intruder.

Nope, this is no correct. She was brain dead before the strangulation.

Not that poster but there are conflicting reports. I've watched 3 separate specials and poked around online and some accounts say strangulation was first. And that as this PP said there is evidence she clawed at the ropes.

The whole pedophile ring theory I've been reading is intriguing as well.

There is absolutely zero evidence in the autopsy report that she clawed at the ropes or struggled with her killer.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&ved=0ahUKEwj5m6K-6a3PAhUlyoMKHTRUDHQ4ChAWCCgwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhosted.ap.org%2Fspecials%2Finteractives%2F_national%2Fjonbenet_ramsey%2Fjonbenet_ramsey_autopsy.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHmcSvA48jzO_cjZUGbAGJIKd8CuQ&bvm=bv.133700528,d.amc&cad=rja

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Anonymous wrote:Was the CBS special the last of the Jonbenet shows or are there more coming up?

As far as I know, it's the last. But it is clearly the best. They had the best scientific specialists through the decades from JFK to OJ.

Even Kim Kardashian tweeted today about how good the show is.

Yes, that intellectual powerhouse, Kim K., thought it was great.

Ha. I'm not a Kim K fan but I don't think that you have to have a PHD to see what a good documentary that was. It's interesting to know that Kim K watched it.

More likely Kim K. got paid to promote it. She doesn't post that stuff for free.

Anonymous wrote:There is no way you call a bunch of neighbors to your house if someone is threatening to behead your child. Zero chance.

She did that so she would have distractions from the police questioning.

I'm not so sure. The Ramsey's had major boundary issues. Giving their key to anyone and everyone, not locking the house (there were windows open so that that Christmas decoration extension cords could go through - can't imagine what their heating bill was like).

She told the Whites when she called to call the FBI, so she might have been trying to leverage the power of the other elite folks in town.

Also, many people in the house were "victim's advocates" sent by the police - they bought the bagels, and so helpfully cleaned the kitchen which was horrible for any evidence gathering.

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Anonymous wrote:Was the CBS special the last of the Jonbenet shows or are there more coming up?

As far as I know, it's the last. But it is clearly the best. They had the best scientific specialists through the decades from JFK to OJ.

Even Kim Kardashian tweeted today about how good the show is.

Huh? Really? It was so cheesy.

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Anonymous wrote:Did John ever go back to work after the murder?

His business never recovered. Too much bad press. He sold his three homes, boat, plane, and burned through savings and retirement. He says he has done a little consulting. I know they wrote a book and he stays busy with a website he started to further DNA registries to solve crimes.

Did he have an expensive multi-million dollar jet or just like a Cessna?

Anonymous wrote:There is no way you call a bunch of neighbors to your house if someone is threatening to behead your child. Zero chance.

She did that so she would have distractions from the police questioning.

Yes. They wanted to get Burke whisked away from the questioning and Patsy was surrounded by friends and too distraught to talk to investigators.

There is no way you call a bunch of neighbors to your house if someone is threatening to behead your child. Zero chance.

She did that so she would have distractions from the police questioning.

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Anonymous wrote:Was the CBS special the last of the Jonbenet shows or are there more coming up?

As far as I know, it's the last. But it is clearly the best. They had the best scientific specialists through the decades from JFK to OJ.

Even Kim Kardashian tweeted today about how good the show is.

Yes, that intellectual powerhouse, Kim K., thought it was great.

Ha. I'm not a Kim K fan but I don't think that you have to have a PHD to see what a good documentary that was. It's interesting to know that Kim K watched it.

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Anonymous wrote:Was the CBS special the last of the Jonbenet shows or are there more coming up?

As far as I know, it's the last. But it is clearly the best. They had the best scientific specialists through the decades from JFK to OJ.

Even Kim Kardashian tweeted today about how good the show is.

Yes, that intellectual powerhouse, Kim K., thought it was great.

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Anonymous wrote:Was the CBS special the last of the Jonbenet shows or are there more coming up?

As far as I know, it's the last. But it is clearly the best. They had the best scientific specialists through the decades from JFK to OJ.

Even Kim Kardashian tweeted today about how good the show is.

There is a Lifetime movie coming out - not so much for the fact lovers among us but should be plenty of cheesy drama.