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Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

I agree somewhat. The Dems are in a losing position like the GOP was during the Obama administration when the ACA passed. The GOP offered no better ideas and the Dems came out looking good. Now the shoe is on the other BUT the Dems could drop the rope in this tug of war and let the GOP land on its keester. Instead, hardline partisan politics on both sides will hurt the electorate by holding up the budget. SMH

While the GOP got the blame for the 2013 shutdown, they did quite well in the 2014 midterms. I suppose today's Dems are looking toward a similar outcome.

I think continuing to dig in will backfire on the Dems. They will be seen more like MAGA / GOP on this one. Bity will be seen as focusing too much on the feud between them and forgetting they are supposed to working for the American people.

The Democrats have been very clear that this is about healthcare access and the ACA subsidies. People are finding out now (see the article on Idaho below) and through the next couple of weeks why this matters.

This is exactly the right time for them to hold fast, both morally and politically.

Idaho kicks off Affordable Care Act open enrollment as premiums are set to rise nationwide
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/idaho-kicks-affordable-care-act-open-enrollment-premiums-are-set-rise-rcna237298

Many Idahoans will have to decide whether they’ll be able to afford coverage once the enhanced subsidies that kept premiums lower for many middle-class families expire at the end of the year.

Bob McMichael, 63, and his wife, Leslie, 62, already know they won’t.

Both are retired and make about $42,000 a year. They currently pay $51 a month for their ACA plan. Late last month, they got a notice that their monthly premium would increase to $2,232 next year without the subsidies.

Gideon Lukens, a senior fellow and director of research and data analysis on the health policy team at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a nonpartisan research group, said that a 60-year-old couple earning $85,000 a year in Idaho could see about a $1,500 increase in their monthly out-of-pocket premiums.

Everyone should have access to affordable health care but there should be some accountability. The guy in the article is a 63 year old retired teacher who retired at age 60 and his wife is 60. Something doesn’t make sense that they would only pay $51 a month for health care. So an article explains:

“McMichael, 63, retired three years ago. After retirement, he said he and his wife were on Medicaid expansion — until she tapped into Social Security early, and they earned too much to qualify. Then they got on an insurance plan through the exchange.

McMichael said he’ll have to wait until open enrollment to see if there’s other insurance that’s affordable…

He said he and his wife are pretty healthy; they aren’t on routine prescriptions, and don’t have serious illnesses.”

I work in education and most teachers often don’t retire until 65 because they have to wait to be eligible for Medicare. And to be fully eligible for SS you have to be 67. Retiring at 60 and the wife was 59 is unfortunately a luxury in this country.

So what happens reading articles like this is it causes resentment that some middle class people are still having to work and pay thousands for crappy insurance while others retire early and pay $51 a month.

The system is set up so the rich get richer, private equity gobbles up more and more healthcare dollars, the poor get subsidies, while the middle class pays expensive premiums, costly deductibles, and has long waits to actually see a health care provider (who is no longer a MD but a new PA or NP).

So middle class Trump supporters blame the poor and want them not to have better health care instead of realizing the massive wealth inequity in this country that is run by oligarchs.

Anonymous wrote:It's NOT about "free shit for illegals." Never was. That's been a GOP lie from the start, as illegals are SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED.

The Democrat bill cancels the provision from the Republican bill that threw out illegals.

TPS, DACA, parole, are all illegal, but included in health care.

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Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

I agree somewhat. The Dems are in a losing position like the GOP was during the Obama administration when the ACA passed. The GOP offered no better ideas and the Dems came out looking good. Now the shoe is on the other BUT the Dems could drop the rope in this tug of war and let the GOP land on its keester. Instead, hardline partisan politics on both sides will hurt the electorate by holding up the budget. SMH

While the GOP got the blame for the 2013 shutdown, they did quite well in the 2014 midterms. I suppose today's Dems are looking toward a similar outcome.

Yes, as people saw their health insurance canceled, they remembered Republicans shut down the government in opposition.
Now Democrats will get credit as their premiums rise.
The problem is, Democrats don't know how to end the shutdown now they've made their point. They have to be against Trump, and Schumer will pay the price if he caves.
With Republicans, McConnell always had a carefully crafted failure theater-'We just don't have the votes.'
Schumer doesn't have a large enough moderate group who can 'defy' the leadership.
Meanwhile, Trump is gleefully using the shutdown to shut programs and fire people.

Trump was already gleefully, shutting down the government and firing people. Did you miss the entire Musk wielding a chainsaw episode?

I don’t think anybody knows what the “right strategy“ is. But now the Democrats have gone down this route and are finally showing some backbone we should be celebrating and supporting them.

Fight the battle you’re in not the one you want to have.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

I agree somewhat. The Dems are in a losing position like the GOP was during the Obama administration when the ACA passed. The GOP offered no better ideas and the Dems came out looking good. Now the shoe is on the other BUT the Dems could drop the rope in this tug of war and let the GOP land on its keester. Instead, hardline partisan politics on both sides will hurt the electorate by holding up the budget. SMH

While the GOP got the blame for the 2013 shutdown, they did quite well in the 2014 midterms. I suppose today's Dems are looking toward a similar outcome.

I think continuing to dig in will backfire on the Dems. They will be seen more like MAGA / GOP on this one. Bity will be seen as focusing too much on the feud between them and forgetting they are supposed to working for the American people.

I don’t think so. What are the R’s talking about now? Building ballrooms and arcs for Trump. How to get him the nobel peace prize. The R’s are the most unserious and unqualified. They were elected to represent the people and they are failing miserably.

The ballroom and arch are crap, but those projects will be lost in the shuffle.

Isn’t MTG about to relent over healthcare? Do we really want her to be seen as the rational one here pushing Congress to end the shutdown?

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Which ones were the "democrat programs," again?

The ones that help Americans.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

I agree somewhat. The Dems are in a losing position like the GOP was during the Obama administration when the ACA passed. The GOP offered no better ideas and the Dems came out looking good. Now the shoe is on the other BUT the Dems could drop the rope in this tug of war and let the GOP land on its keester. Instead, hardline partisan politics on both sides will hurt the electorate by holding up the budget. SMH

While the GOP got the blame for the 2013 shutdown, they did quite well in the 2014 midterms. I suppose today's Dems are looking toward a similar outcome.

I think continuing to dig in will backfire on the Dems. They will be seen more like MAGA / GOP on this one. Bity will be seen as focusing too much on the feud between them and forgetting they are supposed to working for the American people.

The Democrats have been very clear that this is about healthcare access and the ACA subsidies. People are finding out now (see the article on Idaho below) and through the next couple of weeks why this matters.

This is exactly the right time for them to hold fast, both morally and politically.

Idaho kicks off Affordable Care Act open enrollment as premiums are set to rise nationwide
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/idaho-kicks-affordable-care-act-open-enrollment-premiums-are-set-rise-rcna237298

Many Idahoans will have to decide whether they’ll be able to afford coverage once the enhanced subsidies that kept premiums lower for many middle-class families expire at the end of the year.

Bob McMichael, 63, and his wife, Leslie, 62, already know they won’t.

Both are retired and make about $42,000 a year. They currently pay $51 a month for their ACA plan. Late last month, they got a notice that their monthly premium would increase to $2,232 next year without the subsidies.

Gideon Lukens, a senior fellow and director of research and data analysis on the health policy team at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a nonpartisan research group, said that a 60-year-old couple earning $85,000 a year in Idaho could see about a $1,500 increase in their monthly out-of-pocket premiums.

As a reminder, THIS is what it's about ⬆️

It's NOT about "free shit for illegals." Never was. That's been a GOP lie from the start, as illegals are SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED.

Nor is it "an additonal $1.5 trillion in spending for Democrat programs." It's not "new" - it's an extension of existing programs, nor is it for "Democrats."

And it's not just some leftist hyperbole. It's real and it's already starting to hit - in red states like Idaho.



Snap out of it, Republicans. You are being lied to. That's now a proven fact, just look at Idaho.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

I agree somewhat. The Dems are in a losing position like the GOP was during the Obama administration when the ACA passed. The GOP offered no better ideas and the Dems came out looking good. Now the shoe is on the other BUT the Dems could drop the rope in this tug of war and let the GOP land on its keester. Instead, hardline partisan politics on both sides will hurt the electorate by holding up the budget. SMH

While the GOP got the blame for the 2013 shutdown, they did quite well in the 2014 midterms. I suppose today's Dems are looking toward a similar outcome.

Yes, as people saw their health insurance canceled, they remembered Republicans shut down the government in opposition.
Now Democrats will get credit as their premiums rise.
The problem is, Democrats don't know how to end the shutdown now they've made their point. They have to be against Trump, and Schumer will pay the price if he caves.
With Republicans, McConnell always had a carefully crafted failure theater-'We just don't have the votes.'
Schumer doesn't have a large enough moderate group who can 'defy' the leadership.
Meanwhile, Trump is gleefully using the shutdown to shut programs and fire people.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

I agree somewhat. The Dems are in a losing position like the GOP was during the Obama administration when the ACA passed. The GOP offered no better ideas and the Dems came out looking good. Now the shoe is on the other BUT the Dems could drop the rope in this tug of war and let the GOP land on its keester. Instead, hardline partisan politics on both sides will hurt the electorate by holding up the budget. SMH

While the GOP got the blame for the 2013 shutdown, they did quite well in the 2014 midterms. I suppose today's Dems are looking toward a similar outcome.

I think continuing to dig in will backfire on the Dems. They will be seen more like MAGA / GOP on this one. Bity will be seen as focusing too much on the feud between them and forgetting they are supposed to working for the American people.

The Democrats have been very clear that this is about healthcare access and the ACA subsidies. People are finding out now (see the article on Idaho below) and through the next couple of weeks why this matters.

This is exactly the right time for them to hold fast, both morally and politically.

Idaho kicks off Affordable Care Act open enrollment as premiums are set to rise nationwide
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/idaho-kicks-affordable-care-act-open-enrollment-premiums-are-set-rise-rcna237298

Many Idahoans will have to decide whether they’ll be able to afford coverage once the enhanced subsidies that kept premiums lower for many middle-class families expire at the end of the year.

Bob McMichael, 63, and his wife, Leslie, 62, already know they won’t.

Both are retired and make about $42,000 a year. They currently pay $51 a month for their ACA plan. Late last month, they got a notice that their monthly premium would increase to $2,232 next year without the subsidies.

Gideon Lukens, a senior fellow and director of research and data analysis on the health policy team at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a nonpartisan research group, said that a 60-year-old couple earning $85,000 a year in Idaho could see about a $1,500 increase in their monthly out-of-pocket premiums.

Yep, once people start getting their notices about their health insurances, they are going to be upset. Jeff put up a good post about this a few days ago. Republicans are going to look awful for not caring about this huge cost increase for Americans.

Which ones were the "democrat programs," again?

Have we discussed how Trump is targeting democrat programs to terminate employees?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

I agree somewhat. The Dems are in a losing position like the GOP was during the Obama administration when the ACA passed. The GOP offered no better ideas and the Dems came out looking good. Now the shoe is on the other BUT the Dems could drop the rope in this tug of war and let the GOP land on its keester. Instead, hardline partisan politics on both sides will hurt the electorate by holding up the budget. SMH

While the GOP got the blame for the 2013 shutdown, they did quite well in the 2014 midterms. I suppose today's Dems are looking toward a similar outcome.

I think continuing to dig in will backfire on the Dems. They will be seen more like MAGA / GOP on this one. Bity will be seen as focusing too much on the feud between them and forgetting they are supposed to working for the American people.

The Democrats have been very clear that this is about healthcare access and the ACA subsidies. People are finding out now (see the article on Idaho below) and through the next couple of weeks why this matters.

This is exactly the right time for them to hold fast, both morally and politically.

Idaho kicks off Affordable Care Act open enrollment as premiums are set to rise nationwide
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/idaho-kicks-affordable-care-act-open-enrollment-premiums-are-set-rise-rcna237298

Many Idahoans will have to decide whether they’ll be able to afford coverage once the enhanced subsidies that kept premiums lower for many middle-class families expire at the end of the year.

Bob McMichael, 63, and his wife, Leslie, 62, already know they won’t.

Both are retired and make about $42,000 a year. They currently pay $51 a month for their ACA plan. Late last month, they got a notice that their monthly premium would increase to $2,232 next year without the subsidies.

Gideon Lukens, a senior fellow and director of research and data analysis on the health policy team at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a nonpartisan research group, said that a 60-year-old couple earning $85,000 a year in Idaho could see about a $1,500 increase in their monthly out-of-pocket premiums.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

I agree somewhat. The Dems are in a losing position like the GOP was during the Obama administration when the ACA passed. The GOP offered no better ideas and the Dems came out looking good. Now the shoe is on the other BUT the Dems could drop the rope in this tug of war and let the GOP land on its keester. Instead, hardline partisan politics on both sides will hurt the electorate by holding up the budget. SMH

While the GOP got the blame for the 2013 shutdown, they did quite well in the 2014 midterms. I suppose today's Dems are looking toward a similar outcome.

I think continuing to dig in will backfire on the Dems. They will be seen more like MAGA / GOP on this one. Bity will be seen as focusing too much on the feud between them and forgetting they are supposed to working for the American people.

I don’t think so. What are the R’s talking about now? Building ballrooms and arcs for Trump. How to get him the nobel peace prize. The R’s are the most unserious and unqualified. They were elected to represent the people and they are failing miserably.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

I agree somewhat. The Dems are in a losing position like the GOP was during the Obama administration when the ACA passed. The GOP offered no better ideas and the Dems came out looking good. Now the shoe is on the other BUT the Dems could drop the rope in this tug of war and let the GOP land on its keester. Instead, hardline partisan politics on both sides will hurt the electorate by holding up the budget. SMH

While the GOP got the blame for the 2013 shutdown, they did quite well in the 2014 midterms. I suppose today's Dems are looking toward a similar outcome.

I think continuing to dig in will backfire on the Dems. They will be seen more like MAGA / GOP on this one. Bity will be seen as focusing too much on the feud between them and forgetting they are supposed to working for the American people.

Nah. Trump is hugely unpopular except with the brainwashed MAGA. It isn’t looking good for the GOP, which is why they’re desperately trying to rig the next election.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

I agree somewhat. The Dems are in a losing position like the GOP was during the Obama administration when the ACA passed. The GOP offered no better ideas and the Dems came out looking good. Now the shoe is on the other BUT the Dems could drop the rope in this tug of war and let the GOP land on its keester. Instead, hardline partisan politics on both sides will hurt the electorate by holding up the budget. SMH

While the GOP got the blame for the 2013 shutdown, they did quite well in the 2014 midterms. I suppose today's Dems are looking toward a similar outcome.

I think continuing to dig in will backfire on the Dems. They will be seen more like MAGA / GOP on this one. Bity will be seen as focusing too much on the feud between them and forgetting they are supposed to working for the American people.

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Anonymous wrote:My unpopular opinion..

As a Dem I think their shutdown strategy of holding the line on premiums is a losing one.

Like it or not, the GOO has the upper hand with Trump at the helm. Sooner or later, the govt needs to reopen. The shut down creates a distraction for Trump and proj 2025 to leverage opportunities. A lot can happen in the shutdown with him as Pres, legally or not.

The better strategy is to use the leverage of anger when GOP increases costs to bring more folks to the Dem side. If you are a Dem, you support what they are doing but those independents and GOP folks are who you want to convince. The way to do that is not to inflict more pain and ultimately lose this fight but to jet the pain happen and say - hey vote for us instead!

The only thing happening now is pain for all. This is nothing but a damn show out in by the Dems to court public favor- to say hey - aren't we cool?! They are not. I put money on the fact that the only people who will be backing down to reopen the govt will be Dems as GOP are clearly anti gov. This is exactly what they want. As long as the right people get paid - those in their side - they win.

This whole mess is the Dem debacle and I'm a Dem. This is just not the right fight to have. Not at all. They will end up in a weaker position than the start because they won't have gained anything.

This is how Trump win the Presidency - they built a org, a momentum, a team, a cause. It's what the Dems should be doing. What's going on now is the people working separately from political leadership and that's what the Dems need to fix.

I agree somewhat. The Dems are in a losing position like the GOP was during the Obama administration when the ACA passed. The GOP offered no better ideas and the Dems came out looking good. Now the shoe is on the other BUT the Dems could drop the rope in this tug of war and let the GOP land on its keester. Instead, hardline partisan politics on both sides will hurt the electorate by holding up the budget. SMH

While the GOP got the blame for the 2013 shutdown, they did quite well in the 2014 midterms. I suppose today's Dems are looking toward a similar outcome.