Well, we can test this empirically, because the states already did all have their own sets of standards. How did that work out? Fine.

Did the states have high-quality standards? Yes, many had very appropriate standards.

Did they fix the standards when there were problems? Yes, there has been a lot going on in education over the past 20 years or so.

And how much money did it cost the states to all develop their own sets of standards? Not as much as it is costing to switch to CC. Plus, that is already money spent so they don't have to spend it again.

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The testing requirement hasn't changed, so that answer doesn't make sense.

Go back a few posts: It is a suggestion of how to improve it. Get rid of NCLB testing requirement. That's step one.

What is step 2, given that you have not said anything about getting rid of the NCLB requirement for states to have standards?

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Anonymous wrote:

So your idea is to go back to every state having its own set of standards? Why would this be an improvement?

Because the states are closer to their own issues.

Their own issues of, for example, how and when to teach fractions? Why would this be different in Alabama than in North Dakota?

LOL! Yes, I'd LOVE to hear the anti-CCers try and give us all a sound explanation of why all 50 states need to be teaching fractions differently.

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Anonymous wrote:

So your idea is to go back to every state having its own set of standards? Why would this be an improvement?

Because the states are closer to their own issues.

Less unwieldy--more easily changed when there are problems. We have state governments for a reason.

Well, we can test this empirically, because the states already did all have their own sets of standards. How did that work out? Did the states have high-quality standards? Did they fix the standards when there were problems? And how much money did it cost the states to all develop their own sets of standards?

If the previous state standards were so great, there wouldn't have been discussion after discussion and frustration after frustration leading state officials and the state governors' association to start working on a new set of standards. Common Core didn't just come out of nowhere.

The testing requirement hasn't changed, so that answer doesn't make sense.

Go back a few posts: It is a suggestion of how to improve it. Get rid of NCLB testing requirement. That's step one.

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Well, we can test this empirically, because the states already did all have their own sets of standards. How did that work out? Did the states have high-quality standards? Did they fix the standards when there were problems? And how much money did it cost the states to all develop their own sets of standards?

Better than they are now with all the testing, that's for sure.

The testing requirement hasn't changed, so that answer doesn't make sense.

Well, we can test this empirically, because the states already did all have their own sets of standards. How did that work out? Did the states have high-quality standards? Did they fix the standards when there were problems? And how much money did it cost the states to all develop their own sets of standards?

Better than they are now with all the testing, that's for sure.

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So your idea is to go back to every state having its own set of standards? Why would this be an improvement?

Because the states are closer to their own issues.

Less unwieldy--more easily changed when there are problems. We have state governments for a reason.

Well, we can test this empirically, because the states already did all have their own sets of standards. How did that work out? Did the states have high-quality standards? Did they fix the standards when there were problems? And how much money did it cost the states to all develop their own sets of standards?

So your idea is to go back to every state having its own set of standards? Why would this be an improvement?


Because the states are closer to their own issues.

Less unwieldy--more easily changed when there are problems. We have state governments for a reason.

Anonymous wrote:

So your idea is to go back to every state having its own set of standards? Why would this be an improvement?

Because the states are closer to their own issues.

Their own issues of, for example, how and when to teach fractions? Why would this be different in Alabama than in North Dakota?

So your idea is to go back to every state having its own set of standards? Why would this be an improvement?

Because the states are closer to their own issues.

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And replace the Common Core with what? NCLB also requires states to have standards.

And, states had standards before CC and they will have them when it is eliminated. State can use the CC standards if they like--but it will be LOTS easier to eliminate the crappy ones.

So your idea is to go back to every state having its own set of standards? Why would this be an improvement?

And replace the Common Core with what? NCLB also requires states to have standards.

And, states had standards before CC and they will have them when it is eliminated. State can use the CC standards if they like--but it will be LOTS easier to eliminate the crappy ones.

Anonymous wrote:Answer: get rid of both Common Core and NCLB testing requirement.
Problem solved.

Spend the buckets of money on extra help for underachieving schools.

And replace the Common Core with what? NCLB also requires states to have standards.

Also, how much exactly is this "buckets of money"? And how would you get the states to spend the money on schools with lots of poor kids?

Answer: get rid of both Common Core and NCLB testing requirement.
Problem solved.

Spend the buckets of money on extra help for underachieving schools.


If you got rid of Common Core and NCLB, the first thing that would go away along with it would be the money.


Didn't say get rid of NCLB--just the testing requirement.

Money on a bad program like Common Core is a waste.

The feds were not giving money for the tests anyway. It's an unfunded mandate. The states have been paying plenty for the tests. The states would save money. Just get rid of the testing mandate. Problem solved. They already get data from the NAEP tests anyway.