Anonymous wrote:In my opinion, if this was a family job, they would’ve done it a different night of the week not Saturday night where she was known to gather with friends the next day for church. It would give them more time to dispose of the bodies create alibi.

There could have been argument and it was unplanned.

In my opinion, if this was a family job, they would’ve done it a different night of the week not Saturday night where she was known to gather with friends the next day for church. It would give them more time to dispose of the bodies create alibi.

Anonymous wrote:There is no way this woman is still alive, is there? Doesn't she need medication, which was left behind?

Did the cops determine if any pills were taken by the captor? Did the count in the bottle match the prescription’s last fill date?

Update/clarification on not showing up for church via People.com

“ Despite it originally being reported that the family was called when Nancy failed to show up to a local church service, it has since been confirmed that, since the COVID pandemic, Nancy actually met with a group of friends in her Arizona neighborhood to watch a virtual service from Savannah’s New York church, Good Shepherd. 
When Nancy didn’t attend the regularly scheduled viewing and couldn’t be reached, her friends contacted her daughter, Annie, who had been with her the night before for dinner.”

Anonymous wrote:If the BIL did it, where did he keep her? It is possible that he killed her, then asked for a ransom, as needed money. It is obvious he couldn’t keep her alive, unless it was done by an associate. Harvey Levin keeps saying that the ransom note was in perfect grammar and well written and that the person who wrote it was smart.
Remind me again what subject the BIL teaches?

The ransom notes are not by one author but a variety of scam artists hoping to get paid like this guy who somehow sent a text to Annie Guthrie. These public websites where you can easily obtain cell numbers and address information make it easy to send fake ransom letters.

To my knowledge, no ransom note was left at the scene (Nancy’s home). These ransom notes started appearing once the story gained national attention after 48 hours.

There’s no indication she was necessarily kidnapped outside of the fact that the pacemaker stopped connecting to her phone at 2am and the cameras stopped working right before or around that time.

What is interesting is Savannah and these video messages to the captor. It seems like she’s addressing one particular ransom note, but the cops are also putting up billboards in neighboring areas asking for info.

It kinda seems like they genuinely have no tips or any hot leads whatsoever on where she may be and the search in the home and Annie’s home was a way of buying time or hoping something is found.

Not sure if the BIL is the suspect as Ashleigh Banfield suspected but if no signs of kidnapping are proven soon, he will definitely be zeroed in on as the suspect as he last saw her and dropped her off. It’s interesting Annie deleted photos of him of Facebook. Why?

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/fake-ransom-text-savannah-guthrie-mom-nancy-missing/

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way this woman is still alive, is there? Doesn't she need medication, which was left behind?

Just because people need medication, it doesn't mean they have a certain expiration date without it. If they do, it's usually months and years, not days.

Also, if it was an inside job, they'd hire it out (not do it yourself come on now) and squirrel away medication.

Months without heart, blood thinner, and blood pressure meds? Doubtful.

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Anonymous wrote:Another comment on another board asked if this was a birthday dinner for Nancy as her birthday was 1/27. If it was a birthday dinner, how interesting that none of her friends attended or other family members.

That’s not awfully interesting. 84 is a great age, but not a “milestone” birthday. A dinner at my house is exactly how I expect my own parents would hope to celebrate.

It’s interesting in that if it was planned as a celebration, given her recent birthday, that there were no other guests or witnesses to the dinner. Did she actually make it to the dinner? Was there a dinner?

The uber driver may have picked up a woman, but was it the mother?

Do you have local family? I think people who don't think get togethers need to be huge/momentous. We have annual birthday celebrations with my local MIL where no friends are invited! Not everything has to be a huge party. We just had one last week where we went do dinner then came back for cake. She had lunch separately with her friends. Not "interesting" at all- you are really trying to twist this into something nefarious.

Often elderly folks prefer small gatherings. When my grandma turned 90 we did a big extended family gathering. It wiped her out for the next month-lots of sleeping and exhaustion from too much excitement. She preferred brief visits with just a few people at a time.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm haunted by Tomasso's appearance.

Sounds like Nancy was a great mother.

She thought she was having a wholesome dinner and family game night.

What is so scary about his appearance?

His beard and name 😵‍💫

I actually find him handsome and an Italian accent.. I’d be weak in the knees.

You have a thing for scary looking men? Weird. He reminds me of Charles Manson.

He’s literally tall, dark and handsome:

He looks like Al Qaeda to me.

What? He would absolutely be the hot dad on the playground in the DMV.

You’re nuts. No one wants a man with a long unkempt beard like that. And notice his wife is not attractive.

Annie is 6 years older than him.

You mean, Annie is 6 years older than he.

NP- incorrect. “than” a preposition, so it takes an object pronoun like him. "Annie is 6 years older than him." is correct grammatically in US English.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm haunted by Tomasso's appearance.

Sounds like Nancy was a great mother.

She thought she was having a wholesome dinner and family game night.

What is so scary about his appearance?

His beard and name 😵‍💫

I actually find him handsome and an Italian accent.. I’d be weak in the knees.

You have a thing for scary looking men? Weird. He reminds me of Charles Manson.

He’s literally tall, dark and handsome:

He looks like Al Qaeda to me.

What? He would absolutely be the hot dad on the playground in the DMV.

You’re nuts. No one wants a man with a long unkempt beard like that. And notice his wife is not attractive.

Annie is 6 years older than him.

You mean, Annie is 6 years older than he.

Anonymous wrote:They said they want to celebrate her when she is returned. That does not sound like she is still alive.

They said celebrate with her. Not just her. This was when they had a stupid message for hoax ransomers. They never had any information about her from them.

Anonymous wrote:They said they want to celebrate her when she is returned. That does not sound like she is still alive.

You wouldn’t celebrate if your kidnapped mom was returned alive?

The word celebrate doesn’t imply death

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Anonymous wrote:I'm haunted by Tomasso's appearance.

Sounds like Nancy was a great mother.

She thought she was having a wholesome dinner and family game night.

What is so scary about his appearance?

His beard and name 😵‍💫

What’s scary about his name?

Tommaso Cioni.

Nothing. His name is literally Tom/Thomas in Italian.

They said they want to celebrate her when she is returned. That does not sound like she is still alive.

Anonymous wrote:There is no way this woman is still alive, is there? Doesn't she need medication, which was left behind?

Having been through hospice with two elderly relatives….they can live to a long time without their maintenance meds. It’s not good for their long term health and of course raises the risk of things like stroke or heart attack but it’s not like immediate death. (But also if this is a kidnapping, they could easily buy the necessary meds in Nogales—they seem like pretty basic medications.). At this point it doesn’t seem like a kidnapping unless it is a kidnapping gone wrong. I don’t think any kidnapper would want to keep the victim this long if there was anyway to avoid it.
I feel so awful for all of them.

Anonymous wrote:There is no way this woman is still alive, is there? Doesn't she need medication, which was left behind?

Just because people need medication, it doesn't mean they have a certain expiration date without it. If they do, it's usually months and years, not days.

Also, if it was an inside job, they'd hire it out (not do it yourself come on now) and squirrel away medication.