Anonymous
09/07/2025 22:27
Subject: ECNL moving to school year part 2
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Biggest step would be to flush out the washed out pros from Europe out of the college system. No 18year old can compete with 24 year old pros. The NCAA doesn't think of allowing this for basketball but for soccer they do.
College is supposed to be about getting trained in something so you can do that something professionally. How does rostering former pros or Academy washouts work in that paradigm?
Since players are now getting paid to play in college have much less issues with the Academy washouts. Hopefully now that there's money involved college soccer will get more like professional.
100%
People misunderstand college soccer in the pyramid.
In basketball, football and baseball, college is a step to the pros. In soccer, college is an exit ramp.
The biggest obstacle to USNTs taking the next step isn’t BY/ST, it isn’t P2P, it isn’t “relegation” in the MLS. It is FIFA Article 19 reform.
FIFA protects UEFA from the rest of the world. More American youth need to be training in world class academies from 15-18yo. We are very competitive up until about 16yo when the Europe and South America (Columbia, Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay) blow past us.
Anonymous
09/07/2025 21:44
Subject: ECNL moving to school year part 2
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As I talk to more and more 05-08 parents, well over half of them have said if they had to do it over again, they would not have gone the route of elite soccer. From cost, to social, to academics, etc. All for the promise of the fame and fortune of D1 soccer or some type of scholarship. Then it turns out there wasnt that much scholarship money, there aren’t that many D1 spots (and going to be even fewer) and playing D1 sports requires even more sacrifices in college than it did in high school.
Not saying it is the wrong decision for everyone, I would just say to parents of u13-U15 to really go into all this change with your eyes wide open. Especially those with limited income or limited time. It just might not be worth it.
ECNL + HS is the best combo. Can't beat HS school soccer experience. It definitely lasts longer than club soccer.
What you'll discover when your kid starts doing all the work needed to get recruited is that ECNL doesnt pull any more weight than GA. College coaches are able to assess a players ability in 3-5 minutes of watching them play.
GPA will open more doors than a club name. (Super clubs excluded)
My kids acquired so many new friends through his HS soccer team, and became his school buddies. As a traditional sports school, the bonds he built in HS soccer will carry a long way for him.
Anonymous
09/07/2025 18:13
Subject: ECNL moving to school year part 2
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As I talk to more and more 05-08 parents, well over half of them have said if they had to do it over again, they would not have gone the route of elite soccer. From cost, to social, to academics, etc. All for the promise of the fame and fortune of D1 soccer or some type of scholarship. Then it turns out there wasnt that much scholarship money, there aren’t that many D1 spots (and going to be even fewer) and playing D1 sports requires even more sacrifices in college than it did in high school.
Not saying it is the wrong decision for everyone, I would just say to parents of u13-U15 to really go into all this change with your eyes wide open. Especially those with limited income or limited time. It just might not be worth it.
ECNL + HS is the best combo. Can't beat HS school soccer experience. It definitely lasts longer than club soccer.
What you'll discover when your kid starts doing all the work needed to get recruited is that ECNL doesnt pull any more weight than GA. College coaches are able to assess a players ability in 3-5 minutes of watching them play.
GPA will open more doors than a club name. (Super clubs excluded)
Anonymous
09/07/2025 18:02
Subject: ECNL moving to school year part 2
Anonymous wrote:As I talk to more and more 05-08 parents, well over half of them have said if they had to do it over again, they would not have gone the route of elite soccer. From cost, to social, to academics, etc. All for the promise of the fame and fortune of D1 soccer or some type of scholarship. Then it turns out there wasnt that much scholarship money, there aren’t that many D1 spots (and going to be even fewer) and playing D1 sports requires even more sacrifices in college than it did in high school.
Not saying it is the wrong decision for everyone, I would just say to parents of u13-U15 to really go into all this change with your eyes wide open. Especially those with limited income or limited time. It just might not be worth it.
ECNL + HS is the best combo. Can't beat HS school soccer experience. It definitely lasts longer than club soccer.
Anonymous
09/07/2025 07:29
Subject: ECNL moving to school year part 2
As I talk to more and more 05-08 parents, well over half of them have said if they had to do it over again, they would not have gone the route of elite soccer. From cost, to social, to academics, etc. All for the promise of the fame and fortune of D1 soccer or some type of scholarship. Then it turns out there wasnt that much scholarship money, there aren’t that many D1 spots (and going to be even fewer) and playing D1 sports requires even more sacrifices in college than it did in high school.
Not saying it is the wrong decision for everyone, I would just say to parents of u13-U15 to really go into all this change with your eyes wide open. Especially those with limited income or limited time. It just might not be worth it.
Not saying it is the wrong decision for everyone, I would just say to parents of u13-U15 to really go into all this change with your eyes wide open. Especially those with limited income or limited time. It just might not be worth it.
Anonymous
09/06/2025 20:17
Subject: ECNL moving to school year part 2
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Biggest step would be to flush out the washed out pros from Europe out of the college system. No 18year old can compete with 24 year old pros. The NCAA doesn't think of allowing this for basketball but for soccer they do.
College is supposed to be about getting trained in something so you can do that something professionally. How does rostering former pros or Academy washouts work in that paradigm?
Since players are now getting paid to play in college have much less issues with the Academy washouts. Hopefully now that there's money involved college soccer will get more like professional.
Unless some big soccer organization gets involved to invest to take advantage of the infrastructure and facilities, there really ISN'T much money in college soccer.
The part about college that people dont comprehend is how much money they get from the government. What this means is paychecks and facilities can be (if the college chooses) off the charts. Harvards endowment is over 50 billion and the government still gives them crazy money.
The reason im saying this is because many colleges can do whatever they want with sports. If they choose to keep doing things they way they're doing them they will. Its an unfortunate reality.
Thinking the vast majority of schools are going to continue to fund non revenue generating sports oof. ...
Something to be said for colleges offering sports, it gets more feet in the door as it broadens appeal. How many d3 rosters have 40+ on them? All to get more feet in the door with the lure of a jersey. If college becomes "pro" those opportunities will cease to exist and so will enrollments.
The more exciting thing to see is how the youth sports industry will adapt when parents find out their superstar won't get college paid for them by going club soccer, travel hockey, etc. BY or SY is just a sideshow to distract and maybe milk the cash cow a few more years before the bottom falls out.
Anonymous
09/06/2025 20:03
Subject: ECNL moving to school year part 2
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Biggest step would be to flush out the washed out pros from Europe out of the college system. No 18year old can compete with 24 year old pros. The NCAA doesn't think of allowing this for basketball but for soccer they do.
College is supposed to be about getting trained in something so you can do that something professionally. How does rostering former pros or Academy washouts work in that paradigm?
Since players are now getting paid to play in college have much less issues with the Academy washouts. Hopefully now that there's money involved college soccer will get more like professional.
Unless some big soccer organization gets involved to invest to take advantage of the infrastructure and facilities, there really ISN'T much money in college soccer.
The part about college that people dont comprehend is how much money they get from the government. What this means is paychecks and facilities can be (if the college chooses) off the charts. Harvards endowment is over 50 billion and the government still gives them crazy money.
The reason im saying this is because many colleges can do whatever they want with sports. If they choose to keep doing things they way they're doing them they will. Its an unfortunate reality.
Thinking the vast majority of schools are going to continue to fund non revenue generating sports oof. ...
Anonymous
09/06/2025 19:57
Subject: ECNL moving to school year part 2
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Biggest step would be to flush out the washed out pros from Europe out of the college system. No 18year old can compete with 24 year old pros. The NCAA doesn't think of allowing this for basketball but for soccer they do.
College is supposed to be about getting trained in something so you can do that something professionally. How does rostering former pros or Academy washouts work in that paradigm?
Since players are now getting paid to play in college have much less issues with the Academy washouts. Hopefully now that there's money involved college soccer will get more like professional.
Unless some big soccer organization gets involved to invest to take advantage of the infrastructure and facilities, there really ISN'T much money in college soccer.
The part about college that people dont comprehend is how much money they get from the government. What this means is paychecks and facilities can be (if the college chooses) off the charts. Harvards endowment is over 50 billion and the government still gives them crazy money.
The reason im saying this is because many colleges can do whatever they want with sports. If they choose to keep doing things they way they're doing them they will. Its an unfortunate reality.
Anonymous
09/06/2025 19:30
Subject: ECNL moving to school year part 2
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Biggest step would be to flush out the washed out pros from Europe out of the college system. No 18year old can compete with 24 year old pros. The NCAA doesn't think of allowing this for basketball but for soccer they do.
College is supposed to be about getting trained in something so you can do that something professionally. How does rostering former pros or Academy washouts work in that paradigm?
Since players are now getting paid to play in college have much less issues with the Academy washouts. Hopefully now that there's money involved college soccer will get more like professional.
Unless some big soccer organization gets involved to invest to take advantage of the infrastructure and facilities, there really ISN'T much money in college soccer.
Anonymous
09/06/2025 19:27
Subject: ECNL moving to school year part 2
If you don't know enough, you can ask questions rather than butchering an attempt at a put down. "•Changing to birth year registration doesn’t eliminate relative age effect (RAE) because whenever there is a defined age range, someone will be the oldest and someone will be the youngest"Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Going to BY wasn't a baby step, it was known to be irrelevant to USMNT. It just sends different birth months to USMT because RAE wasn't reduced.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow this birthyear registration system sure helped out the men's national team. I am soo impressed with what I am watching right now.
If you like the USMNT BY is/was just a baby step in the right direction. Unfortunately to be truly competitive we need a league thats completely independent of the pro teams/clubs that play in it. If pro clubs lived and died on wins and losses there would be much better players which would translate into USMNT wins.
You must see RAE in everything you do.
Anonymous
09/06/2025 18:49
Subject: ECNL moving to school year part 2
Anonymous wrote:Biggest step would be to flush out the washed out pros from Europe out of the college system. No 18year old can compete with 24 year old pros. The NCAA doesn't think of allowing this for basketball but for soccer they do.
College is supposed to be about getting trained in something so you can do that something professionally. How does rostering former pros or Academy washouts work in that paradigm?
Since players are now getting paid to play in college have much less issues with the Academy washouts. Hopefully now that there's money involved college soccer will get more like professional.
Anonymous
09/06/2025 18:43
Subject: ECNL moving to school year part 2
Anonymous wrote:Going to BY wasn't a baby step, it was known to be irrelevant to USMNT. It just sends different birth months to USMT because RAE wasn't reduced.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow this birthyear registration system sure helped out the men's national team. I am soo impressed with what I am watching right now.
If you like the USMNT BY is/was just a baby step in the right direction. Unfortunately to be truly competitive we need a league thats completely independent of the pro teams/clubs that play in it. If pro clubs lived and died on wins and losses there would be much better players which would translate into USMNT wins.
You must see RAE in everything you do.
Anonymous
09/06/2025 18:40
Subject: ECNL moving to school year part 2
Going to BY wasn't a baby step, it was known to be irrelevant to USMNT. It just sends different birth months to USMT because RAE wasn't reduced.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow this birthyear registration system sure helped out the men's national team. I am soo impressed with what I am watching right now.
If you like the USMNT BY is/was just a baby step in the right direction. Unfortunately to be truly competitive we need a league thats completely independent of the pro teams/clubs that play in it. If pro clubs lived and died on wins and losses there would be much better players which would translate into USMNT wins.
Anonymous
09/06/2025 18:12
Subject: ECNL moving to school year part 2
Biggest step would be to flush out the washed out pros from Europe out of the college system. No 18year old can compete with 24 year old pros. The NCAA doesn't think of allowing this for basketball but for soccer they do.
Anonymous
09/06/2025 18:01
Subject: ECNL moving to school year part 2
Anonymous wrote:Wow this birthyear registration system sure helped out the men's national team. I am soo impressed with what I am watching right now.
If you like the USMNT BY is/was just a baby step in the right direction. Unfortunately to be truly competitive we need a league thats completely independent of the pro teams/clubs that play in it. If pro clubs lived and died on wins and losses there would be much better players which would translate into USMNT wins.