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Anonymous wrote:There is no way this woman is still alive, is there? Doesn't she need medication, which was left behind?

Just because people need medication, it doesn't mean they have a certain expiration date without it. If they do, it's usually months and years, not days.

Also, if it was an inside job, they'd hire it out (not do it yourself come on now) and squirrel away medication.

Months without heart, blood thinner, and blood pressure meds? Doubtful.

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Anonymous wrote:Another comment on another board asked if this was a birthday dinner for Nancy as her birthday was 1/27. If it was a birthday dinner, how interesting that none of her friends attended or other family members.

That’s not awfully interesting. 84 is a great age, but not a “milestone” birthday. A dinner at my house is exactly how I expect my own parents would hope to celebrate.

It’s interesting in that if it was planned as a celebration, given her recent birthday, that there were no other guests or witnesses to the dinner. Did she actually make it to the dinner? Was there a dinner?

The uber driver may have picked up a woman, but was it the mother?

Do you have local family? I think people who don't think get togethers need to be huge/momentous. We have annual birthday celebrations with my local MIL where no friends are invited! Not everything has to be a huge party. We just had one last week where we went do dinner then came back for cake. She had lunch separately with her friends. Not "interesting" at all- you are really trying to twist this into something nefarious.

Often elderly folks prefer small gatherings. When my grandma turned 90 we did a big extended family gathering. It wiped her out for the next month-lots of sleeping and exhaustion from too much excitement. She preferred brief visits with just a few people at a time.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm haunted by Tomasso's appearance.

Sounds like Nancy was a great mother.

She thought she was having a wholesome dinner and family game night.

What is so scary about his appearance?

His beard and name 😵‍💫

I actually find him handsome and an Italian accent.. I’d be weak in the knees.

You have a thing for scary looking men? Weird. He reminds me of Charles Manson.

He’s literally tall, dark and handsome:

He looks like Al Qaeda to me.

What? He would absolutely be the hot dad on the playground in the DMV.

You’re nuts. No one wants a man with a long unkempt beard like that. And notice his wife is not attractive.

Annie is 6 years older than him.

You mean, Annie is 6 years older than he.

NP- incorrect. “than” a preposition, so it takes an object pronoun like him. "Annie is 6 years older than him." is correct grammatically in US English.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm haunted by Tomasso's appearance.

Sounds like Nancy was a great mother.

She thought she was having a wholesome dinner and family game night.

What is so scary about his appearance?

His beard and name 😵‍💫

I actually find him handsome and an Italian accent.. I’d be weak in the knees.

You have a thing for scary looking men? Weird. He reminds me of Charles Manson.

He’s literally tall, dark and handsome:

He looks like Al Qaeda to me.

What? He would absolutely be the hot dad on the playground in the DMV.

You’re nuts. No one wants a man with a long unkempt beard like that. And notice his wife is not attractive.

Annie is 6 years older than him.

You mean, Annie is 6 years older than he.

Anonymous wrote:They said they want to celebrate her when she is returned. That does not sound like she is still alive.

They said celebrate with her. Not just her. This was when they had a stupid message for hoax ransomers. They never had any information about her from them.

Anonymous wrote:They said they want to celebrate her when she is returned. That does not sound like she is still alive.

You wouldn’t celebrate if your kidnapped mom was returned alive?

The word celebrate doesn’t imply death

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Anonymous wrote:I'm haunted by Tomasso's appearance.

Sounds like Nancy was a great mother.

She thought she was having a wholesome dinner and family game night.

What is so scary about his appearance?

His beard and name 😵‍💫

What’s scary about his name?

Tommaso Cioni.

Nothing. His name is literally Tom/Thomas in Italian.

They said they want to celebrate her when she is returned. That does not sound like she is still alive.

Anonymous wrote:There is no way this woman is still alive, is there? Doesn't she need medication, which was left behind?

Having been through hospice with two elderly relatives….they can live to a long time without their maintenance meds. It’s not good for their long term health and of course raises the risk of things like stroke or heart attack but it’s not like immediate death. (But also if this is a kidnapping, they could easily buy the necessary meds in Nogales—they seem like pretty basic medications.). At this point it doesn’t seem like a kidnapping unless it is a kidnapping gone wrong. I don’t think any kidnapper would want to keep the victim this long if there was anyway to avoid it.
I feel so awful for all of them.

Anonymous wrote:There is no way this woman is still alive, is there? Doesn't she need medication, which was left behind?

Just because people need medication, it doesn't mean they have a certain expiration date without it. If they do, it's usually months and years, not days.

Also, if it was an inside job, they'd hire it out (not do it yourself come on now) and squirrel away medication.

Anonymous wrote:Savannah and her Mom were featured on a segment about hometowns 3 months prior to the kidnapping. This segment ran in the Tucson market and also ran nationally.

I think the kidnappers were one degree of separation from any staff: pool guy, yard guy, house cleaners, construction workers, CNAs, and uber drivers.

Or alternatively this could be a stranger kidnappung although I know this is much rarer.

I think 2 men were involved. Nancy's weight is listed at 150 pounds. Looking at her images from the clip three months prior I'd guess she is more like 170 or even a bit more.
Depending on the vehicle I think it would take 2 men to get her in a van or in a trunk of a car.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm haunted by Tomasso's appearance.

Sounds like Nancy was a great mother.

She thought she was having a wholesome dinner and family game night.

What is so scary about his appearance?

His beard and name 😵‍💫

I actually find him handsome and an Italian accent.. I’d be weak in the knees.

You have a thing for scary looking men? Weird. He reminds me of Charles Manson.

He’s literally tall, dark and handsome:

Sorry, did you say HANDSOME???!!

He is handsome. I’d take him over Topper Shut.

Agree. He is not handsome at all.

Savannah and her Mom were featured on a segment about hometowns 3 months prior to the kidnapping. This segment ran in the Tucson market and also ran nationally.

I think the kidnappers were one degree of separation from any staff: pool guy, yard guy, house cleaners, construction workers, CNAs, and uber drivers.

Or alternatively this could be a stranger kidnappung although I know this is much rarer.

I think 2 men were involved. Nancy's weight is listed at 150 pounds. Looking at her images from the clip three months prior I'd guess she is more like 170 or even a bit more.
Depending on the vehicle I think it would take 2 men to get her in a van or in a trunk of a car.

If they suspected the brother in law, it would be obvious right now. If he was sending ransom notes to tmz while his grieving family was in the next room with the FBI, it would be obvious. His wife, sister in law and brother in law wouldn’t all be covering for him. Instead they are united in begging the public for any leads.

When jonbenet Ramsey was “missing” with a lengthy ransom note and later found in her family’s basement, the parents put on a united front to protect the younger brother who is presumed to have inflicted the fatal injury on jonbenet. If it had been an adult, they would have turned on each other. Savannah and her brother would have no motivation to protect their sister or brother in law if they’d committed this heinous act. Just look at the Reiner children as well.

I feel so bad for the family - they are going through hell, and the public is going to drag them through the mud on top of it. Plus, by all accounts, the sister is the only one who stayed close to her mother and probably was her main caretaker. Her husband is a middle school teacher. They don’t scream “bad people.”

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Anonymous wrote:I'm haunted by Tomasso's appearance.

Sounds like Nancy was a great mother.

She thought she was having a wholesome dinner and family game night.

What is so scary about his appearance?

His beard and name 😵‍💫

I actually find him handsome and an Italian accent.. I’d be weak in the knees.

You have a thing for scary looking men? Weird. He reminds me of Charles Manson.

He’s literally tall, dark and handsome:

He looks like Al Qaeda to me.

What? He would absolutely be the hot dad on the playground in the DMV.

You’re nuts. No one wants a man with a long unkempt beard like that. And notice his wife is not attractive.

Annie is 6 years older than him.