Anonymous wrote:That light-up when she talked about finances was immediate, unexpected, and very telling. That was real and unscripted.

Agree.

That light-up when she talked about finances was immediate, unexpected, and very telling. That was real and unscripted.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone think Gerry was an even bigger @ss to Leslie tonight? His saying he picked the woman who "knows how to nurture a relationship" seemed like a very mean dig at Leslie. He has a terrible mean streak imo and I completely believe he made that weight comment to his ex.

Someone got mad when I said much earlier in the thread that Leslie’s spotty relationship history was a red flag.

Sorry, but if she has never been in a healthy, longterm relationship, who knows if she is capable if it. If that is what he seeks, Theresa at least knows the drill.

Yes, but he could have talked about their "similar histories and bond" without phrasing it as a direct dig to Leslie. I think it was callous. I get a cold vibe from him, but narcissists are very charming until they're not. The other ladies definitely view him very differently now. They were not happy for this couple, and I believe it's because they now have his number.

I gasped when he said that. "I chose the woman who knows how to nurture a long-term relationship." COME ON. He could simply have said: "I realized the level of trust and understanding between two people who suffered the loss of life-long loves was invaluable." It was framed as Theresa vs. Leslie, and was a low blow. Should Leslie have stayed after infidelity?

He also said in Theresa he was getting an equal partner. That had to sting for Leslie, but it's true she has a poor romantic track record and also probably has no money. Gerry felt for her and was very attracted to her, but he's not the type who wants to take care of a woman. This is crystal clear from his ex's account. It seems his wife took care of him while being the breadwinner for the family. That's the dynamic he's used to and prefers. Theresa is the party with the bigger bank account, but she's okay with that.

Leslie has so much emotional baggage. That's even more important than the money issue, but I agree that was also very important to Gerry.I hope Leslie gets therapy, poor thing.

Agreed. She literally said she is a broken person. That probably confirmed his decision in his mind.

I am sorry if people don’t want to hear that. But I am being realistic.

I agree that plus the money were determinative. I hope it was just the editing that made it seem like he was done with Theresa until she raised her professional success though.

I mean these ladies know going in that most of them will not get the guy. How do you fall in love with someone after one date? Not buying it. Leslie was upset she lost, not that she lost Gerry. She got pretty pushy with him at the end. Theresa can handle herself, she’ll be fine.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone think Gerry was an even bigger @ss to Leslie tonight? His saying he picked the woman who "knows how to nurture a relationship" seemed like a very mean dig at Leslie. He has a terrible mean streak imo and I completely believe he made that weight comment to his ex.

Someone got mad when I said much earlier in the thread that Leslie’s spotty relationship history was a red flag.

Sorry, but if she has never been in a healthy, longterm relationship, who knows if she is capable if it. If that is what he seeks, Theresa at least knows the drill.

Yes, but he could have talked about their "similar histories and bond" without phrasing it as a direct dig to Leslie. I think it was callous. I get a cold vibe from him, but narcissists are very charming until they're not. The other ladies definitely view him very differently now. They were not happy for this couple, and I believe it's because they now have his number.

I gasped when he said that. "I chose the woman who knows how to nurture a long-term relationship." COME ON. He could simply have said: "I realized the level of trust and understanding between two people who suffered the loss of life-long loves was invaluable." It was framed as Theresa vs. Leslie, and was a low blow. Should Leslie have stayed after infidelity?

He also said in Theresa he was getting an equal partner. That had to sting for Leslie, but it's true she has a poor romantic track record and also probably has no money. Gerry felt for her and was very attracted to her, but he's not the type who wants to take care of a woman. This is crystal clear from his ex's account. It seems his wife took care of him while being the breadwinner for the family. That's the dynamic he's used to and prefers. Theresa is the party with the bigger bank account, but she's okay with that.

Leslie has so much emotional baggage. That's even more important than the money issue, but I agree that was also very important to Gerry.I hope Leslie gets therapy, poor thing.

Concern troll crawls out from under the bridge.

Sorry Theresa is stuck with this yahoo now, but Leslie will be the one better off without him.

How is that trolling? Her emotional pain was hard to watch. It clearly stemmed from her issues and was not really Gerry-specific. If she gets therapy, maybe she'll have more strength and confidence in herself. Fully agree she's better off without that yahoo!

"poor thing"

You can do better.

Anyone who didn't think "poor thing" while she sobbed about "never being picked" on national tv has a sensitivity chip missing.

So not so much empathy that you wanted to project, but condescension. Yeah, that was obvious.

Not obvious at all. Your take is not universal.

Anonymous wrote:Will there be a bachelorette party with the other women and Theresa? We'll know in about 30 days!

They seemed so not into Gerry in ATR, do we think they could muster enthusiasm for this?

Will there be a bachelorette party with the other women and Theresa? We'll know in about 30 days!

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone think Gerry was an even bigger @ss to Leslie tonight? His saying he picked the woman who "knows how to nurture a relationship" seemed like a very mean dig at Leslie. He has a terrible mean streak imo and I completely believe he made that weight comment to his ex.

Someone got mad when I said much earlier in the thread that Leslie’s spotty relationship history was a red flag.

Sorry, but if she has never been in a healthy, longterm relationship, who knows if she is capable if it. If that is what he seeks, Theresa at least knows the drill.

Yes, but he could have talked about their "similar histories and bond" without phrasing it as a direct dig to Leslie. I think it was callous. I get a cold vibe from him, but narcissists are very charming until they're not. The other ladies definitely view him very differently now. They were not happy for this couple, and I believe it's because they now have his number.

I gasped when he said that. "I chose the woman who knows how to nurture a long-term relationship." COME ON. He could simply have said: "I realized the level of trust and understanding between two people who suffered the loss of life-long loves was invaluable." It was framed as Theresa vs. Leslie, and was a low blow. Should Leslie have stayed after infidelity?

He also said in Theresa he was getting an equal partner. That had to sting for Leslie, but it's true she has a poor romantic track record and also probably has no money. Gerry felt for her and was very attracted to her, but he's not the type who wants to take care of a woman. This is crystal clear from his ex's account. It seems his wife took care of him while being the breadwinner for the family. That's the dynamic he's used to and prefers. Theresa is the party with the bigger bank account, but she's okay with that.

Leslie has so much emotional baggage. That's even more important than the money issue, but I agree that was also very important to Gerry.I hope Leslie gets therapy, poor thing.

Agreed. She literally said she is a broken person. That probably confirmed his decision in his mind.

I am sorry if people don’t want to hear that. But I am being realistic.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone think Gerry was an even bigger @ss to Leslie tonight? His saying he picked the woman who "knows how to nurture a relationship" seemed like a very mean dig at Leslie. He has a terrible mean streak imo and I completely believe he made that weight comment to his ex.

Someone got mad when I said much earlier in the thread that Leslie’s spotty relationship history was a red flag.

Sorry, but if she has never been in a healthy, longterm relationship, who knows if she is capable if it. If that is what he seeks, Theresa at least knows the drill.

Yes, but he could have talked about their "similar histories and bond" without phrasing it as a direct dig to Leslie. I think it was callous. I get a cold vibe from him, but narcissists are very charming until they're not. The other ladies definitely view him very differently now. They were not happy for this couple, and I believe it's because they now have his number.

I gasped when he said that. "I chose the woman who knows how to nurture a long-term relationship." COME ON. He could simply have said: "I realized the level of trust and understanding between two people who suffered the loss of life-long loves was invaluable." It was framed as Theresa vs. Leslie, and was a low blow. Should Leslie have stayed after infidelity?

+1. This.

Yes, he had plenty of time to think about what he'd say to Leslie when he saw her.

He did, but it didn't matter anymore. That was behind the contrast. To him, a woman he'd just said he loved was just no longer important enough to care.

That quick, that fast. Hope Theresa can keep up.

I find his seeming lack of genuine emotion scary.

Did you even see the show? He was crying and crying and saying how sorry he was for hurting her. He was saying that he wouldn't have even done the show if he knew how much pain he'd cause. He said his head was ready, but his heart was not prepared for breaking up with everyone.

He is very genuine. He followed the producer's instructions by "giving into the process." And he was 100% in when he was with each person. That meant that he allowed himself to fully explore each possible future (which is the best way for him to find the right person), but it comes with the cost of hurting someone even more b/c they each believe that what he is showing them will turn out in the end. And it's clear from the set up of the show that one person is going to go home alone. He's not a tv-savvy person. He is just a midwestern guy who got picked to do the show and he followed their instructions to give into the process.

Leslie had the rug pulled out from under her. Either she or Theresa was going to be crushed. It turned out to be Leslie. Someone had to be. At least Gerry did the right thing by telling Leslie before she got all dressed up and went to the platform. He allowed her to say all she wanted. If he had waited until the platform moment (like Zach did to Gabi -- and many others before), Leslie wouldn't have been in a position to lash out at him. Gerry took the lash out. He gave her that respect.

I haven’t watched a lot of other bachelor seasons. Do they usually say I Love You to multiple people? It seems so strange to me to do that. But maybe people get caught up in the moment or something?

I think two things can be right: 1) Gerry led Leslie on and should not have. 2) It is a red flag that Leslie hasn’t been in a healthy relationship. It may not be her fault but it does impact how a person acts in a relationship.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone think Gerry was an even bigger @ss to Leslie tonight? His saying he picked the woman who "knows how to nurture a relationship" seemed like a very mean dig at Leslie. He has a terrible mean streak imo and I completely believe he made that weight comment to his ex.

Someone got mad when I said much earlier in the thread that Leslie’s spotty relationship history was a red flag.

Sorry, but if she has never been in a healthy, longterm relationship, who knows if she is capable if it. If that is what he seeks, Theresa at least knows the drill.

Yes, but he could have talked about their "similar histories and bond" without phrasing it as a direct dig to Leslie. I think it was callous. I get a cold vibe from him, but narcissists are very charming until they're not. The other ladies definitely view him very differently now. They were not happy for this couple, and I believe it's because they now have his number.

I gasped when he said that. "I chose the woman who knows how to nurture a long-term relationship." COME ON. He could simply have said: "I realized the level of trust and understanding between two people who suffered the loss of life-long loves was invaluable." It was framed as Theresa vs. Leslie, and was a low blow. Should Leslie have stayed after infidelity?

+1. This.

Yes, he had plenty of time to think about what he'd say to Leslie when he saw her.

He did, but it didn't matter anymore. That was behind the contrast. To him, a woman he'd just said he loved was just no longer important enough to care.

That quick, that fast. Hope Theresa can keep up.

I find his seeming lack of genuine emotion scary.

The people who were skeptical of the aw-shucks from the beginning pointed this out as a possibility. I was willing to buy it, as I grew up in the Midwest and knew a lot of salt of the earth sweetheart types.

But this? I doubt that the backstory of the ex -- well researched, supported with phone texts, emails and contemporaneous accounts -- can't be all. It's been eye-opening.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone think Gerry was an even bigger @ss to Leslie tonight? His saying he picked the woman who "knows how to nurture a relationship" seemed like a very mean dig at Leslie. He has a terrible mean streak imo and I completely believe he made that weight comment to his ex.

Someone got mad when I said much earlier in the thread that Leslie’s spotty relationship history was a red flag.

Sorry, but if she has never been in a healthy, longterm relationship, who knows if she is capable if it. If that is what he seeks, Theresa at least knows the drill.

Yes, but he could have talked about their "similar histories and bond" without phrasing it as a direct dig to Leslie. I think it was callous. I get a cold vibe from him, but narcissists are very charming until they're not. The other ladies definitely view him very differently now. They were not happy for this couple, and I believe it's because they now have his number.

I gasped when he said that. "I chose the woman who knows how to nurture a long-term relationship." COME ON. He could simply have said: "I realized the level of trust and understanding between two people who suffered the loss of life-long loves was invaluable." It was framed as Theresa vs. Leslie, and was a low blow. Should Leslie have stayed after infidelity?

+1. This.

Yes, he had plenty of time to think about what he'd say to Leslie when he saw her.

He did, but it didn't matter anymore. That was behind the contrast. To him, a woman he'd just said he loved was just no longer important enough to care.

That quick, that fast. Hope Theresa can keep up.

I find his seeming lack of genuine emotion scary.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone think Gerry was an even bigger @ss to Leslie tonight? His saying he picked the woman who "knows how to nurture a relationship" seemed like a very mean dig at Leslie. He has a terrible mean streak imo and I completely believe he made that weight comment to his ex.

Someone got mad when I said much earlier in the thread that Leslie’s spotty relationship history was a red flag.

Sorry, but if she has never been in a healthy, longterm relationship, who knows if she is capable if it. If that is what he seeks, Theresa at least knows the drill.

Yes, but he could have talked about their "similar histories and bond" without phrasing it as a direct dig to Leslie. I think it was callous. I get a cold vibe from him, but narcissists are very charming until they're not. The other ladies definitely view him very differently now. They were not happy for this couple, and I believe it's because they now have his number.

I gasped when he said that. "I chose the woman who knows how to nurture a long-term relationship." COME ON. He could simply have said: "I realized the level of trust and understanding between two people who suffered the loss of life-long loves was invaluable." It was framed as Theresa vs. Leslie, and was a low blow. Should Leslie have stayed after infidelity?

+1. This.

Yes, he had plenty of time to think about what he'd say to Leslie when he saw her.

He did, but it didn't matter anymore. That was behind the contrast. To him, a woman he'd just said he loved was just no longer important enough to care.

That quick, that fast. Hope Theresa can keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone think Gerry was an even bigger @ss to Leslie tonight? His saying he picked the woman who "knows how to nurture a relationship" seemed like a very mean dig at Leslie. He has a terrible mean streak imo and I completely believe he made that weight comment to his ex.

Someone got mad when I said much earlier in the thread that Leslie’s spotty relationship history was a red flag.

Sorry, but if she has never been in a healthy, longterm relationship, who knows if she is capable if it. If that is what he seeks, Theresa at least knows the drill.

Yes, but he could have talked about their "similar histories and bond" without phrasing it as a direct dig to Leslie. I think it was callous. I get a cold vibe from him, but narcissists are very charming until they're not. The other ladies definitely view him very differently now. They were not happy for this couple, and I believe it's because they now have his number.

I gasped when he said that. "I chose the woman who knows how to nurture a long-term relationship." COME ON. He could simply have said: "I realized the level of trust and understanding between two people who suffered the loss of life-long loves was invaluable." It was framed as Theresa vs. Leslie, and was a low blow. Should Leslie have stayed after infidelity?

+1. This.

Yes, he had plenty of time to think about what he'd say to Leslie when he saw her.

Anonymous wrote:Let's go way way back to the beginning:

Gerry CHOSE THERESA for the first date. Unless you think Theresa is capable of casting a spell on him, Gerry was into Theresa from the beginning. And even Faith said that the way Gerry looked at Theresa told her (Faith) that Theresa was the one most liked by Gerry.

So, it's not fair or accurate to cast Theresa as some seductress who tricked Gerry. And Gerry didn't know anything about Theresa's job/finances ALL of that time! So, obviously he had a personal connection with her unrelated to financial savvy.

And now she gets to keep him! But nobody is jealous. Sad face.