Anonymous wrote:The kidneygate Twitter account linked to this article, which is really good:

https://www.bryndonovan.com/2021/10/20/sonya-larson-celeste-ng_and-the-disregard-for-the-ill-and-the-dying/

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Anonymous wrote:The amazing kidneygate account found a series of Tweets by Helen Rosner where she accused an app that stripped ads from recipe websites as "stealing" from creators. As background, recipes are generally not considered to be copyrightable. So, she's basically objecting to the app on moral grounds, not on any legal grounds.

But she defends Larson? In Rosner's upside-down world, it is evil to make an app that strips annoying ads from a webpage with un-copyrightable recipes but stealing someone's letter wholesale and profiting from it is totally fine? Is this the position of the New Yorker too?

Yeah the fact this person is a New Yorker editor is incredibly depressing

— PP who is also depressed about the NYT

— I do have other things in my life I don’t find depressing just in case this is starting to seem like cause for alarm for me lol

I think losing faith in the NYT in the times that we are living in is pretty damn significant. Who can we trust and if they aren’t getting these human Interest stories right then what about the hard news that shapes our world?

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Anonymous wrote:The amazing kidneygate account found a series of Tweets by Helen Rosner where she accused an app that stripped ads from recipe websites as "stealing" from creators. As background, recipes are generally not considered to be copyrightable. So, she's basically objecting to the app on moral grounds, not on any legal grounds.

But she defends Larson? In Rosner's upside-down world, it is evil to make an app that strips annoying ads from a webpage with un-copyrightable recipes but stealing someone's letter wholesale and profiting from it is totally fine? Is this the position of the New Yorker too?

Yeah the fact this person is a New Yorker editor is incredibly depressing

— PP who is also depressed about the NYT

— I do have other things in my life I don’t find depressing just in case this is starting to seem like cause for alarm for me lol

Anonymous wrote:Anyone read this take?

https://rottenindenmark.org/2021/10/10/identifying-the-bad-art-friend-is-easy/

Anonymous wrote:I increasingly think Helen Rosner winds up looking like one of the dumbest actors in this. So many people, including a lot of writers, first saw BAF linked in the Rosner tweet where she called Dawn a monster. It’s where I first saw the story— she must have read it the second it came out (or even before?). I think that, combined with Kolker’s choice to start the article with a portrait of Dawn that really stuck— need, “extra”, unsuccessful, off. I think even though there is lots of info about Larson in the piece that is unflattering, the choice to start it off with a critical picture of Dawn really hurt her.

And then Rosner, who is generally considered fairly reasonable on Twitter (and is a food writer, so seems sort of outside the gray here) just basically told all her followers “there’s only one way to view this or you are a bad person.” I think Rosner’s take was more damaging than Roxane Gay’s, because Gay often judges people quickly and harshly on Twitter and a lot of us have learned to be cautious with those takes. But Rosner was definitive and I think it colored a lot of people’s initial reaction.

It’s really annoying to me that she can’t just say at this point “you know what, this was a complicated story and I was probably a bit harsh in my assessment. I forgot for a second these are real people.” Because I really do think that’s what happened.

Anonymous wrote:The top-rated reader comments on the second NYT piece are critical of Kolker. And there’s also someone giving themselves the handle “Advocate for Justice” trying to insert themselves into those comments and is getting their ass handed to them. Hm.