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Anonymous wrote:And the carousel of Republican respectability moves forward. Every year we get to hear about how the Republicans of yesteryear were actually the normal good ones and the current ones are "scary" "fascist" "chilling." It's been going on since W when I was a young teen.

Such utter BS. Yes, I loathed Bush, Jr. No, I NEVER feared that he would try to overthrow an election. He was able to express genuine sympathy at memorials. He didn’t call his opponents Tampons. If you can’t see the difference it’s because your lips are stuck to Trump’s @ss limiting your vision.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/dec/24/uselections2000.usa2
Here's a contemporary source saying Bush pulled off a COUP. Yes, this is what everyone was saying back then. That he stole the election. I disliked him then and now, I don't care whose funeral he cried at.
Trump will be dead soon and you'll be saying he wasn't that bad, the NEW GUY is the real devil.

Anonymous wrote:Vance is why we pick the bear.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance's bit about his friend who had an abortion and tells him it saved her life just said to me that Vance knows abortion is essential health care and a key part of a civilized society, and he doesn't care.

His abortion anecdote was the strangest part of the debate to me. It was clear he was trying to appear empathetic, but it fell flat. I didn't understand the point he was trying to make, especially given his party's (and his) views on the issue. It was a pathetic attempt at trying to win over women voters. He might have said all the right things last night, but there are years of interviews showing exactly how much he respects women.

It seems like he told a "friend abortion story" without permission.

Anonymous wrote:I had heard that Walz had gotten direction to be civil and not be combative or go on the offensive against Vance. He was probably struggling with that.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance's bit about his friend who had an abortion and tells him it saved her life just said to me that Vance knows abortion is essential health care and a key part of a civilized society, and he doesn't care.

His abortion anecdote was the strangest part of the debate to me. It was clear he was trying to appear empathetic, but it fell flat. I didn't understand the point he was trying to make, especially given his party's (and his) views on the issue. It was a pathetic attempt at trying to win over women voters. He might have said all the right things last night, but there are years of interviews showing exactly how much he respects women.

It seems like he told a "friend abortion story" without permission.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't want to be fact checked should be disqualified...what is the point otherwise? I want to believe my leaders whether or not I agree with them who wants to be gaslighted for 4 years?? I don't want to hear lies that make me happy. I want to hear the truth.

Politicians already get a bad rep for being slimy, smooth, not answering direct questions and outright lying. Vance acted like a exaggerated version of a "bad politician" trope last night. Vance was lying about obvious, proveable things (Donald Trump lost in 2020 (he did), Donald Trump peacefully transferred power in 2020 (he didn't), Donald Trump promoted ACA/Obamacare (he didn't), Haitian immigrant community in Springfield are illegals (they aren't), Vance never in favor of national abortion ban (he's on record and audio saying he would like an national abortion ban).

It was a crazy amount of lies on big, major, important significant things. How does Vance tell such enormous, egregious lies with such ...ease??

It's chilling.

He’s a conniving sociopath. It’s interesting how hysterical Democrats are over Trump when Vance is the real evil on that ticket. He’s young too. He’s going to be a threat to this nation for a long time.

Vance scares me more than Trump. At least Trump is openly a horrible person.

It’s interesting. I think the Trump campaign underestimated the visceral response most women have to Vance. Which is that he is not to be trusted. And his smooth debate performance just made him seem less trustworthy.

With the filtered photo of Vance with his contoured face and the MAGA trolling about how studly and educated he is, it just adds to the yuck factor.

We need to steer clear of Vance. Definite stranger danger vibes.

I'm the PP who said Vance is scarier than Trump. I was discussing this with a group of female friends (I'm a woman) over the weekend. We all said Vance gives off the vibe of a guy we learned not to trust when we were younger. I don't think a group of men would pick up on the same kind of vibe. And of course, he's done himself no favors with how he's spoken about women throughout his career.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance's bit about his friend who had an abortion and tells him it saved her life just said to me that Vance knows abortion is essential health care and a key part of a civilized society, and he doesn't care.

His abortion anecdote was the strangest part of the debate to me. It was clear he was trying to appear empathetic, but it fell flat. I didn't understand the point he was trying to make, especially given his party's (and his) views on the issue. It was a pathetic attempt at trying to win over women voters. He might have said all the right things last night, but there are years of interviews showing exactly how much he respects women.

Anonymous wrote:After reading multiple threads here, I was expecting Vance to be stupid, inarticulate , unlikeable. I found him to be the exact opposite- charming, bright, nice guy. I may not agree with every one of his policies, but I think he would be fine.

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Anonymous wrote:And the carousel of Republican respectability moves forward. Every year we get to hear about how the Republicans of yesteryear were actually the normal good ones and the current ones are "scary" "fascist" "chilling." It's been going on since W when I was a young teen.

Such utter BS. Yes, I loathed Bush, Jr. No, I NEVER feared that he would try to overthrow an election. He was able to express genuine sympathy at memorials. He didn’t call his opponents Tampons. If you can’t see the difference it’s because your lips are stuck to Trump’s @ss limiting your vision.

Anonymous wrote:I thought this was interesting/terrifying:

“One other literally jawdropping moment last night was Vance’s assertion that immigrants smuggling guns in from Mexico were a central cause of gun violence in the US. As someone who has worked on immigration and border issues for 20 years I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. Guns are illegal in Mexico. There are no guns made in Mexico. The cartels get their guns here in the US, where half of all guns in the world reside. Our lax gun laws have helped make the cartels what they are today and have destabilized our neighbor to the South. The guns Vance described last night all came from here - not Mexico. It was an extraordinary and shocking invention, something way beyond a lie, another fascistic attempt to denigrate the other.” https://www.hopiumchronicles.com/p/gov-walz-earnestly-made-his-case

Either JD knows that full well and is lying to whip up more violence against Latino people or he’s too dumb to know this. Neither is good.

Anonymous wrote:I had heard that Walz had gotten direction to be civil and not be combative or go on the offensive against Vance. He was probably struggling with that.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't want to be fact checked should be disqualified...what is the point otherwise? I want to believe my leaders whether or not I agree with them who wants to be gaslighted for 4 years?? I don't want to hear lies that make me happy. I want to hear the truth.

Politicians already get a bad rep for being slimy, smooth, not answering direct questions and outright lying. Vance acted like a exaggerated version of a "bad politician" trope last night. Vance was lying about obvious, proveable things (Donald Trump lost in 2020 (he did), Donald Trump peacefully transferred power in 2020 (he didn't), Donald Trump promoted ACA/Obamacare (he didn't), Haitian immigrant community in Springfield are illegals (they aren't), Vance never in favor of national abortion ban (he's on record and audio saying he would like an national abortion ban).

It was a crazy amount of lies on big, major, important significant things. How does Vance tell such enormous, egregious lies with such ...ease??

It's chilling.

He’s a conniving sociopath. It’s interesting how hysterical Democrats are over Trump when Vance is the real evil on that ticket. He’s young too. He’s going to be a threat to this nation for a long time.

Vance scares me more than Trump. At least Trump is openly a horrible person.

It’s interesting. I think the Trump campaign underestimated the visceral response most women have to Vance. Which is that he is not to be trusted. And his smooth debate performance just made him seem less trustworthy.

With the filtered photo of Vance with his contoured face and the MAGA trolling about how studly and educated he is, it just adds to the yuck factor.

We need to steer clear of Vance. Definite stranger danger vibes.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't want to be fact checked should be disqualified...what is the point otherwise? I want to believe my leaders whether or not I agree with them who wants to be gaslighted for 4 years?? I don't want to hear lies that make me happy. I want to hear the truth.

Politicians already get a bad rep for being slimy, smooth, not answering direct questions and outright lying. Vance acted like a exaggerated version of a "bad politician" trope last night. Vance was lying about obvious, proveable things (Donald Trump lost in 2020 (he did), Donald Trump peacefully transferred power in 2020 (he didn't), Donald Trump promoted ACA/Obamacare (he didn't), Haitian immigrant community in Springfield are illegals (they aren't), Vance never in favor of national abortion ban (he's on record and audio saying he would like an national abortion ban).

It was a crazy amount of lies on big, major, important significant things. How does Vance tell such enormous, egregious lies with such ...ease??

It's chilling.

He’s a conniving sociopath. It’s interesting how hysterical Democrats are over Trump when Vance is the real evil on that ticket. He’s young too. He’s going to be a threat to this nation for a long time.

I hear you that he could be very dangerous. I think for that to occur one of two things needs to happen:
1. He is able to hold his own electorally after Trump is no longer with us. So far the GOP has not been able to replace Trump though they desperately want to. Vance's style is very different from Trump.
2. Or the nightmare scenario occurs and he manages to get SCOTUS to allow a coup installing him as permanent president

SCOTUS has already allowed this. So once Trump/Vance are "legally" elected, there is no getting rid of them short of death. Vance is very young and once installed would be there for the rest of our lives. Is that acceptable to you?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't want to be fact checked should be disqualified...what is the point otherwise? I want to believe my leaders whether or not I agree with them who wants to be gaslighted for 4 years?? I don't want to hear lies that make me happy. I want to hear the truth.

Politicians already get a bad rep for being slimy, smooth, not answering direct questions and outright lying. Vance acted like a exaggerated version of a "bad politician" trope last night. Vance was lying about obvious, proveable things (Donald Trump lost in 2020 (he did), Donald Trump peacefully transferred power in 2020 (he didn't), Donald Trump promoted ACA/Obamacare (he didn't), Haitian immigrant community in Springfield are illegals (they aren't), Vance never in favor of national abortion ban (he's on record and audio saying he would like an national abortion ban).

It was a crazy amount of lies on big, major, important significant things. How does Vance tell such enormous, egregious lies with such ...ease??

It's chilling.

He’s a conniving sociopath. It’s interesting how hysterical Democrats are over Trump when Vance is the real evil on that ticket. He’s young too. He’s going to be a threat to this nation for a long time.

Vance scares me more than Trump. At least Trump is openly a horrible person.

It’s interesting. I think the Trump campaign underestimated the visceral response most women have to Vance. Which is that he is not to be trusted. And his smooth debate performance just made him seem less trustworthy.

With the filtered photo of Vance with his contoured face and the MAGA trolling about how studly and educated he is, it just adds to the yuck factor.

We need to steer clear of Vance. Definite stranger danger vibes.

Yes, the way Vance was side eyeing the camera was super creepy. I think he was trying to pretend like he was listening to Walz and not turn away from the camera but it gave the impression that he was trying to stare at a woman and pretend he was doing something else.

He’s the college creeper in the back of the lecture hall who you can feel leering at you.