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Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library? If not, your simply spouting nonsense. And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat. As such, I don't watch much Fox News.

Many more examples linked in here:
Hundreds of books are usually banned by just ONE person in a community
https://action.everylibrary.org/books_are_often_banned_by_just_one_person_in_a_community

I don't know of anyplace in the US where someone other then the superintendent can unilaterally remove a book from school circulation. Was that the case here?

Stop embarrassing yourself. States like Florida have written laws that say any person can object to a book and have it removed from schools.

That sounds false. Can you quote the statute?

https://legiscan.com/FL/text/H1467/id/2545742

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone trusted schools/librarians decisions until genderqueer and lawn boy came to light.

Then folks became a little wary because at a minimum, those books were controversial. Instead of saying, “yeah that may be a bit too far” or “we could probably do without the graphic novels about sex,” many became unwilling the common sense objections to these two and dug their heels in.

I think many left leaning folks like these mini culture wars because they can use this as an opportunity to call/label opposition as an *ist/*ism and shut down conversation about other items.

nope, Moms4liberty looked high and low for things to dig their heels into. GQ and LB were never in many elementary schools. They threw a fit because heaven forbid their kids learn anything "different." And if you know the definition of porn, GQ doesn't qualify.

Never called them porn. Just said they were controversial.

Many elementary schools? Jeez. I was hoping none, and was talking about middle schools and high schools.

Your response and PP response illustrate the issue perfectly though.

Because of the book banners I have to remove important books from my library. Books where a young person is assaulted and brutalized and then go on to prove their bravery in so many ways. Often times, the assault is simply one sentence or a phrase and because of that, an entire generation of readers is missing important information. Some students don't know how to tell. Some students don't know that it's wrong.
The book banners are doing a grave disservice to many students.
I'm disgusted.

Anonymous wrote:I think everyone trusted schools/librarians decisions until genderqueer and lawn boy came to light.

Then folks became a little wary because at a minimum, those books were controversial. Instead of saying, “yeah that may be a bit too far” or “we could probably do without the graphic novels about sex,” many became unwilling the common sense objections to these two and dug their heels in.

I think many left leaning folks like these mini culture wars because they can use this as an opportunity to call/label opposition as an *ist/*ism and shut down conversation about other items.

nope, Moms4liberty looked high and low for things to dig their heels into. GQ and LB were never in many elementary schools. They threw a fit because heaven forbid their kids learn anything "different." And if you know the definition of porn, GQ doesn't qualify.

Anonymous wrote:I think everyone trusted schools/librarians decisions until genderqueer and lawn boy came to light.

Then folks became a little wary because at a minimum, those books were controversial. Instead of saying, “yeah that may be a bit too far” or “we could probably do without the graphic novels about sex,” many became unwilling the common sense objections to these two and dug their heels in.

I think many left leaning folks like these mini culture wars because they can use this as an opportunity to call/label opposition as an *ist/*ism and shut down conversation about other items.

Actually I think a lot of people swallow whatever the right wing tells them, and it shows. None of you read genderqueer, you just believed whatever you were told.

Moreover, you’ve chosen to obsess over one book and have adroitly ignored the fact that over a thousand books have banned, and these books are books about Black people. Black women. Jewish people. Women’s rights. Not porn.

I think everyone trusted schools/librarians decisions until genderqueer and lawn boy came to light.

Then folks became a little wary because at a minimum, those books were controversial. Instead of saying, “yeah that may be a bit too far” or “we could probably do without the graphic novels about sex,” many became unwilling the common sense objections to these two and dug their heels in.

I think many left leaning folks like these mini culture wars because they can use this as an opportunity to call/label opposition as an *ist/*ism and shut down conversation about other items.

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Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library? If not, your simply spouting nonsense. And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat. As such, I don't watch much Fox News.

Just 11 people were responsible for most 2021-2022 school book challenges. A Virginia woman challenged 71 out of the 73 books she read.
https://www.businessinsider.com/school-book-challenges-bans-virginia-moms-liberty-education-2023-9?amp

Did she walk in there and remove the books herself?

Moving the goalposts.

No. It's right where it was when we started the conversation. The original contention was "Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own." Curation is still done by librarians perhaps with some help form the BOE and school central office. The idea that one person can unilaterally remove a book from schools is simply false. The fact is that leftists just don't like non-leftists taking an Interest in education because you want porn in school libraries and CRT taught in classrooms.

Selection. The word is selection. That’s what librarians do. They select books to add to the library.

Your whole porn shtick is tiresome and is backfiring because it is so histrionic no one can take you serriously. We get it that you are obsessed with that word and obsessed with porn itself.

—proud left hander

It’s good to see Republicans getting proved wrong and them just ignoring the evidence. It’s not a gish gallop, but I can’t remember what it is they’re doing.

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Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library? If not, your simply spouting nonsense. And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat. As such, I don't watch much Fox News.

Just 11 people were responsible for most 2021-2022 school book challenges. A Virginia woman challenged 71 out of the 73 books she read.
https://www.businessinsider.com/school-book-challenges-bans-virginia-moms-liberty-education-2023-9?amp

Did she walk in there and remove the books herself?

Moving the goalposts.

No. It's right where it was when we started the conversation. The original contention was "Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own." Curation is still done by librarians perhaps with some help form the BOE and school central office. The idea that one person can unilaterally remove a book from schools is simply false. The fact is that leftists just don't like non-leftists taking an Interest in education because you want porn in school libraries and CRT taught in classrooms.

Straw man

WTF are you talking about PP? I am a lefty and do not want "porn" in my kid's school library. I believe that your definition of porn and mine are radically different.

Also, why are you prattling on about CRT? CRT isn't taught anywhere at the elementary, middle or high school level. Stop getting your talking points from OAN.

As a liberal I do believe that books that have gay characters or that discuss sexuality in an age appropriate way are acceptable for upper elementary kids, depending on how it is presented. Many of the 9-10 year olds may be starting puberty.(mostly the girls, but still)

Actually, I see lots of crap in the school library that I wish weren't there but I don't think it should be banned. The content isn't controversial just not particularly educational.

Personally, I trust the librarians to do a good job of curating the books in my kid's school library. I'll disclose my bias here. my mom was an elementary school teacher and a principal so I can see education from both sides.

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Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library? If not, your simply spouting nonsense. And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat. As such, I don't watch much Fox News.

Just 11 people were responsible for most 2021-2022 school book challenges. A Virginia woman challenged 71 out of the 73 books she read.
https://www.businessinsider.com/school-book-challenges-bans-virginia-moms-liberty-education-2023-9?amp

Did she walk in there and remove the books herself?

Moving the goalposts.

No. It's right where it was when we started the conversation. The original contention was "Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own." Curation is still done by librarians perhaps with some help form the BOE and school central office. The idea that one person can unilaterally remove a book from schools is simply false. The fact is that leftists just don't like non-leftists taking an Interest in education because you want porn in school libraries and CRT taught in classrooms.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library? If not, your simply spouting nonsense. And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat. As such, I don't watch much Fox News.

Many more examples linked in here:
Hundreds of books are usually banned by just ONE person in a community
https://action.everylibrary.org/books_are_often_banned_by_just_one_person_in_a_community

I don't know of anyplace in the US where someone other then the superintendent can unilaterally remove a book from school circulation. Was that the case here?

Stop embarrassing yourself. States like Florida have written laws that say any person can object to a book and have it removed from schools.

That sounds false. Can you quote the statute?

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Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library? If not, your simply spouting nonsense. And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat. As such, I don't watch much Fox News.

Just 11 people were responsible for most 2021-2022 school book challenges. A Virginia woman challenged 71 out of the 73 books she read.
https://www.businessinsider.com/school-book-challenges-bans-virginia-moms-liberty-education-2023-9?amp

Did she walk in there and remove the books herself?

Moving the goalposts.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library? If not, your simply spouting nonsense. And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat. As such, I don't watch much Fox News.

Many more examples linked in here:
Hundreds of books are usually banned by just ONE person in a community
https://action.everylibrary.org/books_are_often_banned_by_just_one_person_in_a_community

I don't know of anyplace in the US where someone other then the superintendent can unilaterally remove a book from school circulation. Was that the case here?

Stop embarrassing yourself. States like Florida have written laws that say any person can object to a book and have it removed from schools.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library? If not, your simply spouting nonsense. And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat. As such, I don't watch much Fox News.

Many more examples linked in here:
Hundreds of books are usually banned by just ONE person in a community
https://action.everylibrary.org/books_are_often_banned_by_just_one_person_in_a_community

I don't know of anyplace in the US where someone other then the superintendent can unilaterally remove a book from school circulation. Was that the case here?