Anonymous wrote:Here's a good article on hiking the Savage Lundy Trail. Please note the article was written in 2015 which was before the Ferguson Fire in 2018 so there is presumably less tree cover today.
https://sierranewsonline.com/hiking-on-the-savage-lundy-trail/

Here's a blog post from a lady who turned back part way down Savage Lundy Trail. It was in 2015 with highs in the 80s.

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Someone alluded to some kind of speculation on social media that’s been forbidden on WS to be discussed (because unproven at this time). I’m dying to know what it is!

WS is victim friendly so they don't allow speculation about murder/suicide without there being any official announcement from law enforcement.

Too bad DCUM isn’t “victim friendly”.

It’s 95% posters trying to viciously victim blame.

It's better than blaming the nanny or the parents of a 30yo and 45yo.

Anonymous wrote:Why is the quote option not working properly in this thread? I did it the same way I always do & it’s not quoted, and I just caught up on a few pages and saw that multiple times

Uncheck “Disable BB Code in this message”. It is right under the message box.

PP - or maybe an evil spirit - selected it.

Why is the quote option not working properly in this thread? I did it the same way I always do & it’s not quoted, and I just caught up on a few pages and saw that multiple times

[quote=Anonymous]I posted a map way earlier in thread to show the Hites Cove Trail Rd, the easier trail and a great catch by a pp. When I first saw the map, I was ahhh they took the wrong trail on the right, Hites Cove Trail (san Road). Now, I'm leaning toward something more. I won't say because it's ongoing. But I agree with other pp's, the parents were negligent before they even stepped on the trail. If only one parent survived, I'd bet they'd be lawyering up on suspicion of negligent homicide. The pp that said it's as bad as leaving a child/pet in a hot car was spot on. It's so tragic, and was so preventable. The real victims are the baby and dog. It all feels wrong. I got a weird vibe looking at the family picture. Nanny must have been interviewed in depth about the parents. Also, I agree with another poster about the oddity of mom not having a cell, and dad not having an emergency location device.

Wish the "Spirit Reader" would chime in.[/quote]

Do we know mom didn’t have a cell? Where does it say that? Also why won’t you say more? We’re all discussing and speculating here.

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Anonymous wrote:I would think a baby would be extremely fussy and crying in a bulky carrier in such high temperature. I don’t see how the parents could have continued to hike with crying baby. They probably took the baby out from the carrier, calmed her down, gave her water etc. and the hike became much longer than initially planned.

They might not be. I remember reading about a baby who died from heatstroke while in the backseat of the car, parents were in the front. They had no idea until they got to their destination that the baby had died.

Yeah it can manifest as lethargy before lapsing into unconsciousness.

Are there really conscientious parents of 1 year olds who are not aware of this when in the heat with their toddlers? Wouldn’t they have been pushing liquids and sunscreen and checking for dirty diapers, etc?

It’s one thing to think your baby is sleeping in the back of your car, another thing to be hiking in the heat….I would have been checking every minute or two.

Maybe my anxiety disorder is more useful than I realized.

+1. This is what I was thinking.

Anonymous wrote:I would think a baby would be extremely fussy and crying in a bulky carrier in such high temperature. I don’t see how the parents could have continued to hike with crying baby. They probably took the baby out from the carrier, calmed her down, gave her water etc. and the hike became much longer than initially planned.

It wasn’t just that it went longer, they went farther, if the police who said they did the whole 8-mile loop are to be believed. Makes no sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I would think a baby would be extremely fussy and crying in a bulky carrier in such high temperature. I don’t see how the parents could have continued to hike with crying baby. They probably took the baby out from the carrier, calmed her down, gave her water etc. and the hike became much longer than initially planned.

They might not be. I remember reading about a baby who died from heatstroke while in the backseat of the car, parents were in the front. They had no idea until they got to their destination that the baby had died.

Yeah it can manifest as lethargy before lapsing into unconsciousness.

Are there really conscientious parents of 1 year olds who are not aware of this when in the heat with their toddlers? Wouldn’t they have been pushing liquids and sunscreen and checking for dirty diapers, etc?

It’s one thing to think your baby is sleeping in the back of your car, another thing to be hiking in the heat….I would have been checking every minute or two.

Maybe my anxiety disorder is more useful than I realized.

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Anonymous wrote:I would think a baby would be extremely fussy and crying in a bulky carrier in such high temperature. I don’t see how the parents could have continued to hike with crying baby. They probably took the baby out from the carrier, calmed her down, gave her water etc. and the hike became much longer than initially planned.

They might not be. I remember reading about a baby who died from heatstroke while in the backseat of the car, parents were in the front. They had no idea until they got to their destination that the baby had died.

Yeah it can manifest as lethargy before lapsing into unconsciousness.

Anonymous wrote:I would think a baby would be extremely fussy and crying in a bulky carrier in such high temperature. I don’t see how the parents could have continued to hike with crying baby. They probably took the baby out from the carrier, calmed her down, gave her water etc. and the hike became much longer than initially planned.

They might not be. I remember reading about a baby who died from heatstroke while in the backseat of the car, parents were in the front. They had no idea until they got to their destination that the baby had died.

Here's a good article on hiking the Savage Lundy Trail. Please note the article was written in 2015 which was before the Ferguson Fire in 2018 so there is presumably less tree cover today.
https://sierranewsonline.com/hiking-on-the-savage-lundy-trail/

I would think a baby would be extremely fussy and crying in a bulky carrier in such high temperature. I don’t see how the parents could have continued to hike with crying baby. They probably took the baby out from the carrier, calmed her down, gave her water etc. and the hike became much longer than initially planned.

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Someone alluded to some kind of speculation on social media that’s been forbidden on WS to be discussed (because unproven at this time). I’m dying to know what it is!

WS is victim friendly so they don't allow speculation about murder/suicide without there being any official announcement from law enforcement.

Too bad DCUM isn’t “victim friendly”.

It’s 95% posters trying to viciously victim blame.

My mid040s year old cousin died 3 years ago in Spain on a family vacation. My understanding is that the family had just taken a hike. It was during a heat wave. I have never had the guts to ask my cousin's wife why they would hike during an epic heat wave. He had a massive heart attack on the train platform and died almost immediately. He had no known heart issues and was in shape/exercised regularly. I feel like this was heatstroke. Heat is so awful. You can be overcome very suddenly.

I wonder if there are pictures on his phone which could provide clues.