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Anonymous wrote:The fact that people look at this and think he's a "badass" is lol funny.

He is in a--hole, not a badass.

Exactly.

How exactly does getting shot (in the ear, by the way, not the face) increase one’s qualifications to be president?

They truly do not comprehend that lots of normal people are turned off by Trump’s chaotic reaction to his attempted assassination.

There will be no real long run polling bump from this. It just further confirms your priors about Trump - his MAGA base will love him even more for it, the rest of the country will be turned by the chaos & violent rhetoric.

Vote like your life depends on it.

Your own silly apocalyptic tone is as bad as the MAGA base you criticize.

This country’s politics are sick. The actions yesterday was just the culmination of 10+ years of rhetoric like this:



Yesterday was “apocalyptic” because it will likely beget more violence.

So yes, vote like your life depends upon it.

My life doesn’t depend on whether Trump or Biden wins in November. Neither does yours. Touch grass.

You don’t think someone killed in public with a gun has their life affected by politics?

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Anonymous wrote:Omg. I just watched the interview with the fellow who was pointing out the shooter to the police and SS. For minutes.... What utter understaffing and/or incompetence. Yikes. There is going to have to be a thorough investigation into how this was possible, when it sounds preventable . What's tragic is the people injured and killed due to that. Americans have been done a HUGE disservice.

I had to think for a second when I saw SS until I realized it was secret service but for a second I thought trump had his own SS as in Nazi SS.

Anonymous wrote:The Act Blue donation story is now falling apart too. Turns out there is a different Thomas Crook that lives in Pittsburgh and he's the one that made these donations. So we're back to a guy who was registered as an R. And some initial social media stuff indicates that he was part of a QAnon like right wing fringe.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm very late to this conversation but I'm glad that the shooting wasn't carried out by an illegal immigrant or POC. Imagine the anti-immigrant rhetoric that would have come from the MAGA mob if an illegal immigrant had committed this crime. Imagine the anti-immigrant rhetoric that would have come from the MAGA mob if even a legal immigrant had committed this crime.

The reality is most mass shootings (and those unrelated to interpersonal conflicts) are committed by white men.

Anonymous wrote:The Act Blue donation story is now falling apart too. Turns out there is a different Thomas Crook that lives in Pittsburgh and he's the one that made these donations. So we're back to a guy who was registered as an R. And some initial social media stuff indicates that he was part of a QAnon like right wing fringe.

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Anonymous wrote:Those blaming the local police and Secret Service need to consider the entire context. Consider how much time it takes to alert authorities, relay that information to command, check out the allegation before using DEADLY FORCE, then getting the OK to use it. Imagine if they would have killed someone repairing a roof or another officer, then we’d be complaining about their wanton use of force. Further, all of this is happening in a very short period of time, and decisions can’t be wrong.

And while we’re talking about quick and safe decision making, consider the stupidity of a shot former president thinking it’s more important to stay on stage, fist pump, and yell “fight” than vacate. But, somehow that irrational and unsafe behavior gets a pass, even though he put his Secret Service detail and the crowd in more danger due to his narcissistic behavior.

Sure you don't shoot first. But you evacuate the trump immediately upon reports of someone with a gun

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My life doesn’t depend on whether Trump or Biden wins in November. Neither does yours. Touch grass.

Yes, it does. My state made abortions a crime thanks to Trump. I have a young DD.

Move to a different state. Problem solved.

Until all abortion is banned which is the stated goal of many republicans.

Your nutty assessment of that risk is as bad as the political opponents you hate most.

Except not. The next president will likely get two selections for scotus. We risk cementing this ultra right wing corrupted court. It’s not about the presidency only.

“Right wing corrupted court” - um, no. Again, your risk assessment is totally warped. The court has been great, far more balanced than the press conveys.

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Anonymous wrote:It's well documented in the press earlier this year that some wanted more funding for Trumps SS detail, yet turned down by DHS.

Trump has enhanced SS for the campaign. Witness were screaming at SS before the shooting.

this is the thing that doesn't make sense to me if witnesses saw the guy and tried to warn officers, why wasn't anything done until he was able to get shots off?

At 400feet, he would need time to lay down, he probably had to crawl across roof because standing would expose him, and then scope him and fire. It's not quick.

400ft is midrange hunters shot, but they likely have more experience, are stationary in a blind, and aren't fearing for their life if they are seen.

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My life doesn’t depend on whether Trump or Biden wins in November. Neither does yours. Touch grass.

Yes, it does. My state made abortions a crime thanks to Trump. I have a young DD.

Move to a different state. Problem solved.

Until all abortion is banned which is the stated goal of many republicans.

Your nutty assessment of that risk is as bad as the political opponents you hate most.

Except not. The next president will likely get two selections for scotus. We risk cementing this ultra right wing corrupted court. It’s not about the presidency only.

“Right wing corrupted court” - um, no. Again, your risk assessment is totally warped. The court has been great, far more balanced than the press conveys.

Anonymous wrote:Those blaming the local police and Secret Service need to consider the entire context. Consider how much time it takes to alert authorities, relay that information to command, check out the allegation before using DEADLY FORCE, then getting the OK to use it. Imagine if they would have killed someone repairing a roof or another officer, then we’d be complaining about their wanton use of force. Further, all of this is happening in a very short period of time, and decisions can’t be wrong.

And while we’re talking about quick and safe decision making, consider the stupidity of a shot former president thinking it’s more important to stay on stage, fist pump, and yell “fight” than vacate. But, somehow that irrational and unsafe behavior gets a pass, even though he put his Secret Service detail and the crowd in more danger due to his narcissistic behavior.

Anonymous wrote:I'm very late to this conversation but I'm glad that the shooting wasn't carried out by an illegal immigrant or POC. Imagine the anti-immigrant rhetoric that would have come from the MAGA mob if an illegal immigrant had committed this crime. Imagine the anti-immigrant rhetoric that would have come from the MAGA mob if even a legal immigrant had committed this crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow so I hate this “real man” garbage. He was perfectly happy to be shielded on the ground by a female SS agent until he was assured other people had actually dealt with the threat. There were definitely some brave and talented people there including some badass women. Trump did what he always does, which was to look out for himself in every regard with out thinking about how it would affect anyone else.

Give credit where it’s due. It was good political instincts to stand up and look defiant after an attempt on his life. Geez. But you want to focus on the Secret Service doing the obligatory coverage of his body??? And be all girl power about the female agent? Okay, no, that’s not the takeaway.

Those female SS were too short to protect the president. They came up to his shoulders leaving his head exposed. Not good.

+1 ha, I said the same thing to DH. If there was a second shooter, they could've easily taken a head shot.

That's the other thing that's bothering me about this their formation was terrible, no way he should have been allowed to get back up. There is no way they didn't no there wasn't another shooter lurking. Failure/

Secret Service was trying to do their job and follow protocol but dumb Trump was fighting them every step of the way. You can literally see them pulling at him to get him down the stairs when he stops to do his fist pumping.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised the SS didn't sort of roll him up in a rug and tote him out. Dont they kind of have to protect him, even from himself?

Yes, that's their training and protocol, to get him out of there as quickly as they can. But instead Dementia Don fought with them over his shoes and his hair and his photo op. And being 270 pounds plus that's a lot of bulk for them to try and wrestle to safety.

Hardly. He was so with it he asked for his shoes and wanted to address the crowd. Anyone else would have been carried out crying like a baby. People are going to eat this up.

Sane people know to get out of the line of fire and get the shoes later.

Sane is not the right word here. But it doesn't matter through which lens you're going to see this. The vast majority of others have a different take and their opinion and votes matter more.

Sane people wear shoes that fit and don’t fall off.

You'd be surprised how often the shoes fall off.

Mine never do but I wear higher quality shoes that fit. I’m also not morbidly obese so I can tie them properly.

Have you ever been tackled by the secret service?

I played football in high school and college. Was tackled many times by guys much bigger than any of those agents. Never lost a shoe.

Were you wearing loafers?

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that people look at this and think he's a "badass" is lol funny.

He is in a--hole, not a badass.

Exactly.

How exactly does getting shot (in the ear, by the way, not the face) increase one’s qualifications to be president?

I agree that it doesn't at all, but the ear is mighty close to the temple as far as possibly nearly killed.

The bullet was not near his head; he was cut by teleprompter glass that shattered.