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Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library? If not, you’re simply spouting nonsense. And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat. As such, I don't watch much Fox News.

Florida schools got hundreds of book complaints — mostly from 2 people
https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/08/24/florida-school-book-complaints-library-challenges-ban-department-of-education-bruce-friedman-vicki-baggett-parental-rights-sold-patricia-mccormick/

Did they remove the books all by themselves or did the school board decide to do it?

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Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library? If not, your simply spouting nonsense. And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat. As such, I don't watch much Fox News.

Just 11 people were responsible for most 2021-2022 school book challenges. A Virginia woman challenged 71 out of the 73 books she read.
https://www.businessinsider.com/school-book-challenges-bans-virginia-moms-liberty-education-2023-9?amp

Did she walk in there and remove the books herself?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library? If not, your simply spouting nonsense. And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat. As such, I don't watch much Fox News.

Many more examples linked in here:
Hundreds of books are usually banned by just ONE person in a community
https://action.everylibrary.org/books_are_often_banned_by_just_one_person_in_a_community

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library? If not, you’re simply spouting nonsense. And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat. As such, I don't watch much Fox News.

Florida schools got hundreds of book complaints — mostly from 2 people
https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/08/24/florida-school-book-complaints-library-challenges-ban-department-of-education-bruce-friedman-vicki-baggett-parental-rights-sold-patricia-mccormick/

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

You mean the way leftists misrepresent the curation of school library collections as "book bans?"

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

Can you vote a single example of a parent walking into a school and unilaterally taking books out of a library? If not, your simply spouting nonsense. And I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a Democrat. As such, I don't watch much Fox News.

Just 11 people were responsible for most 2021-2022 school book challenges. A Virginia woman challenged 71 out of the 73 books she read.
https://www.businessinsider.com/school-book-challenges-bans-virginia-moms-liberty-education-2023-9?amp

“The Texas Historical Commission removed books on slavery from plantation site gift shops.

Among the literature no longer available for purchase is an autobiography of a slave girl, a book of Texas slave narratives, the celebrated novel Roots by Alex Haley, and the National Book Award–winning Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison.

The removal of books from historical slave plantations in Texas came after, Michelle Haas, a conservative activist and amateur historian, complained about certain books being sold at gift shops. Her concerns were championed inside the agency by commissioner David Gravelle.

A THC spokesperson claimed the book removals had nothing to do with politics. Internal emails reveal, however, that Gravelle was concerned about the way those books presented Texas history and about potential attention from state lawmakers over what books were available.

"There is a good chance it will end up in the open forum of the Lege,” Gravelle wrote, adding that he was concerned about “the inevitable press that would be generated due [to] the emotional nature of this national argument if we do not address it quickly. And I mean quickly.”

In one email, Gravelle forwarded a list of books created by Haas to another commissioner, stating “there is no question these books are not about Texas history.” That description wasn’t accurate: titles on the list features testimony from numerous Texan slaves.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/texas-historical-commission-book-removal/

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Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

This is pretty typical for leftists because they believe in critical theory. In their warped minds, Hamas is oppressed and, therefore, anything that might otherwise be an atrocity, is justice. It's insane.

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What I worry about are all the idiot pro-Palestine college kids who will soon be in the workforce, employed as teachers, lawyers, judges, etc. I can't even fathom what our country is going to look like in the next decade with this generation in positions of power. No wonder they cover their faces during their antisemitic protests. They're cowards and still want to be employed, even after their toxic behavior.
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My hope is that they will slide toward the center once they start paying taxes. As the saying goes, a liberal is just a conservative who hasn't been mugged yet.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

OH, PLEASE. That lesson plan very clearly demonstrates the pro-Palestinian/anti-Israel stance that the school district has taken. Unreal that you see nothing wrong with it.
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We’re not allowed to teach children about genocide anymore? Strange.

Are "we" also teaching them that Palestinians want to eradicate the Jewish people (i.e. genocide)? No? Why not?

Of course not. Leftists follow critical theory and, as such, believe that Hamas are oppressed and are, therefore, completely justified in their actions. It's not genocide. It's justice.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

OH, PLEASE. That lesson plan very clearly demonstrates the pro-Palestinian/anti-Israel stance that the school district has taken. Unreal that you see nothing wrong with it.
DP

We’re not allowed to teach children about genocide anymore? Strange.

Are "we" also teaching them that Palestinians want to eradicate the Jewish people (i.e. genocide)? No? Why not?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

OH, PLEASE. That lesson plan very clearly demonstrates the pro-Palestinian/anti-Israel stance that the school district has taken. Unreal that you see nothing wrong with it.
DP

We’re not allowed to teach children about genocide anymore? Strange.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

OH, PLEASE. That lesson plan very clearly demonstrates the pro-Palestinian/anti-Israel stance that the school district has taken. Unreal that you see nothing wrong with it.
DP

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

This is pretty typical for leftists because they believe in critical theory. In their warped minds, Hamas is oppressed and, therefore, anything that might otherwise be an atrocity, is justice. It's insane.

+1
What I worry about are all the idiot pro-Palestine college kids who will soon be in the workforce, employed as teachers, lawyers, judges, etc. I can't even fathom what our country is going to look like in the next decade with this generation in positions of power. No wonder they cover their faces during their antisemitic protests. They're cowards and still want to be employed, even after their toxic behavior.
DP

Curation should be done librarians for the benefit of the schoolchildren - not Fox News addled nincompoops who've never read a book on their own.

I thought it as the school board that had the ultimate decision.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

The book literally says "I is for Intifada" - sorry, you think it's oversensitive thinking that might not be appropriate in schools right now? You think maybe Jewish students and parents might wish a different book were chosen to teach the alphabet?

This thread is a debate between people who trust teachers and librarians and those who are so concerned about various works that they want to take away those people's power to bring reading and lessons to kids. I'm as far from a Moms for Liberty person as you can be - and yet when a topic comes up that touches off my triggers, I start understanding why people get upset about the books that hit them where it hurts. Then I start thinking maybe the public SHOULD have more influence over what books are being taught to kids. I don't think I is for Intifada is appropriate for kids, for example.

Why should I trust YPU or any other parent to decide what books my kid can’t access in school?

Can you cite a single example of a parent unilaterally removing a book form a school library?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think I just became in favor of book banning

Wow, that’s a terribly bad faith presentation. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/possible-teach-in-at-oakland-schools-would-present-palestinian-perspective-to-students/

Here’s the lesson plan linked via the above article. It appears to teach what Senator Wiener claims about as much as the Florida book bans are about porn. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yHuTs87SSfWaM6qeM6y3RXgEOzjiKF_c75fLMN-2fZk/mobilebasic#h.pg1gql1c1zfc

I’m so sick of people misrepresenting arguments and pretending to take the high road.

The book literally says "I is for Intifada" - sorry, you think it's oversensitive thinking that might not be appropriate in schools right now? You think maybe Jewish students and parents might wish a different book were chosen to teach the alphabet?

This thread is a debate between people who trust teachers and librarians and those who are so concerned about various works that they want to take away those people's power to bring reading and lessons to kids. I'm as far from a Moms for Liberty person as you can be - and yet when a topic comes up that touches off my triggers, I start understanding why people get upset about the books that hit them where it hurts. Then I start thinking maybe the public SHOULD have more influence over what books are being taught to kids. I don't think I is for Intifada is appropriate for kids, for example.

Why should I trust YPU or any other parent to decide what books my kid can’t access in school?