Anonymous wrote:60+ pages of heartbreaking letters in support of brock: http://paloaltoonline.com/media/reports/1465602931.pdf. he is a kind and gentle soul loved by many. there are far fewer letters in support of the victim (her own being the longest), and several come across as insincere or having an axe to grind. the sister's friend actually complains that she's lost her joy in partying and drinking.

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Anonymous wrote:And, by the way, he had an extensive history of alcohol and drug use in high school. And there was testimony from another woman that he had gotten aggressive with her the prior week. 20 minutes of action? Bullshit. More like a pattern of this behavior. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/06/10/court-records-shed-more-light-on-the-brock-turner-sexual-assault-case/

I'm not going to buy the Washington Post. But from what I've read other places there is evidence that he drank and experimented with drugs during the spring of his senior year of HS.

I haven't seen where he had any kind of experience with social drinking, hooking up, etc. He was a relative newbie to the whole frat party drinking hook up scene.

Does the Post report differently?

Yes. Pictures in his phone that appear to show him holding a pipe to smoke pot. Messages from his phone where he said he "raged" for an hour and a half the prior night. "Repeated exchanges" in his cell phone about buying and using drugs and alcohol. All his Senior year of HS. And testimony from a girl at a party a week prior to the Incident about unwanted touching at a party, not taking no for an answer, that he "creeped her out," that he was very overly persistent, and that she was finally able to "get away."

So, choirboy who just overdid it a little the first time he drank? Nope. One bad decision his whole life? Nope. This guy was a predator who likes to party in the fine tradition of the likes of Duke LAX.

Betcha that with the pics of the exposed breasts in a swim team group chat, we've just seen the tip of the iceberg with Stanford Swimming.

And I think you underestimate how hard these people have to work their bodies to get to an Olympic level of swim. There is no way this guy had a hard core drinking/drug habit and going to early morning swim practice/meets/competitions. Experimenting with drugs/alcohol in the spring of your senior year of HS does not = hard core druggie.

I think the facts will show that he had very limited social drinking experience and was socially awkward with women. He wasn't an angel at that party, he did wrong. But to paint him as though he is a serial rapist predator isn't right. There is simply no evidence that he was anything of the kind.

Not like Michael Phelps had to go to rehab or anything.... Oh, wait.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently there is a better side of Brock Turner than the one that the hysterical femi-Nazis have portrayed here with no compassion. May your own children make similar errors of judgment some day, so that we can also taunt and ridicule you when they are arrested, crash or OD.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3636575/Ex-girlfriend-Stanford-rapist-expresses-anger-God-instilling-pain-Brock-Turner-s-undeserving-soul-letter-judge.html

I think it speaks volumes that his former girlfriends have such a high opinion of him.

Ted Bundy had a long-term girlfriend. The Green River Killer had a wife.

jsteele wrote:I asked before that posters not identify the victim. Yet, I just removed several posts discussing how to identify the victim. I don't know if you all see the irony of anonymous posters providing instructions as to how to identify a victim of sexual assault. But, not only is it ironic, but cowardly. If you are in favor of revealing identities, then let's start with your own. Otherwise, please cease and desist.

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Anonymous wrote:And, by the way, he had an extensive history of alcohol and drug use in high school. And there was testimony from another woman that he had gotten aggressive with her the prior week. 20 minutes of action? Bullshit. More like a pattern of this behavior. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/06/10/court-records-shed-more-light-on-the-brock-turner-sexual-assault-case/

I'm not going to buy the Washington Post. But from what I've read other places there is evidence that he drank and experimented with drugs during the spring of his senior year of HS.

I haven't seen where he had any kind of experience with social drinking, hooking up, etc. He was a relative newbie to the whole frat party drinking hook up scene.

Does the Post report differently?

Yes. Pictures in his phone that appear to show him holding a pipe to smoke pot. Messages from his phone where he said he "raged" for an hour and a half the prior night. "Repeated exchanges" in his cell phone about buying and using drugs and alcohol. All his Senior year of HS. And testimony from a girl at a party a week prior to the Incident about unwanted touching at a party, not taking no for an answer, that he "creeped her out," that he was very overly persistent, and that she was finally able to "get away."

So, choirboy who just overdid it a little the first time he drank? Nope. One bad decision his whole life? Nope. This guy was a predator who likes to party in the fine tradition of the likes of Duke LAX.

Betcha that with the pics of the exposed breasts in a swim team group chat, we've just seen the tip of the iceberg with Stanford Swimming.

And I think you underestimate how hard these people have to work their bodies to get to an Olympic level of swim. There is no way this guy had a hard core drinking/drug habit and going to early morning swim practice/meets/competitions. Experimenting with drugs/alcohol in the spring of your senior year of HS does not = hard core druggie.

I think the facts will show that he had very limited social drinking experience and was socially awkward with women. He wasn't an angel at that party, he did wrong. But to paint him as though he is a serial rapist predator isn't right. There is simply no evidence that he was anything of the kind.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently there is a better side of Brock Turner than the one that the hysterical femi-Nazis have portrayed here with no compassion. May your own children make similar errors of judgment some day, so that we can also taunt and ridicule you when they are arrested, crash or OD.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3636575/Ex-girlfriend-Stanford-rapist-expresses-anger-God-instilling-pain-Brock-Turner-s-undeserving-soul-letter-judge.html

I think it speaks volumes that his former girlfriends have such a high opinion of him.

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Anonymous wrote:/\ ...and blaming the drunk person only seems to happen in cases of sexual assault.

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What? Not true.

First, it's not victim blaming to point out how reckless it is to black out anywhere. It's a teachable moment IMHO.

If a drunk passes out and gets robbed, people would have the same reaction: sucks that you were robbed---robbery is a crime---you might not have been robbed had you not been passed out/walking down the dark alley/walking across the campus alone at 2am. Rape, robbery, falling in a ditch, whatever. A person's actions usually play a role. Pointing that out isn't victim blaming though. It's just a fact.

Yes, you are victim blaming.

If I'm sh*t faced drunk at a bar and I tell a guy that he can have access to the money in my purse. I smile and open my purse and show him the money. And he happily takes my money and buys himself dinner, appetizers and drinks. I wake up in the morning to find my money all gone. I'm not sure what happened to my money. Since I don't remember what happened to my money that means that it must have been stolen. Right?

Wow.

Yes WOW. I use that analogy because I think that it demonstrates a gray area that is usually present in date rape scenarios. Rarely does date rape involve a 100% non-responsive unaware person. Drinking your self black out drunk is serious. You do things and agree to things that you may not otherwise agree to. You may pass out in the process. You can not assume that other people are going to look out for you and act in your best interests. That goes for men and women. You need to look out for you.

If I give you ten dollars, you don't have permission to take another one hundred out of my purse if I pass out.

True. But if you black out and don't remember giving permission to take the $10 does that then mean that your money was stolen?

Anonymous wrote:Apparently there is a better side of Brock Turner than the one that the hysterical femi-Nazis have portrayed here with no compassion. May your own children make similar errors of judgment some day, so that we can also taunt and ridicule you when they are arrested, crash or OD.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3636575/Ex-girlfriend-Stanford-rapist-expresses-anger-God-instilling-pain-Brock-Turner-s-undeserving-soul-letter-judge.html

Anonymous wrote:Apparently there is a better side of Brock Turner than the one that the hysterical femi-Nazis have portrayed here with no compassion. May your own children make similar errors of judgment some day, so that we can also taunt and ridicule you when they are arrested, crash or OD.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3636575/Ex-girlfriend-Stanford-rapist-expresses-anger-God-instilling-pain-Brock-Turner-s-undeserving-soul-letter-judge.html