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Anonymous wrote:Voting for a president isn’t like giving a Valentine- you don’t need to love them- it’s a chess move for a better country.

Democrats fall in love. Well, I just fell in love, folks. I think there is a lot of excitement and it ain't for TFG whining on Truth Social for Biden to come back.

Glad you vote with your heart and not your head. Let us know how that works out for you.

I’ve said that many times here. Dems vote based on emotion. Republicans do not.

The GOP is all fear and anger - those are emotions. Your criticism is not remotely original, and it’s both outdated and incorrect.

Wow, so.much.projection. Democrats have been insisting that Trump will “end democracy!!” The threads on this forum are beyond fear-mongering and looney rage. They are truly unhinged.
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Anonymous wrote:Tim Walz says he sleeps just fine’ with F’s from the NRA

https://fortune.com/2024/08/06/tim-walz-sleeps-just-fine-with-fs-from-the-nra-gun-lobby-control/

It might seem a little out of the norm or against the commonly held stereotype for a known former veteran and hunter to be pro-gun-control. But Walz explained in last year’s annual State of the State that it’s this exact experience that informs his desire to pass legislation that involves greater arms regulation.

“I know guns as well as anyone else in this room,” Walz said at the Minnesota Capitol building in 2023, adding that he is “one of the best shots in Congress” and has the trophy to prove it.

“I got an A rating from the NRA my first term in Congress. Now I get straight F’s. And I sleep just fine,” Walz said in his 2023 address, adding that everyone knows gun violence is an issue but are “just used to being bullied by the gun lobby.”

80% of Americans want gun reform. Parents do not like having their kids doing lockdown drills.

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“The McCourtney Institute for Democracy’s latest Mood of the Nation Poll, conducted from May 12-18, 2023, finds that 86 percent of American adults support U.S. Congress mandating background checks for all firearm sales and transfers.

Nearly three-quarters support Congress requiring gun owners to take a test, obtain a license and register their firearms, similar to the process of owning an automobile.”
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/07/25/poll-majority--support-universal-background-checks-gun-licensing-assault-weapons-ban#

They don’t have their methodology documented, we don’t know who they asked or how they asked. They should have that information included.

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Anonymous wrote:Maga is in panic

Full blown. It's all trans in bathrooms and George Floyd/riots! That's all they got. Wait until they start hearing him speak! This is going to be delicious.

The riots and overall breakdown of law and order in our cities is where the Democrats are most vulnerable. Expect to hear about Kamala’s San Francisco and Tim’s Minneapolis nonstop for the next three months.

Did January 6th not happen? I don't understand how GOP are so concerned about some riots and not others. It's weird.

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All riots should be equally disdained regardless of the issue behind it because more often than not it's some nut job extremist thugs who don't actually care about the issue behind it....but as such should also be equally prosecuted and equally thought of as wrong regardless of the issue. It's never ok to destroy property regardless of the issue or topic period.

I agree. I read an article about The riots in MN and poor reaction time. Walz was very honest about it all and how it was not handled well. Now contrast that with Trump who still thinks January 6th was a good thing.

True - but I also know many Dems who think the BLM riots were a good thing too.

Dems supported the peaceful protests and criticized where the looting and property damage took place.

Well I'll rephrase,"I have personally spoken to more than one Dem who feels the looting and property damage was justified". But we are going off-topic now. Back to Tim Walz....honestly...I don't care how he reacted to the BLM riots because it was an extremely difficult time. I also don't care about anything he did or didn't do 20 yrs ago. I do care about his political views and social ideology which are too progressive for my taste. Not saying it's going to make me vote for Trump but I am now strongly considering staying home...and this is coming from someone who was pushing their DD to go out and vote because of the importance of voting - DD doesn't care to vote this year either. I can see her point of view.

What ideology do you find too progressive?

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Education: In favor of reduced/free college education for the trades -- in fact...take some of the illegal immigrants who have been here for over 10-15+ yrs (because realistically you can't deport them all) and educate them in the trades. Fix our education system and stop focusing on stupid issues that don't belong in schools. Teach tolerance and respect as a two-way street. Note: I actually like how Walz has approached education in MN -- except for teaching gender ideology in schools. Many parents voice their concerns: https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/minnesota-parents-clash-over-teachers-discussing-gender-identity-with-students-stay-in-your-lane-osseo-area-schools-isd-279-lgbtqia-history-and-culture-resolution-lgbt-transgender and […]

You cite a ton of right wing talking points and misrepresentations (no one takes you seriously when your argument is a strawman), but I think you should have read the article you posted before spouting off about “teaching gender ideology” and from a “news” outlet in Austin, TX owned by Sinclair. But even they were able to sneak in the fact that it’s not teaching gender ideology but respecting all students, including the ones who were being bullied for being gay. So you want gay kids to get bullied? That’s essentially what you said.

And to try to pull some grapes out of your cornucopia of misled: that was an Osseo, MN policy, not a state wide one. Good lord. You are bad at this, “independent.”

This was just one point in response to someone who asked "What ideology do you find too progressive?" And I stand by my post - this is one area that I find too progressive/liberal. But I am also pro-LGBTQ rights -- it's something the progressive/liberal left can't seem to comprehend which is so frustrating -- you can support LGBTQ rights but also disagree with certain specific issues. The all-or-nothing attitude of the left is tiresome. Just as tiresome as the all-or-nothing attitude of the right when it comes to abortion. Same thing.

DP. Well said. This is how I feel, too. So sick of the extremes.

The forgotten middle.
The middle children of the country if you will.

Well said indeed.

Well, Harris acknowledges you with this pick.

No she didn't.
I'm still likely to vote for her given I can't tolerate Trump.
But I will also likely to vote more right leaning down ballot to keep things somewhat balanced.

The Democrats have bent over backwards to be right leaning (Biden, Clinton, Kaine, Lieberman, Gore, Obama, Kerry… these are not far left people); the same is never asked of the GOP. Not ever. Voters like you never ask that the GOP move left. You should ask yourself why you don’t think they should moderate.

I have in my lifetime voted for both Democrats and Republicans.
I vote for who at the time I feel is best for the country overall, best represents the views of the country and best reflects my personal views.

I think both parties are invested in playing to the extremes and not really listening to what people actually want.

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Absolutely agree. I would happily vote for a Bill Clinton today.
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Walz is basically Bill Clinton.

Good try. Walz is left of Bernie.

You need to get a better news source than Fox and OAN. Walz is one of the most moderate for the Democrats. Go back and look at the dot-spread post about his positions when he was in Congress. A pretty even mix of blue and red dots. He's very moderate and very pragmatic. He was one of the deal-makers who could communicate across the aisle.

The conservatives are calling his progressive and leftist because essentially the MAGA have pulled the political spectrum so far right that those who are true moderates now look progressive in contrast. He appears left if you pick and choose his positions. Yes, he has some political views that are progressive, but he also has some that are conservative, because he is midwestern and there are some midwestern values that are very conservative. If you selectively choose, you will find progressive ideas and values, but if you take him as a whole, he's very moderate in balance.

You must be a political novice. Walz is not a moderate. He represented a reddish district while in Congress and had to manage his voting somewhat to maintain his seat. But he has always supported left policies and this was revealed through and through in his record since representing the very blue electorate that is MN as a whole. And his comments are free for all to hear.

A red-ish district?! Omg. Walz was only the fourth Democrat in the history of that district to represent them. It’s a very red district. You need to do your research

Anonymous wrote:Walz said a few days ago that he is a socialist.

How is he a moderate or middle guy when he’s publicly saying he’s a socialist!

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Anonymous wrote:Walz said a few days ago that he is a socialist.

How is he a moderate or middle guy when he’s publicly saying he’s a socialist!

He said Republicans call neighborly policies “socialist.” Pretty awkward that you misunderstood that.

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Anonymous wrote:The people trying to make something out of Shapiro really don’t under the Jewish community. I and every Jew i know is relieved Harris didn’t pick Shapiro. We all understood the anti-Semitic barrage the Trump campaign was preparing to launch. It was obvious they thought stoking anti-Semitic sentiment would win them Michigan. We are all very happy those attacks aren’t going to happen now.

OMG, now I’ve heard everything. Shapiro wasn’t chosen *because of the massive amount of antisemites ON THE LEFT* who would have caused absolute havoc rioting at the DNC (and elsewhere). Progressives have been harassing Jews and anyone pro-Israel for months now. Harris knew that choosing a pro-Israel Jew as her running mate would lose the “progressive” vote. In short, she totally appeased the antisemites in YOUR party.

But how typical that you would conjure up fantasies of Republicans engaging in an antisemitic barrage. We’ve all seen with our own eyes the pro-Hamas antisemites on the left. Keep up that gaslighting.

Shapiro wasn't chosen because he pulled himself out of consideration. Let's just stop with the nonsense.

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Democrats fall in love. Well, I just fell in love, folks. I think there is a lot of excitement and it ain't for TFG whining on Truth Social for Biden to come back.

Glad you vote with your heart and not your head. Let us know how that works out for you.

I’ve said that many times here. Dems vote based on emotion. Republicans do not.

The GOP is all fear and anger - those are emotions. Your criticism is not remotely original, and it’s both outdated and incorrect.

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Anonymous wrote:Socialists love Kamala’s VP Pick, YOU GO GIRL!

Please learn the difference between socialism and democratic socialists. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Walz admits he’s a socialist and had socialist values. We are not a socialist country.

Uh no. He challenges anyone to suggest that school breakfasts and lunches are 'socialism" as a bad thing.

I agree that children shouldn’t be punished for their parents’ bad choices, I just wish there was more personal responsibility from the parents.

???

Are you suggesting that poverty is a matter of "bad choices"?

NP, yes poverty for children is often the result of parents’ poor choices: failing to graduate from HS and failing to marry before having children. Granted, poor schools are a big factor but having children when not married and without a HS degree is a recipe for poverty for the innocent kids.

But this is off-topic.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans call every Democrat the most lefty socialist Marxist communist ever! It’s meaningless noise.

Not true. Prime example: Kelly

So naive. If Kelly was the VP choice, they’d call this the most socialist ticket ever. They do it every four years!

Take your pick. Most socialist Kelly or most communist Kamala.

And this is precisely why it has so little resonance now. Banal and predictable.

Almost as banal and predictable as calling Republicans "fascists".
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Full blown. It's all trans in bathrooms and George Floyd/riots! That's all they got. Wait until they start hearing him speak! This is going to be delicious.

The riots and overall breakdown of law and order in our cities is where the Democrats are most vulnerable. Expect to hear about Kamala’s San Francisco and Tim’s Minneapolis nonstop for the next three months.

Did January 6th not happen? I don't understand how GOP are so concerned about some riots and not others. It's weird.

Bingo

All riots should be equally disdained regardless of the issue behind it because more often than not it's some nut job extremist thugs who don't actually care about the issue behind it....but as such should also be equally prosecuted and equally thought of as wrong regardless of the issue. It's never ok to destroy property regardless of the issue or topic period.

I agree. I read an article about The riots in MN and poor reaction time. Walz was very honest about it all and how it was not handled well. Now contrast that with Trump who still thinks January 6th was a good thing.

True - but I also know many Dems who think the BLM riots were a good thing too.

Dems supported the peaceful protests and criticized where the looting and property damage took place.

Well I'll rephrase,"I have personally spoken to more than one Dem who feels the looting and property damage was justified". But we are going off-topic now. Back to Tim Walz....honestly...I don't care how he reacted to the BLM riots because it was an extremely difficult time. I also don't care about anything he did or didn't do 20 yrs ago. I do care about his political views and social ideology which are too progressive for my taste. Not saying it's going to make me vote for Trump but I am now strongly considering staying home...and this is coming from someone who was pushing their DD to go out and vote because of the importance of voting - DD doesn't care to vote this year either. I can see her point of view.

What ideology do you find too progressive?

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Education: In favor of reduced/free college education for the trades -- in fact...take some of the illegal immigrants who have been here for over 10-15+ yrs (because realistically you can't deport them all) and educate them in the trades. Fix our education system and stop focusing on stupid issues that don't belong in schools. Teach tolerance and respect as a two-way street. Note: I actually like how Walz has approached education in MN -- except for teaching gender ideology in schools. Many parents voice their concerns: https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/minnesota-parents-clash-over-teachers-discussing-gender-identity-with-students-stay-in-your-lane-osseo-area-schools-isd-279-lgbtqia-history-and-culture-resolution-lgbt-transgender and […]

You cite a ton of right wing talking points and misrepresentations (no one takes you seriously when your argument is a strawman), but I think you should have read the article you posted before spouting off about “teaching gender ideology” and from a “news” outlet in Austin, TX owned by Sinclair. But even they were able to sneak in the fact that it’s not teaching gender ideology but respecting all students, including the ones who were being bullied for being gay. So you want gay kids to get bullied? That’s essentially what you said.

And to try to pull some grapes out of your cornucopia of misled: that was an Osseo, MN policy, not a state wide one. Good lord. You are bad at this, “independent.”

This was just one point in response to someone who asked "What ideology do you find too progressive?" And I stand by my post - this is one area that I find too progressive/liberal. But I am also pro-LGBTQ rights -- it's something the progressive/liberal left can't seem to comprehend which is so frustrating -- you can support LGBTQ rights but also disagree with certain specific issues. The all-or-nothing attitude of the left is tiresome. Just as tiresome as the all-or-nothing attitude of the right when it comes to abortion. Same thing.

DP. Well said. This is how I feel, too. So sick of the extremes.

The forgotten middle.
The middle children of the country if you will.

Well said indeed.

Well, Harris acknowledges you with this pick.

No she didn't.
I'm still likely to vote for her given I can't tolerate Trump.
But I will also likely to vote more right leaning down ballot to keep things somewhat balanced.

The Democrats have bent over backwards to be right leaning (Biden, Clinton, Kaine, Lieberman, Gore, Obama, Kerry… these are not far left people); the same is never asked of the GOP. Not ever. Voters like you never ask that the GOP move left. You should ask yourself why you don’t think they should moderate.

I have in my lifetime voted for both Democrats and Republicans.
I vote for who at the time I feel is best for the country overall, best represents the views of the country and best reflects my personal views.

I think both parties are invested in playing to the extremes and not really listening to what people actually want.

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Absolutely agree. I would happily vote for a Bill Clinton today.
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Walz is basically Bill Clinton.

Good try. Walz is left of Bernie.

You need to get a better news source than Fox and OAN. Walz is one of the most moderate for the Democrats. Go back and look at the dot-spread post about his positions when he was in Congress. A pretty even mix of blue and red dots. He's very moderate and very pragmatic. He was one of the deal-makers who could communicate across the aisle.

The conservatives are calling his progressive and leftist because essentially the MAGA have pulled the political spectrum so far right that those who are true moderates now look progressive in contrast. He appears left if you pick and choose his positions. Yes, he has some political views that are progressive, but he also has some that are conservative, because he is midwestern and there are some midwestern values that are very conservative. If you selectively choose, you will find progressive ideas and values, but if you take him as a whole, he's very moderate in balance.

You must be a political novice. Walz is not a moderate. He represented a reddish district while in Congress and had to manage his voting somewhat to maintain his seat. But he has always supported left policies and this was revealed through and through in his record since representing the very blue electorate that is MN as a whole. And his comments are free for all to hear.

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Anonymous wrote:Socialists love Kamala’s VP Pick, YOU GO GIRL!

Please learn the difference between socialism and democratic socialists. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Walz admits he’s a socialist and had socialist values. We are not a socialist country.

Uh no. He challenges anyone to suggest that school breakfasts and lunches are 'socialism" as a bad thing.

I agree that children shouldn’t be punished for their parents’ bad choices, I just wish there was more personal responsibility from the parents.

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Are you suggesting that poverty is a matter of "bad choices"?

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans call every Democrat the most lefty socialist Marxist communist ever! It’s meaningless noise.

Not true. Prime example: Kelly

So naive. If Kelly was the VP choice, they’d call this the most socialist ticket ever. They do it every four years!

Take your pick. Most socialist Kelly or most communist Kamala.

And this is precisely why it has so little resonance now. Banal and predictable.

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Full blown. It's all trans in bathrooms and George Floyd/riots! That's all they got. Wait until they start hearing him speak! This is going to be delicious.

The riots and overall breakdown of law and order in our cities is where the Democrats are most vulnerable. Expect to hear about Kamala’s San Francisco and Tim’s Minneapolis nonstop for the next three months.

Did January 6th not happen? I don't understand how GOP are so concerned about some riots and not others. It's weird.

Bingo

All riots should be equally disdained regardless of the issue behind it because more often than not it's some nut job extremist thugs who don't actually care about the issue behind it....but as such should also be equally prosecuted and equally thought of as wrong regardless of the issue. It's never ok to destroy property regardless of the issue or topic period.

I agree. I read an article about The riots in MN and poor reaction time. Walz was very honest about it all and how it was not handled well. Now contrast that with Trump who still thinks January 6th was a good thing.

True - but I also know many Dems who think the BLM riots were a good thing too.

Dems supported the peaceful protests and criticized where the looting and property damage took place.

Well I'll rephrase,"I have personally spoken to more than one Dem who feels the looting and property damage was justified". But we are going off-topic now. Back to Tim Walz....honestly...I don't care how he reacted to the BLM riots because it was an extremely difficult time. I also don't care about anything he did or didn't do 20 yrs ago. I do care about his political views and social ideology which are too progressive for my taste. Not saying it's going to make me vote for Trump but I am now strongly considering staying home...and this is coming from someone who was pushing their DD to go out and vote because of the importance of voting - DD doesn't care to vote this year either. I can see her point of view.

What ideology do you find too progressive?

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Education: In favor of reduced/free college education for the trades -- in fact...take some of the illegal immigrants who have been here for over 10-15+ yrs (because realistically you can't deport them all) and educate them in the trades. Fix our education system and stop focusing on stupid issues that don't belong in schools. Teach tolerance and respect as a two-way street. Note: I actually like how Walz has approached education in MN -- except for teaching gender ideology in schools. Many parents voice their concerns: https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/minnesota-parents-clash-over-teachers-discussing-gender-identity-with-students-stay-in-your-lane-osseo-area-schools-isd-279-lgbtqia-history-and-culture-resolution-lgbt-transgender and […]

You cite a ton of right wing talking points and misrepresentations (no one takes you seriously when your argument is a strawman), but I think you should have read the article you posted before spouting off about “teaching gender ideology” and from a “news” outlet in Austin, TX owned by Sinclair. But even they were able to sneak in the fact that it’s not teaching gender ideology but respecting all students, including the ones who were being bullied for being gay. So you want gay kids to get bullied? That’s essentially what you said.

And to try to pull some grapes out of your cornucopia of misled: that was an Osseo, MN policy, not a state wide one. Good lord. You are bad at this, “independent.”

This was just one point in response to someone who asked "What ideology do you find too progressive?" And I stand by my post - this is one area that I find too progressive/liberal. But I am also pro-LGBTQ rights -- it's something the progressive/liberal left can't seem to comprehend which is so frustrating -- you can support LGBTQ rights but also disagree with certain specific issues. The all-or-nothing attitude of the left is tiresome. Just as tiresome as the all-or-nothing attitude of the right when it comes to abortion. Same thing.

DP. Well said. This is how I feel, too. So sick of the extremes.

The forgotten middle.
The middle children of the country if you will.

Well said indeed.

Well, Harris acknowledges you with this pick.

No she didn't.
I'm still likely to vote for her given I can't tolerate Trump.
But I will also likely to vote more right leaning down ballot to keep things somewhat balanced.

The Democrats have bent over backwards to be right leaning (Biden, Clinton, Kaine, Lieberman, Gore, Obama, Kerry… these are not far left people); the same is never asked of the GOP. Not ever. Voters like you never ask that the GOP move left. You should ask yourself why you don’t think they should moderate.

I have in my lifetime voted for both Democrats and Republicans.
I vote for who at the time I feel is best for the country overall, best represents the views of the country and best reflects my personal views.

I think both parties are invested in playing to the extremes and not really listening to what people actually want.

+100
Absolutely agree. I would happily vote for a Bill Clinton today.
DP

Walz is basically Bill Clinton.

Good try. Walz is left of Bernie.

You need to get a better news source than Fox and OAN. Walz is one of the most moderate for the Democrats. Go back and look at the dot-spread post about his positions when he was in Congress. A pretty even mix of blue and red dots. He's very moderate and very pragmatic. He was one of the deal-makers who could communicate across the aisle.

The conservatives are calling his progressive and leftist because essentially the MAGA have pulled the political spectrum so far right that those who are true moderates now look progressive in contrast. He appears left if you pick and choose his positions. Yes, he has some political views that are progressive, but he also has some that are conservative, because he is midwestern and there are some midwestern values that are very conservative. If you selectively choose, you will find progressive ideas and values, but if you take him as a whole, he's very moderate in balance.