Anonymous
06/22/2023 13:40
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Friend of a friend telling BBC that rear cover of sun and landing gear is part of debris field.
does this mean BBC is reporting this? confused
“ David Mearns, a rescue expert who knows two of the five men onboard, has received a WhatsApp message suggesting two crucial parts of the system have been detected - but the hull is yet to be found.”
I'm PP who said the end caps would float up - I wonder if the two crucial parts are the end caps?
Anonymous
06/22/2023 13:39
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:My daughter who knows little of the titanic - just asked why this is big news? not a bad question actually.
Because of the obscenely wealthy on board.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 13:38
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Dumb question: if it imploded at or near the ocean floor, would there be a discernable "debris field" to discover? That thing seemed pretty rickety; would it not be blown to smithereens?
Not a dumb question. Any buoyant material would rise to the surface, the speed at which it rises would depend on how buoyant it was. Carbon fiber and titanium have pretty low densities, so the shards would rise to the surface. The sub was designed to be neutrally buoyant, but that's when it's in one piece. The sub would have shattered, but not into dust, into shards. I thought I read that the end caps wer titanium and the rest was a carbon fiber/titanium composite. If so, the carbon fiber composite would likely have failed first, and the titanium end caps would float to the surface, mostly undeformed. The acrylic window would also come to the surface.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 13:37
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
An implosion would be the most merciful outcome for those unfortunate souls.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 13:37
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
My daughter who knows little of the titanic - just asked why this is big news? not a bad question actually.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 13:37
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's too bad they couldn't get the ROVs there sooner to find them alive and bring them up through bringing them up sounded risky as well since it would involve depressurization and if the thing wasn't already working properly, maybe they would not have survived the ascent.
Too bad the Ocean Gate company didn’t have their own to handle this situation. Tells me they need to fire their risk management analyst or they don’t have one.
There was never any "finding them alive." Come on. They've been dead for 4 days.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 13:35
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:It's too bad they couldn't get the ROVs there sooner to find them alive and bring them up through bringing them up sounded risky as well since it would involve depressurization and if the thing wasn't already working properly, maybe they would not have survived the ascent.
Too bad the Ocean Gate company didn’t have their own to handle this situation. Tells me they need to fire their risk management analyst or they don’t have one.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 13:34
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's too bad they couldn't get the ROVs there sooner to find them alive and bring them up through bringing them up sounded risky as well since it would involve depressurization and if the thing wasn't already working properly, maybe they would not have survived the ascent.
if reports are true and there was something defective/leak, they never had a chance. The pressure in itself would cause it to implode ...there's nothing to "find"
The Titan would probably have reached a depth of around 3,500 meters by the time communication was lost, meaning the pressure would be equal to 345 times Earth's atmosphere. If the pressure vessel has failed catastrophically, it’s like a small bomb going off.
The 3PM conference means that think they have some new information, maybe
Would there have been telltale signs of an implosion at the surface the crew on the ship missed?
The surface ship should have been recording SONAR throughout the dive. An implosion would have registered massively on SONAR.
Alternatively, the US Navy might be in possession of SONAR or other undersea audio evidence demonstrating an implosion. However, any evidence it might possess would obviously be classified.
So you are not likely to ever hear anything about it (no pun intended).
Anonymous
06/22/2023 13:32
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Oh look. Exactly what everyone said happened, is what happened.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 13:32
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
From CNN just now:
"Company confirms its vehicle found debris field in Titanic submersible search area
From CNN’s Paul P. Murphy
A spokesperson for Pelagic Research Services confirmed to CNN that its remote operated vehicle (ROV), which was the first to conduct a search for the missing OceanGate sub on the sea floor, found the debris field.
The US Coast Guard announced earlier today that a debris field had been found in the search area.
Pelagic Research Services describes itself on its website as “an ocean services company that brings expedition planning, execution and state of the art sub-sea research tools to the ocean community on a global basis."
From the front page of the Pelagic Research Services website that I just went to:
"PRS want to express our full gratitude for the incredible, coordinated rescue response of everyone involved in this search and rescue mission. Our focus right now is on the families of those on the Titan and for their tragic loss."
"Tragic loss" is an interesting choice of words. Probably unintentional (though confusing).
Why is it an interesting choice of words? They are clearly dead. People don’t actually still think there’s a chance that they are bobbing around waiting to be unsealed, right?
Because nothing has been officially confirmed yet and the "debris field" has not yet been confirmed to be from the Titan. Obviously it's likely they are dead, but you don't put out a confusing statement like that before anything official is announced.
The statement isn't confusing. We all know they are dead since they ran out of oxygen.
Right. they’re notifying next of kin right now and writing up the brief.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 13:31
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous
06/22/2023 13:31
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Friend of a friend telling BBC that rear cover of sun and landing gear is part of debris field.
does this mean BBC is reporting this? confused
“ David Mearns, a rescue expert who knows two of the five men onboard, has received a WhatsApp message suggesting two crucial parts of the system have been detected - but the hull is yet to be found.”
Anonymous
06/22/2023 13:31
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Friend of a friend telling BBC that rear cover of sun and landing gear is part of debris field.
'The hull has not been found but two important parts have been discovered', says David Mearns as he receives live updates from the ships searching for the vessel.
He adds that this would only be possible if the 'submersible had fragmented'.
Anonymous
06/22/2023 13:30
Subject: Re:Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Anonymous wrote:Friend of a friend telling BBC that rear cover of sun and landing gear is part of debris field.
does this mean BBC is reporting this? confused
Anonymous
06/22/2023 13:28
Subject: Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic
Sun = sub