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But does that dynamic map onto workplace relationships?

Actors seem to act more familiar with each other than typical co-workers. They're filming intimate scenes, lines get blurred... I don't think it tracks with normal workplaces. I keep thinking back to the Anora actress saying she didn't want an Intimacy Coordinator and totally loved the director and his wife acting out the sex scenes for her... maybe it's true... my read on it is the complete opposite (she knows how f'cked up it is and overcompensates how great it was). I can totally see a young actress feeling uncomfortable and the director making a big deal about how important it is to make everyone feel safe because he's a feminist, and her texting him that she felt soooo safe when it was the opposite. I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm just saying I don't assume that text to Baldoni is the sum total of what happened. That's one text, there's also going to be her communications with Lively and with other people (especially if she texted her actual family and friends about it, those might be closer to her real thoughts) and testimony from people who were on set. There are so many zigzags in this case, we could all be completely shocked when we actually learn more.

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Does the psychology of workplace harassment operate the same as domestic abuse?

I often see people conflating the two when it comes to the case. Like on r/IEWU, someone who was abused said she also texted her abuser after the fact. Obviously victims go back to their abusers all the time and text them like nothing happened, which means a positive text doesn't prove an abuser's innocence.

But does that dynamic map onto workplace relationships?

Anyways, what struck me about Isabela's text is ... I don't know, she sent it randomly after seeing something that reminded her of JB. And she was very specific about how safe she felt. It wasn't just like a "Let's work again" text or generic in anyway, which makes the belief that she was uncomfortable on set harder to buy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But does that dynamic map onto workplace relationships?

Actors seem to act more familiar with each other than typical co-workers. They're filming intimate scenes, lines get blurred... I don't think it tracks with normal workplaces. I keep thinking back to the Anora actress saying she didn't want an Intimacy Coordinator and totally loved the director and his wife acting out the sex scenes for her... maybe it's true... my read on it is the complete opposite (she knows how f'cked up it is and overcompensates how great it was). I can totally see a young actress feeling uncomfortable and the director making a big deal about how important it is to make everyone feel safe because he's a feminist, and her texting him that she felt soooo safe when it was the opposite. I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm just saying I don't assume that text to Baldoni is the sum total of what happened. That's one text, there's also going to be her communications with Lively and with other people (especially if she texted her actual family and friends about it, those might be closer to her real thoughts) and testimony from people who were on set. There are so many zigzags in this case, we could all be completely shocked when we actually learn more.

Mikey Madison did not go running around talking about how great it was that the director and his wife acted out the scenes for her. Here's one of her quotes about it: "For our film, it was a choice that I made; the filmmakers offered me, if I wanted, an intimacy coordinator. Mark Eydelshteyn, who plays Ivan, and I decided it would be best to just keep it small."

It sounds like ICs are a net good, but a lot of actors don't like them because it means yet another person (a stranger) seeing you naked.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Does the psychology of workplace harassment operate the same as domestic abuse?

I often see people conflating the two when it comes to the case. Like on r/IEWU, someone who was abused said she also texted her abuser after the fact. Obviously victims go back to their abusers all the time and text them like nothing happened, which means a positive text doesn't prove an abuser's innocence.

But does that dynamic map onto workplace relationships?

Anyways, what struck me about Isabela's text is ... I don't know, she sent it randomly after seeing something that reminded her of JB. And she was very specific about how safe she felt. It wasn't just like a "Let's work again" text or generic in anyway, which makes the belief that she was uncomfortable on set harder to buy.

I know nothing about this case but I was sexually harassed by a supervisor (repeated sexual comments plus two incidents where I was touched inappropriately in a private area at work without consent) and because I was young, new on the job, and there was a cult of worship around the supervisor,I continued to be very pleasant to them the entire time I worked there and even wound up inviting them to an important personal event. It was 100% because I was afraid of them and thought if they sensed I was upset about their behavior, they would go nuclear on me and badmouth me not just within the company but elsewhere too.

And I was right because when I finally left that job (took me a year to find another position from the date of the physical harassment), I was honest in my exit interview and told them what had happened, and the supervisor that of everyone I was a vindictive liar who was just bitter/jealous.

Again, only talking about my own experience here, but yes, workplace harassment can look like an abusive relationship. In my case, I needed the job and truly did not feel I could just walk away, and my youth was also a huge factor because I was really scared of getting labeled as a problem employee or complainer of I came forward. I know I'd handle that situation differently now, but I also think I'm way less likely to be harassed in that way now -- I now know that supervisor has a history of doing the same thing to new/young employees.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Does the psychology of workplace harassment operate the same as domestic abuse?

I often see people conflating the two when it comes to the case. Like on r/IEWU, someone who was abused said she also texted her abuser after the fact. Obviously victims go back to their abusers all the time and text them like nothing happened, which means a positive text doesn't prove an abuser's innocence.

But does that dynamic map onto workplace relationships?

Anyways, what struck me about Isabela's text is ... I don't know, she sent it randomly after seeing something that reminded her of JB. And she was very specific about how safe she felt. It wasn't just like a "Let's work again" text or generic in anyway, which makes the belief that she was uncomfortable on set harder to buy.

I know nothing about this case but I was sexually harassed by a supervisor (repeated sexual comments plus two incidents where I was touched inappropriately in a private area at work without consent) and because I was young, new on the job, and there was a cult of worship around the supervisor,I continued to be very pleasant to them the entire time I worked there and even wound up inviting them to an important personal event. It was 100% because I was afraid of them and thought if they sensed I was upset about their behavior, they would go nuclear on me and badmouth me not just within the company but elsewhere too.

And I was right because when I finally left that job (took me a year to find another position from the date of the physical harassment), I was honest in my exit interview and told them what had happened, and the supervisor that of everyone I was a vindictive liar who was just bitter/jealous.

Again, only talking about my own experience here, but yes, workplace harassment can look like an abusive relationship. In my case, I needed the job and truly did not feel I could just walk away, and my youth was also a huge factor because I was really scared of getting labeled as a problem employee or complainer of I came forward. I know I'd handle that situation differently now, but I also think I'm way less likely to be harassed in that way now -- I now know that supervisor has a history of doing the same thing to new/young employees.

Anonymous wrote:

But does that dynamic map onto workplace relationships?

Actors seem to act more familiar with each other than typical co-workers. They're filming intimate scenes, lines get blurred... I don't think it tracks with normal workplaces. I keep thinking back to the Anora actress saying she didn't want an Intimacy Coordinator and totally loved the director and his wife acting out the sex scenes for her... maybe it's true... my read on it is the complete opposite (she knows how f'cked up it is and overcompensates how great it was). I can totally see a young actress feeling uncomfortable and the director making a big deal about how important it is to make everyone feel safe because he's a feminist, and her texting him that she felt soooo safe when it was the opposite. I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm just saying I don't assume that text to Baldoni is the sum total of what happened. That's one text, there's also going to be her communications with Lively and with other people (especially if she texted her actual family and friends about it, those might be closer to her real thoughts) and testimony from people who were on set. There are so many zigzags in this case, we could all be completely shocked when we actually learn more.

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Does the psychology of workplace harassment operate the same as domestic abuse?

I often see people conflating the two when it comes to the case. Like on r/IEWU, someone who was abused said she also texted her abuser after the fact. Obviously victims go back to their abusers all the time and text them like nothing happened, which means a positive text doesn't prove an abuser's innocence.

But does that dynamic map onto workplace relationships?

Anyways, what struck me about Isabela's text is ... I don't know, she sent it randomly after seeing something that reminded her of JB. And she was very specific about how safe she felt. It wasn't just like a "Let's work again" text or generic in anyway, which makes the belief that she was uncomfortable on set harder to buy.

But does that dynamic map onto workplace relationships?

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Anonymous wrote:So you guys think Ferrer's testimony helps Wayfarer? Why did Wayfarer offer to exclude her testimony completely then? I bet Ferrer said stuff to Blake that contradicts what she said in those lovey dovey texts to Baldoni... the same way Lively and Baldoni were so sweet to each other in texts while actually complaining about each other to other people.

It's reasonable to want to see all her texts and depose her, and Wayfarer will have their chance to do that. I just don't think Liman is that fargone but I didn't think he would give Jed's client list either, lol.

It certainly doesn’t seem like she is a fan of Wayfarer, but if she was harassed, it would be astounding to me that she wouldn’t want to just cooperate but instead make this public spectacle. You can’t exactly argue. She doesn’t want to be a part of this because these actions have drawn a ton more attention than if she were to just cooperate.

If she was harassed she should just simply cooperate and make that known, and tell her story and be done with it. But, if she wasn’t harassed, and it is true what people are speculating, she talked out of both sides of her mouth and told Blake what she wanted to hear or now realizes that she was easily swayed by Blake, that would be an explanation for why she is doing this.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you guys think Ferrer's testimony helps Wayfarer? Why did Wayfarer offer to exclude her testimony completely then? I bet Ferrer said stuff to Blake that contradicts what she said in those lovey dovey texts to Baldoni... the same way Lively and Baldoni were so sweet to each other in texts while actually complaining about each other to other people.

It's reasonable to want to see all her texts and depose her, and Wayfarer will have their chance to do that. I just don't think Liman is that fargone but I didn't think he would give Jed's client list either, lol.

It certainly doesn’t seem like she is a fan of Wayfarer, but if she was harassed, it would be astounding to me that she wouldn’t want to just cooperate but instead make this public spectacle. You can’t exactly argue. She doesn’t want to be a part of this because these actions have drawn a ton more attention than if she were to just cooperate.

If she was harassed she should just simply cooperate and make that known, and tell her story and be done with it. But, if she wasn’t harassed, and it is true what people are speculating, she talked out of both sides of her mouth and told Blake what she wanted to hear or now realizes that she was easily swayed by Blake, that would be an explanation for why she is doing this.

Really? You can't imagine that she wouldn't want to be retaliated against by bringing up her own complaints?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you guys think Ferrer's testimony helps Wayfarer? Why did Wayfarer offer to exclude her testimony completely then? I bet Ferrer said stuff to Blake that contradicts what she said in those lovey dovey texts to Baldoni... the same way Lively and Baldoni were so sweet to each other in texts while actually complaining about each other to other people.

It's reasonable to want to see all her texts and depose her, and Wayfarer will have their chance to do that. I just don't think Liman is that fargone but I didn't think he would give Jed's client list either, lol.

It certainly doesn’t seem like she is a fan of Wayfarer, but if she was harassed, it would be astounding to me that she wouldn’t want to just cooperate but instead make this public spectacle. You can’t exactly argue. She doesn’t want to be a part of this because these actions have drawn a ton more attention than if she were to just cooperate.

If she was harassed she should just simply cooperate and make that known, and tell her story and be done with it. But, if she wasn’t harassed, and it is true what people are speculating, she talked out of both sides of her mouth and told Blake what she wanted to hear or now realizes that she was easily swayed by Blake, that would be an explanation for why she is doing this.

Really? You can't imagine that she wouldn't want to be retaliated against by bringing up her own complaints?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you guys think Ferrer's testimony helps Wayfarer? Why did Wayfarer offer to exclude her testimony completely then? I bet Ferrer said stuff to Blake that contradicts what she said in those lovey dovey texts to Baldoni... the same way Lively and Baldoni were so sweet to each other in texts while actually complaining about each other to other people.

It's reasonable to want to see all her texts and depose her, and Wayfarer will have their chance to do that. I just don't think Liman is that fargone but I didn't think he would give Jed's client list either, lol.

It certainly doesn’t seem like she is a fan of Wayfarer, but if she was harassed, it would be astounding to me that she wouldn’t want to just cooperate but instead make this public spectacle. You can’t exactly argue. She doesn’t want to be a part of this because these actions have drawn a ton more attention than if she were to just cooperate.

If she was harassed she should just simply cooperate and make that known, and tell her story and be done with it. But, if she wasn’t harassed, and it is true what people are speculating, she talked out of both sides of her mouth and told Blake what she wanted to hear or now realizes that she was easily swayed by Blake, that would be an explanation for why she is doing this.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you guys think Ferrer's testimony helps Wayfarer? Why did Wayfarer offer to exclude her testimony completely then? I bet Ferrer said stuff to Blake that contradicts what she said in those lovey dovey texts to Baldoni... the same way Lively and Baldoni were so sweet to each other in texts while actually complaining about each other to other people.

It's reasonable to want to see all her texts and depose her, and Wayfarer will have their chance to do that. I just don't think Liman is that fargone but I didn't think he would give Jed's client list either, lol.

It certainly doesn’t seem like she is a fan of Wayfarer, but if she was harassed, it would be astounding to me that she wouldn’t want to just cooperate but instead make this public spectacle. You can’t exactly argue. She doesn’t want to be a part of this because these actions have drawn a ton more attention than if she were to just cooperate.

If she was harassed she should just simply cooperate and make that known, and tell her story and be done with it. But, if she wasn’t harassed, and it is true what people are speculating, she talked out of both sides of her mouth and told Blake what she wanted to hear or now realizes that she was easily swayed by Blake, that would be an explanation for why she is doing this.