Anonymous wrote:What do u mean they had burke's medical records sealed?

I just googled it looks like they remain sealed to this day. The Ramsey's asked for and were able to have his records sealed.

Anonymous wrote:I adjusted the $118k bonus. It's $180k is today's money.

And this is Boulder. COL is lower (I know Boulder in the last 20 years has gotten pricier). The home would probably be closer to 2-3 million in DC. He had a private plane - that is pretty expensive - and weren't they going to a vacation home? I'm pretty sure they were loaded.

My bonus this year was 7K, and I make $120K base salary. So if you extrapolate from there, he could easily be making 500-600K or more annual base salary. That in the 90s in a lower COL is a lot of money. Hell it's a lot of money current day in DC area. But back then and there, even more.

Anonymous wrote:I adjusted the $118k bonus. It's $180k is today's money.

Right. His bonus alone puts his family in the top 10% of U.S. families' annual salary. His 1996 worth was estimated at $6.4M, again today that's the equivalent of about $9.96M. With a bonus that big, his annual salary was probably at least $500K.

You and I must run in very different circles for you to think that's not wealthy.

What do u mean they had burke's medical records sealed?

I adjusted the $118k bonus. It's $180k is today's money.

Anonymous wrote:When people talk about how rich they were, what does that even mean? House is worth $1M, and an annual/holiday bonus of $180,000 (inflation adjusted) isn't crazy money. Not sure what kind of plane John was flying. Did media exaggerate their wealth?

To most of America, including me, that is crazy wealth. Also, those dollar figures were 1990s money, that bonus would be the equivalent now of almost $200K.

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Anonymous wrote:To add - if you look at this as a murder it is a one of a kind crime. There was and still had never been an FBI case with the note and he body in the home at the same time. Why? Because if you want to get money from your actions, you don't kill before you receive it. The note is guided as a ransom note for money. From someone who wanted money. The person writing it would not have killed the person that was the only way for them to receive the money. They would not have gone thru the trouble of writing such a long note, sneaking in and out of a house, finding the child, lightly tying her wrists, stanguling, feeding her, hitting her over her head, breaking up the paint supply brush, finding the note pad, finding the sharpie, replacing them all back into the places they belonged and then leave without the money and without the child.

Unless the plan was to not kill her, but things did not go according to plan.

There would not have been time for things to not go as planned. He couldn't run back upstairs for the flashlight or up and out the front door undetected once he heard them on the phone (if he was in the basement he couldn't hear the phone, right?) and if it was an intruder if he could hear them dialing 9-11 in the kitchen the house is certainly not as soundproof as the intruder theory makes it. They certainly would've heard something if that's the case.

Right, but it could have been that the note was written before they got home, etc... and then the abduction did not go as planned, so the intruder killed her and left her there.

But then the intruder would have just taken the note with him. We know the note was not on the stairs when they got home because JB was with them at the party. An intruder wouldn't just leave the note out on a desk or chair and then move it. They would keep it with them until the time was right. also with Patsy up packing he would not have been able to access the levels without anyone seeing or hearing him for atleast a few hours post their arrival back. That pushes things really close to the 5am wake up time and he or she having to have placed the note and been gone by then.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes no sense, if they are so distraught, that they would write an elaborate 3 page note, when one page would've sufficed. And to use a garrote with its' elaborate knots. It was said the blow to the head already was enough to kill her. Why not just put a pillow over her head then?

I also am wondering now, since the note contained so many threats to kill JB if any calls were made to the PD, etc., if the killer was actually still in the house and overheard Patsy's call to the police? And then killed JB as he said he would. He knew it would still take a while for the police to show up. There was a 911 call said to have been made during the Christmas party, and no one owned up to it when the police arrived. It may have been Santa or someone else there timing the police response. (Read earlier posts) Santa used to be a college professor, and he was verbose.

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Sad that people are vilifying Burke because he's a little odd.

I don't think that anyone has said that Burke intentionally killed his sister. But Burke killing JonBenet UNintentionally and the parents covering up seems the most likely scenario.

Anonymous wrote:1. If they wiped the flashlight of
Fingerprints why not put it back down in the basement
2. How could patsy continue to mother burke if he was responsible. Do you think she could without showing anger to him?

That's a good question (about mothering him). I'm guessing she may have been on some serious meds from then on.

When people talk about how rich they were, what does that even mean? House is worth $1M, and an annual/holiday bonus of $180,000 (inflation adjusted) isn't crazy money. Not sure what kind of plane John was flying. Did media exaggerate their wealth?

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Anonymous wrote:To add - if you look at this as a murder it is a one of a kind crime. There was and still had never been an FBI case with the note and he body in the home at the same time. Why? Because if you want to get money from your actions, you don't kill before you receive it. The note is guided as a ransom note for money. From someone who wanted money. The person writing it would not have killed the person that was the only way for them to receive the money. They would not have gone thru the trouble of writing such a long note, sneaking in and out of a house, finding the child, lightly tying her wrists, stanguling, feeding her, hitting her over her head, breaking up the paint supply brush, finding the note pad, finding the sharpie, replacing them all back into the places they belonged and then leave without the money and without the child.

Unless the plan was to not kill her, but things did not go according to plan.

There would not have been time for things to not go as planned. He couldn't run back upstairs for the flashlight or up and out the front door undetected once he heard them on the phone (if he was in the basement he couldn't hear the phone, right?) and if it was an intruder if he could hear them dialing 9-11 in the kitchen the house is certainly not as soundproof as the intruder theory makes it. They certainly would've heard something if that's the case.

Right, but it could have been that the note was written before they got home, etc... and then the abduction did not go as planned, so the intruder killed her and left her there.

No. An abductor could still take the body with him and potentially get his ransom. The key is that the parents need to think she is still alive to hand over the dough.

1) My guess is that they either were in such a rush hence the pineapple and tea left on the table that they grabbed either what Burke (in this scenario we will use the Burke theory) told them he hit her with or in John/Patsy's own searching for what seemed out of place grabbed and wiped it. Another idea is that he typically used that flashlight regularly to get back downstairs and they put two and two together and took their chances and wiped every finger print off of it.

Remember the ransom note is said to have no finger prints on it at all - meaning neither John nor Patsy handled it to read it. Patsys palm is on the door to where JonBenet was found I believe possibly in an act of grief she placed her hand there.

2) The fact that they would risk their own freedom to protect him is in itself the greatest love. That they were willing to make sure he was not looked at as a suspect from staging to sealing medical records shows they would do anything for that child(man now).

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Anonymous wrote:To add - if you look at this as a murder it is a one of a kind crime. There was and still had never been an FBI case with the note and he body in the home at the same time. Why? Because if you want to get money from your actions, you don't kill before you receive it. The note is guided as a ransom note for money. From someone who wanted money. The person writing it would not have killed the person that was the only way for them to receive the money. They would not have gone thru the trouble of writing such a long note, sneaking in and out of a house, finding the child, lightly tying her wrists, stanguling, feeding her, hitting her over her head, breaking up the paint supply brush, finding the note pad, finding the sharpie, replacing them all back into the places they belonged and then leave without the money and without the child.

Unless the plan was to not kill her, but things did not go according to plan.

There would not have been time for things to not go as planned. He couldn't run back upstairs for the flashlight or up and out the front door undetected once he heard them on the phone (if he was in the basement he couldn't hear the phone, right?) and if it was an intruder if he could hear them dialing 9-11 in the kitchen the house is certainly not as soundproof as the intruder theory makes it. They certainly would've heard something if that's the case.

Right, but it could have been that the note was written before they got home, etc... and then the abduction did not go as planned, so the intruder killed her and left her there.

1. If they wiped the flashlight of
Fingerprints why not put it back down in the basement
2. How could patsy continue to mother burke if he was responsible. Do you think she could without showing anger to him?

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Anonymous wrote:To add - if you look at this as a murder it is a one of a kind crime. There was and still had never been an FBI case with the note and he body in the home at the same time. Why? Because if you want to get money from your actions, you don't kill before you receive it. The note is guided as a ransom note for money. From someone who wanted money. The person writing it would not have killed the person that was the only way for them to receive the money. They would not have gone thru the trouble of writing such a long note, sneaking in and out of a house, finding the child, lightly tying her wrists, stanguling, feeding her, hitting her over her head, breaking up the paint supply brush, finding the note pad, finding the sharpie, replacing them all back into the places they belonged and then leave without the money and without the child.

Unless the plan was to not kill her, but things did not go according to plan.

There would not have been time for things to not go as planned. He couldn't run back upstairs for the flashlight or up and out the front door undetected once he heard them on the phone (if he was in the basement he couldn't hear the phone, right?) and if it was an intruder if he could hear them dialing 9-11 in the kitchen the house is certainly not as soundproof as the intruder theory makes it. They certainly would've heard something if that's the case.