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Anonymous wrote:I’m amazed at the number of people who are comfortable antagonizing poorly trained, jacked up people with guns. It shouldn’t be this way but we’ve seen enough of police shooting people for me to wonder at the lack of self preservation.

If you’re gonna protest. Think about what you are doing. How you are doing it and what the possible outcomes might be. I know people will say it’s victim blaming but the only thing we can control is what we do.

They can't get all of us.

This.

Try us.

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Anonymous wrote:Please explain how jumping in front of a car and shooting at the driver's face is going to increase the safety of the shooter or any bystander.

There was no "jumping in front of the car".

The ICE agents were preparing to arrest the decedent. The ICE officer shooter had walked in front of the car, which was going in reverse, preparing to arrest her. The victim suddenly placed the car in drive, hit the accelerator in a reckless fashion, then hit the ICE agent with her vehicle (Honda Pilot).

One point of view is that the reckless driver attempting to escape law enforcement officers presented a danger to the community especially so after hitting an ICE agent with her SUV.

Unfortunately, people will interpret the video as they wish to support their political leanings.

Lawyers - do ICE agents have jurisdiction to arrest a someone for blocking a street lane? I am asking out of genuine curiousity.

Yes. Obstruction of justice; obstruction of a law enforcement officer in the performance of his/her duties.

Other cars went around her without problem. Why did this one stop and shoot her? What "justice" was being conducted by the officer that shot her at that time?

Why is she using her car to block and decide who gets by? is she in charge of traffic?

What does it matter? How does that even justify the second and third shots through the driver’s side window?

How many time are you allowed to fire if someone is trying to kill you with their car?

Let's find a case where somebody was trying to kill somebody with a car and we can discuss.

Google is your friend (and this happened in NOVA, no less):

“ Incident Overview
In the early hours of February 25, 2006, an off-duty Alexandria police officer shot and killed 18-year-old Aaron Brown at an IHOP restaurant in Alexandria, Virginia. The incident occurred after Brown and his friends left the restaurant without paying their bill.
Details of the Shooting
Time and Location: The shooting took place around 3:40 a.m. in the parking lot of IHOP located at 6254 Duke Street.
Circumstances: The officer, who was working a security detail, was alerted by a restaurant employee about the unpaid bill. When he attempted to stop the group, Brown was a backseat passenger in a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee that allegedly moved toward the officer. Fearing for his safety, the officer fired at the vehicle.
Outcome: Brown was struck and died at the scene. None of the other occupants or the officer were injured.
Investigations and Reactions
Investigations: Following the shooting, both a criminal investigation and an internal police review were initiated. The officer was placed on administrative leave.”

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Anonymous wrote:Earlier in the thread I posted that the shooter would go free and/or be pardoned by Trump. Some posters said no because it was a state issue. JD Vance says it's a federal issue and the the ICE agent has "absolute immunity" from prosecution.

Let's be clear on what he's signaling: ICE agents have "absolute immunity," even if they kill unarmed civilians, and there's nothing that local or state officials can do about it. Expect to see more civilian deaths at the hands of ICE.

That's not how that works, but they don't seem to care.

Anonymous wrote:Kristi Noem accidentally doxxed him because she mentioned he was in a separate incident and people went straight to investigating.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m amazed at the number of people who are comfortable antagonizing poorly trained, jacked up people with guns. It shouldn’t be this way but we’ve seen enough of police shooting people for me to wonder at the lack of self preservation.

If you’re gonna protest. Think about what you are doing. How you are doing it and what the possible outcomes might be. I know people will say it’s victim blaming but the only thing we can control is what we do.

They can't get all of us.

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Anonymous wrote:Kristi Noem accidentally doxxed him because she mentioned he was in a separate incident and people went straight to investigating.

Is there any way to hold him responsible? I know he has likely fled the state at the FBI will try to protect him...

If I was an ICE/BP agent, I'd be very scared for my family because people are going to start to take justice into their own hands...

And what exactly are you cowards going to do?

Libs carry guns too

And ice cowards mask and drag women and children and defenseless people

When cornered by larger numbers they run

As seen in other cities

be honest: all you want is mob rule after de-masking this federal worker just trying fees his family

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Anonymous wrote:The reported shooter is lucky. A search for Jonathan Ross still almost exclusively turns up hits for the UK comic and presenter.

I think today it sank in that he will face zero repercusiones and nothing is going to change. This feels like a new and accelerated time, because of the sheer willingness of the government to keep the arms flowing, married to the unwillingness to end sovereign immunity, money in politics, or seriously prosecuting insurrection and murder by state agents and politicians. For every humiliating Bob Menéndez trial, we have a Trump walking around and ruling or getting massive financial windfalls.

This isn’t Kent State. In 1970, you could not be tracked virtually round the clock and/or presumed to be a “terrorist” because you read a columnist or donate to the ACLU. This feels very, very different.

He is apparent from here in Virginia!

What other info is out about him?

Honestly, spark plug bad built balding white guy screaming obscenities while pointing a loaded weapon at an unarmed woman could be any American middle-aged man.

Please think about how you are insulting non-violent middle aged men like me who are on your side. Why would you carelessly malign people who are also fighting for justice? There are enough real examples of violence that we don’t have to scapegoat innocent men in order to have a dynamic discussion about toxic masculinity.

No, I won’t. There is so much unopposed open misogyny in our culture that whistles by most men with nary a comment. So, no.

Anonymous wrote:Earlier in the thread I posted that the shooter would go free and/or be pardoned by Trump. Some posters said no because it was a state issue. JD Vance says it's a federal issue and the the ICE agent has "absolute immunity" from prosecution.

Let's be clear on what he's signaling: ICE agents have "absolute immunity," even if they kill unarmed civilians, and there's nothing that local or state officials can do about it. Expect to see more civilian deaths at the hands of ICE.

Anonymous wrote:Earlier in the thread I posted that the shooter would go free and/or be pardoned by Trump. Some posters said no because it was a state issue. JD Vance says it's a federal issue and the the ICE agent has "absolute immunity" from prosecution.

Let's be clear on what he's signaling: ICE agents have "absolute immunity," even if they kill unarmed civilians, and there's nothing that local or state officials can do about it. Expect to see more civilian deaths at the hands of ICE.

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Anonymous wrote:But if they were worried of her running away, then why couldn’t the police just shoot her in the leg instead ?

Tennessee v Garner, you can't shoot someone that is running away

But if they were worried of her running away, then why couldn’t the police just shoot her in the leg instead ?


Tennessee v Garner, you can't shoot someone that is running away”


ok. if you are so opposed to them just shooting her in the leg then why didn’t the police just shoot out her tires?

NP.

Good question! Why didn’t they shooter out her tires?

- or shoot the steering wheel out of her hands?

Or get the f@ck out of the road?

Anonymous wrote:Earlier in the thread I posted that the shooter would go free and/or be pardoned by Trump. Some posters said no because it was a state issue. JD Vance says it's a federal issue and the the ICE agent has "absolute immunity" from prosecution.

Let's be clear on what he's signaling: ICE agents have "absolute immunity," even if they kill unarmed civilians, and there's nothing that local or state officials can do about it. Expect to see more civilian deaths at the hands of ICE.

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Anonymous wrote:Kristi Noem accidentally doxxed him because she mentioned he was in a separate incident and people went straight to investigating.

Is there any way to hold him responsible? I know he has likely fled the state at the FBI will try to protect him...

If I was an ICE/BP agent, I'd be very scared for my family because people are going to start to take justice into their own hands...

And what exactly are you cowards going to do?

Libs carry guns too

And ice cowards mask and drag women and children and defenseless people

When cornered by larger numbers they run

As seen in other cities

Anonymous wrote:French person here.

This was on the French news. The presenter clearly laid out the difference between what ICE claims to have happened, and what the videos show.

I think it's only a tiny subset of MAGA trolls who insist this was not a fatal error on the part of the ICE agent.