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Anonymous wrote:Great pilot analysis. He seems fairly confident the Helo simply had the wrong airplane in sight. Literally did not see the other plane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfgllf1L9_4

If true it's really hard to understand how they don't see the airplane right in front of them, both on radar and visually. Like I understand what this guy is saying and I assume he knows more than I do about what it's like in the air, but when you look at the radar and see the video footage, it's hard to make sense of because the plane is *right there.*

What is the reason they might not be looking at radar to see the closer plane? There are two pilots and a crew chief on the helicopter. Surely one of them would be in charge of checking radar especially while flying through that particular corridor knowing there will be planes taking off and landing from National. I don't get it.

It also raises the question of whether the night vision goggles they were wearing for training purposes obscured their vision to the degree that it made it more likely they would not see the closer jet and would think the area closer to them was clear. If that's the case, I'm sorry, but this is 100% on the DoD for permitting that kind of training flight near a very busy urban airport. Like completely unacceptable. I understand why an Army pilot would need training with night vision goggles but there is no reason why that should be done in an area where it could jeopardize civilian lives in that way.

So if this is the explanation, it honestly raises more questions than it answers. IMO.

I see what you are saying. But the Helo pilot acknowledges at least twice (maybe 3 times?) that he sses the aircraft and assumes responsibility for visual separation. So he's either a terrible judge of distance and incorrectly thought he would clear the plane, OR was focuses on creating visual deparation from a completely different plane.

It’s confirmation bias. When your brain thinks you’ve seen “the thing” it stops looking for other things, even if your eyes are on the sky/screen/whathaveyou.

We teach our residents “what do you look for after you see a fracture?” (on X-ray or CT, whatever). The answer is “the second fracture”.

I’ve seen people miss some crazy sh!t bc their eyes and brain are looking at what they think the pathology is, and they’re completely blind to the other issue that’s literally right there.

We take a lot of our error reduction education from the aviation industry, or at least try to. Pilots are better than we are at acknowledging the propensity for human error (probably bc a lot of us doctors are @ssholes).

We cleared our incoming space last night for a mass casualty event in prep for what we hoped were survivors. Awful when no one came.

Give me a break. Even bankers know to double check their numbers and have a healthy sense of paranoia to check around.

Piloting a huge black hawk a quarter mile from a busy active airport at night at the wrong altitude is WAY BEYOND confidence biases and confirmation biases.

They’ll disclose the investigation, the background of the pilot in control, and the helo black box recording.

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe the orange fruitcake was back live to be seen signing useless papers and spewing more crap. He’ll have to take those back like all the other lies he signed this week. He doesn’t care about the victims. He knows the world is watching and press is his only concern. I guess he’ll be back later today and he can take questions while he eats dinner.

Wait till you find out what the papers were.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/01/29/us/plane-crash-washington-dc

Staffing at the air traffic control tower at Ronald Reagan National Airport was “not normal” during the deadly late-night crash between a passenger jet and an Army helicopter that killed 67 people, a preliminary Federal Aviation Administration report said, as bodies of the victims were being recovered Thursday from the icy Potomac.

The internal report reviewed by The New York Times said the controller who was handling helicopters in the airport’s vicinity on Wednesday night was also instructing planes that were landing and departing from its runways — jobs typically assigned to two different controllers. President Trump promised on Thursday that a thorough investigation would be conducted, while also engaging in political attacks on his predecessors.

This was not an ATC nor staffing issue.

Just because you say something does not make it true. I prefer to actually read cited news sources. You can go play around with your tinfoil hat.

At this point no one knows what happened - as emphasized by the NTSB folks who just spoke to the press. Not even cited news sources. If anyone or any news site is reporting cause right now, they are making it up. Everyone needs to hold their horses.

+1 million

Normally they would not be doing this. But people are taking their cues from Trump shooting off his mouth and blaming all the dead people.

He told the CNN reporter, a woman, that her question was dumb. He is garbage.

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Anonymous wrote:Great pilot analysis. He seems fairly confident the Helo simply had the wrong airplane in sight. Literally did not see the other plane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfgllf1L9_4

If true it's really hard to understand how they don't see the airplane right in front of them, both on radar and visually. Like I understand what this guy is saying and I assume he knows more than I do about what it's like in the air, but when you look at the radar and see the video footage, it's hard to make sense of because the plane is *right there.*

What is the reason they might not be looking at radar to see the closer plane? There are two pilots and a crew chief on the helicopter. Surely one of them would be in charge of checking radar especially while flying through that particular corridor knowing there will be planes taking off and landing from National. I don't get it.

It also raises the question of whether the night vision goggles they were wearing for training purposes obscured their vision to the degree that it made it more likely they would not see the closer jet and would think the area closer to them was clear. If that's the case, I'm sorry, but this is 100% on the DoD for permitting that kind of training flight near a very busy urban airport. Like completely unacceptable. I understand why an Army pilot would need training with night vision goggles but there is no reason why that should be done in an area where it could jeopardize civilian lives in that way.

So if this is the explanation, it honestly raises more questions than it answers. IMO.

I see what you are saying. But the Helo pilot acknowledges at least twice (maybe 3 times?) that he sses the aircraft and assumes responsibility for visual separation. So he's either a terrible judge of distance and incorrectly thought he would clear the plane, OR was focuses on creating visual deparation from a completely different plane.

It’s confirmation bias. When your brain thinks you’ve seen “the thing” it stops looking for other things, even if your eyes are on the sky/screen/whathaveyou.

We teach our residents “what do you look for after you see a fracture?” (on X-ray or CT, whatever). The answer is “the second fracture”.

I’ve seen people miss some crazy sh!t bc their eyes and brain are looking at what they think the pathology is, and they’re completely blind to the other issue that’s literally right there.

We take a lot of our error reduction education from the aviation industry, or at least try to. Pilots are better than we are at acknowledging the propensity for human error (probably bc a lot of us doctors are @ssholes).

We cleared our incoming space last night for a mass casualty event in prep for what we hoped were survivors. Awful when no one came.

Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe the orange fruitcake was back live to be seen signing useless papers and spewing more crap. He’ll have to take those back like all the other lies he signed this week. He doesn’t care about the victims. He knows the world is watching and press is his only concern. I guess he’ll be back later today and he can take questions while he eats dinner.

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Anonymous wrote:They released the name of the crew chief, who was in the back of the helicopter- but why haven’t they released the name of the pilot and co pilot?

Perhaps they haven't been able to get in touch with next of kin yet? They need to do that, before releasing names.

A lot of posters here don't understand that the 67 people who died have families that deserve compassion and that takes precedence over their hateful politicizing of this horrific tragedy. If only there was some national leader who was in charge of offering wisdom and empathy during crises like this.

You seem to not understand that it’s human nature to want to know who was piloting the helicopter that collided with my friend’s aircraft.

It’s a basic fact that will get out, so I can wait.

The more we wait, the more they seem to be hiding things.

Human nature also wants to know the why and what happened here.

None of what you said means you get to know before the families do or that they should find out their loved one died on the news.

The families know

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/01/29/us/plane-crash-washington-dc

Staffing at the air traffic control tower at Ronald Reagan National Airport was “not normal” during the deadly late-night crash between a passenger jet and an Army helicopter that killed 67 people, a preliminary Federal Aviation Administration report said, as bodies of the victims were being recovered Thursday from the icy Potomac.

The internal report reviewed by The New York Times said the controller who was handling helicopters in the airport’s vicinity on Wednesday night was also instructing planes that were landing and departing from its runways — jobs typically assigned to two different controllers. President Trump promised on Thursday that a thorough investigation would be conducted, while also engaging in political attacks on his predecessors.

This was not an ATC nor staffing issue.

Just because you say something does not make it true. I prefer to actually read cited news sources. You can go play around with your tinfoil hat.

At this point no one knows what happened - as emphasized by the NTSB folks who just spoke to the press. Not even cited news sources. If anyone or any news site is reporting cause right now, they are making it up. Everyone needs to hold their horses.

+1 million

Normally they would not be doing this. But people are taking their cues from Trump shooting off his mouth and blaming all the dead people.

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Anonymous wrote:They released the name of the crew chief, who was in the back of the helicopter- but why haven’t they released the name of the pilot and co pilot?

Perhaps they haven't been able to get in touch with next of kin yet? They need to do that, before releasing names.

A lot of posters here don't understand that the 67 people who died have families that deserve compassion and that takes precedence over their hateful politicizing of this horrific tragedy. If only there was some national leader who was in charge of offering wisdom and empathy during crises like this.

You seem to not understand that it’s human nature to want to know who was piloting the helicopter that collided with my friend’s aircraft.

It’s a basic fact that will get out, so I can wait.

The more we wait, the more they seem to be hiding things.

Human nature also wants to know the why and what happened here.

None of what you said means you get to know before the families do or that they should find out their loved one died on the news.

The families know

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Anonymous wrote:Daniel Driscoll, President Trump’s pick for secretary of the Army, said on Thursday that the Army might need to end flight training near congested urban airports like Reagan National Airport. Driscoll, speaking at a Senate Armed Services hearing to consider his nomination, said the Army would need to look at “where is an appropriate time to take training risk, and it may not be near an airport like Reagan.”

I don’t know anything about him but that was a great response. Thoughtful, measured, open minded, data driven

I mean, the bar is so low. This is a very average response.

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Anonymous wrote:Great pilot analysis. He seems fairly confident the Helo simply had the wrong airplane in sight. Literally did not see the other plane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfgllf1L9_4

If true it's really hard to understand how they don't see the airplane right in front of them, both on radar and visually. Like I understand what this guy is saying and I assume he knows more than I do about what it's like in the air, but when you look at the radar and see the video footage, it's hard to make sense of because the plane is *right there.*

What is the reason they might not be looking at radar to see the closer plane? There are two pilots and a crew chief on the helicopter. Surely one of them would be in charge of checking radar especially while flying through that particular corridor knowing there will be planes taking off and landing from National. I don't get it.

It also raises the question of whether the night vision goggles they were wearing for training purposes obscured their vision to the degree that it made it more likely they would not see the closer jet and would think the area closer to them was clear. If that's the case, I'm sorry, but this is 100% on the DoD for permitting that kind of training flight near a very busy urban airport. Like completely unacceptable. I understand why an Army pilot would need training with night vision goggles but there is no reason why that should be done in an area where it could jeopardize civilian lives in that way.

So if this is the explanation, it honestly raises more questions than it answers. IMO.

I see what you are saying. But the Helo pilot acknowledges at least twice (maybe 3 times?) that he sses the aircraft and assumes responsibility for visual separation. So he's either a terrible judge of distance and incorrectly thought he would clear the plane, OR was focuses on creating visual deparation from a completely different plane.

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Anonymous wrote:After hearing the NTSB chair talk for three minutes, I have more confidence in her than Trump or any of his Cabinet nominees.

She has taken 20 minutes to say I’m not telling you anything today.

That is much more responsible, and sensitive to family members, though wildly uninformed speculation (as spewed out by the Cheeto-in Chief).

+1, the point of a press conference today is simply to express condolences, explain next steps, and possibly answer procedural questions about technical stuff like who has jurisdiction over various aspects of the incident.

There are few answers to be found less than 24 hours after an event like this and there is little to be gained in rushing to provide them until you have had time to do some due diligence.

There is zero reason to engage in free ranging speculation and placing blame as the president and his lackeys did. It helps no one.

He and his lackeys know less than a summer intern would pick up about how any professional organization operates (e.g., the chief executive should not say “bullshit” at a press conference).

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Anonymous wrote:They released the name of the crew chief, who was in the back of the helicopter- but why haven’t they released the name of the pilot and co pilot?

Perhaps they haven't been able to get in touch with next of kin yet? They need to do that, before releasing names.

A lot of posters here don't understand that the 67 people who died have families that deserve compassion and that takes precedence over their hateful politicizing of this horrific tragedy. If only there was some national leader who was in charge of offering wisdom and empathy during crises like this.

You seem to not understand that it’s human nature to want to know who was piloting the helicopter that collided with my friend’s aircraft.

It’s a basic fact that will get out, so I can wait.

The more we wait, the more they seem to be hiding things.

Human nature also wants to know the why and what happened here.

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Anonymous wrote:They released the name of the crew chief, who was in the back of the helicopter- but why haven’t they released the name of the pilot and co pilot?

Perhaps they haven't been able to get in touch with next of kin yet? They need to do that, before releasing names.

A lot of posters here don't understand that the 67 people who died have families that deserve compassion and that takes precedence over their hateful politicizing of this horrific tragedy. If only there was some national leader who was in charge of offering wisdom and empathy during crises like this.

You seem to not understand that it’s human nature to want to know who was piloting the helicopter that collided with my friend’s aircraft.

It’s a basic fact that will get out, so I can wait.

The more we wait, the more they seem to be hiding things.

Human nature also wants to know the why and what happened here.

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Anonymous wrote:They released the name of the crew chief, who was in the back of the helicopter- but why haven’t they released the name of the pilot and co pilot?

Perhaps they haven't been able to get in touch with next of kin yet? They need to do that, before releasing names.

A lot of posters here don't understand that the 67 people who died have families that deserve compassion and that takes precedence over their hateful politicizing of this horrific tragedy. If only there was some national leader who was in charge of offering wisdom and empathy during crises like this.

You seem to not understand that it’s human nature to want to know who was piloting the helicopter that collided with my friend’s aircraft.

It’s a basic fact that will get out, so I can wait.

The more we wait, the more they seem to be hiding things.

Human nature also wants to know the why and what happened here.

None of what you said means you get to know before the families do or that they should find out their loved one died on the news.