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Anonymous wrote:And so what is your solution to this, PP? School vouchers?

Where did the school voucher comment come from? School should take seriously any violent threat and transfer kids to alternative schools.

DP here. My guess is that school shootings at private schools are incredibly rare.

But realistically, all school shootings are incredibly rare events, and your child stands a greater chance of being struck by lightning than shot in a school.

There is a real paranoia - as in an irrational, illogical fear - of our own child being at risk from a school shooting.

The risk of dying from a car crash on the way to school is far far higher. This whole thing is driven by media sensationalism. Examine the numbers for yourself and make rational decisions.

There should be no risk. We have become too lenient in addressing physically aggressive, violent, and emotionally disturbed individuals.

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Anonymous wrote:And so what is your solution to this, PP? School vouchers?

Where did the school voucher comment come from? School should take seriously any violent threat and transfer kids to alternative schools.

DP here. My guess is that school shootings at private schools are incredibly rare.

But realistically, all school shootings are incredibly rare events, and your child stands a greater chance of being struck by lightning than shot in a school.

There is a real paranoia - as in an irrational, illogical fear - of our own child being at risk from a school shooting.

The risk of dying from a car crash on the way to school is far far higher. This whole thing is driven by media sensationalism. Examine the numbers for yourself and make rational decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:And so what is your solution to this, PP? School vouchers?

Where did the school voucher comment come from? School should take seriously any violent threat and transfer kids to alternative schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you guys see the Daily Mail exclusive? The young man was employed at a local diner last year -- and was caught on security footage collapsing and banging his head on a table:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10280793/Ethan-Crumbley-seen-collapsing-working-diner-year.html

Substance abuse? Possible head injury or concussion from the fall? Very concerning and I wonder if he was having annual physicals? Perhaps there was an underlying organic issue of some kind going on. His coworker sounded very kind and concerned.

He and his brother were doing weed in the back room. Mother didn't care when called - she told the store manager he just happened eaten that day.

Negligent parents, they deserve everything coming their way.

And he told the manager that it was his dad who gave him the weed!

To clarify-- his older brother, Eli, said that to the manager. The weed incident was prior to the of this video, where he falls down.

Pot doesn't make you stumble around like that, though, right? So the weed incident is just another indicator of what kind of parents they were. This stumbling and fall must have been caused by something else. Alcohol? But if Ethan were drunk, seems like that other employee would recognize it and react a little differently.

he might be medicated (with wrong dose), or possibly high.

I'm concerned this is the case of an Aspie child who was never evaluated or taught appropriately, as I've done all these years with my Aspie kid, and who doesn't know when, how and most importantly, to what degree, to express symptoms and feelings. Aspies often over-react or under-react to physical injury and abusive behavior (teasing, bullying) because they don't have a handy and instinctual graduated guide in their head to tell them what the appropriate response is. I've seen it time and time again with my husband and son, who are both high-functioning autistic. The immense majority of people with Asperger's are not and will never be physically violent, but for the minuscule subset that can be brought to violence, buying them a gun and ignoring their need for behavioral modification and specialized teaching can lead to lethal outcomes.

This seems likely. Combined with bullying and it makes perfect sense.

Even if true, school responses to threats of violence will need to involve administration and a security officer.

But they do not. And parents like these only amp up the "retaliation theories", whether the bullying is real, or imagined (by the parents).

The parents need to raise their kids. Period. This kid should have been taken out of this house by CPS, long ago. Not sure if that would have helped the situation, but it could not have made it any worse, seeing who was (not) raising him.

PP here. I agree with you but want to say again that I think schools need to involve an administrator and security officer every time there's a threat of violence-- whether student is served through special education or not. I work part-time in a system that has had that approach for years. Maybe because Oxford is a small system, they have been used to a more low key response. They need to change.

PP here. I agree.

But, the issue is that the troublemaker parents dictate to the administration and tie the administration's hands through threats about "protections" of their troublemaker kids.

FCPS does this, and they are not the only one.

The administration/s need/s to be more able to bypass the troublemaker parents.

The troublemaker parents learn early and often how to work the system, in order to keep the troublemaker kids in school, because the troublemaker parents don't want to deal with their own kids, much like what happened in this shooter case.

When (not if) troublemaker kid assaults another student, the administration closes ranks to downplay the issue - because after years of dealing with troublemaker parents, the administration knows darn well which kids have minimally or UNADDRESSED anger issues, and how the troublemaker parents will (over react. After all, where do you think the troublemaker kids learn their behaviors (again, much like this particular shooter). The troublemaker parents don't want anyone to know - but it is glaringly obvious who is who. The troublemaker parents want to go on with their head in the sand, and the administration is happy to accommodate.

There are county police and school security rendered useless, because the assailant parents know how to work the system - these parents are literally known to the police, security team, and administration. That is how bad it is, IRL. Of course, none of those involved are going to admit this, because the troublemaker parents are so vindictive and uncooperative - just like their kids are. In short, they think they are above the law, so they point the finger elsewhere.

Unfortunately, for the majority of the students, not everyone can afford private school, where apparently this is not tolerated. But it most certainly is tolerated and enabled in public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you guys see the Daily Mail exclusive? The young man was employed at a local diner last year -- and was caught on security footage collapsing and banging his head on a table:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10280793/Ethan-Crumbley-seen-collapsing-working-diner-year.html

Substance abuse? Possible head injury or concussion from the fall? Very concerning and I wonder if he was having annual physicals? Perhaps there was an underlying organic issue of some kind going on. His coworker sounded very kind and concerned.

He and his brother were doing weed in the back room. Mother didn't care when called - she told the store manager he just happened eaten that day.

Negligent parents, they deserve everything coming their way.

And he told the manager that it was his dad who gave him the weed!

To clarify-- his older brother, Eli, said that to the manager. The weed incident was prior to the of this video, where he falls down.

Pot doesn't make you stumble around like that, though, right? So the weed incident is just another indicator of what kind of parents they were. This stumbling and fall must have been caused by something else. Alcohol? But if Ethan were drunk, seems like that other employee would recognize it and react a little differently.

he might be medicated (with wrong dose), or possibly high.

I'm concerned this is the case of an Aspie child who was never evaluated or taught appropriately, as I've done all these years with my Aspie kid, and who doesn't know when, how and most importantly, to what degree, to express symptoms and feelings. Aspies often over-react or under-react to physical injury and abusive behavior (teasing, bullying) because they don't have a handy and instinctual graduated guide in their head to tell them what the appropriate response is. I've seen it time and time again with my husband and son, who are both high-functioning autistic. The immense majority of people with Asperger's are not and will never be physically violent, but for the minuscule subset that can be brought to violence, buying them a gun and ignoring their need for behavioral modification and specialized teaching can lead to lethal outcomes.

This seems likely. Combined with bullying and it makes perfect sense.

Even if true, school responses to threats of violence will need to involve administration and a security officer.

But they do not. And parents like these only amp up the "retaliation theories", whether the bullying is real, or imagined (by the parents).

The parents need to raise their kids. Period. This kid should have been taken out of this house by CPS, long ago. Not sure if that would have helped the situation, but it could not have made it any worse, seeing who was (not) raising him.

PP here. I agree with you but want to say again that I think schools need to involve an administrator and security officer every time there's a threat of violence-- whether student is served through special education or not. I work part-time in a system that has had that approach for years. Maybe because Oxford is a small system, they have been used to a more low key response. They need to change.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you guys see the Daily Mail exclusive? The young man was employed at a local diner last year -- and was caught on security footage collapsing and banging his head on a table:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10280793/Ethan-Crumbley-seen-collapsing-working-diner-year.html

Substance abuse? Possible head injury or concussion from the fall? Very concerning and I wonder if he was having annual physicals? Perhaps there was an underlying organic issue of some kind going on. His coworker sounded very kind and concerned.

He and his brother were doing weed in the back room. Mother didn't care when called - she told the store manager he just happened eaten that day.

Negligent parents, they deserve everything coming their way.

And he told the manager that it was his dad who gave him the weed!

To clarify-- his older brother, Eli, said that to the manager. The weed incident was prior to the of this video, where he falls down.

Pot doesn't make you stumble around like that, though, right? So the weed incident is just another indicator of what kind of parents they were. This stumbling and fall must have been caused by something else. Alcohol? But if Ethan were drunk, seems like that other employee would recognize it and react a little differently.

he might be medicated (with wrong dose), or possibly high.

I'm concerned this is the case of an Aspie child who was never evaluated or taught appropriately, as I've done all these years with my Aspie kid, and who doesn't know when, how and most importantly, to what degree, to express symptoms and feelings. Aspies often over-react or under-react to physical injury and abusive behavior (teasing, bullying) because they don't have a handy and instinctual graduated guide in their head to tell them what the appropriate response is. I've seen it time and time again with my husband and son, who are both high-functioning autistic. The immense majority of people with Asperger's are not and will never be physically violent, but for the minuscule subset that can be brought to violence, buying them a gun and ignoring their need for behavioral modification and specialized teaching can lead to lethal outcomes.

This seems likely. Combined with bullying and it makes perfect sense.

Even if true, school responses to threats of violence will need to involve administration and a security officer.

But they do not. And parents like these only amp up the "retaliation theories", whether the bullying is real, or imagined (by the parents).

The parents need to raise their kids. Period. This kid should have been taken out of this house by CPS, long ago. Not sure if that would have helped the situation, but it could not have made it any worse, seeing who was (not) raising him.

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Anonymous wrote: On or about November 16, 2021, days prior to the actual incident, multiple concerned parents provided communications to Defendant WOLF with concerns about threats to students made on social media,” the lawsuit reads.

“The parents’ communications to WOLF in part stated, ‘I know it’s been investigated but my kid doesn’t feel safe at school,’ ‘He didn’t even want to go back to school today.’”

Wolf is said to have responded to parents that same day and saying, “I know I’m being redundant here, but there is absolutely no threat at the HS…large assumptions were made from a few social media posts, then the assumptions evolved into exaggerated rumors.”

It was not clear from the lawsuit which social media posts were the focus of the parents’ appeal, but the lawsuit notes that both Wolf and Throne were made aware of threatening social media posts by Crumbley prior to the attack.

A post on Crumbley’s Twitter account on the eve of the attack apparently went unnoticed: “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds. See you tomorrow Oxford,” it read.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/oxford-high-school-lawsuits-detail-parents-pleas-before-alleged-shooting-by-ethan-crumbley?ref=home&via=twitter_page

😳. I had heard that some kids stayed home that day because of rumors of violence. I wondered if their concerns were ever reported to the admins. Now we know, and it is so, so sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you guys see the Daily Mail exclusive? The young man was employed at a local diner last year -- and was caught on security footage collapsing and banging his head on a table:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10280793/Ethan-Crumbley-seen-collapsing-working-diner-year.html

Substance abuse? Possible head injury or concussion from the fall? Very concerning and I wonder if he was having annual physicals? Perhaps there was an underlying organic issue of some kind going on. His coworker sounded very kind and concerned.

He and his brother were doing weed in the back room. Mother didn't care when called - she told the store manager he just happened eaten that day.

Negligent parents, they deserve everything coming their way.

And he told the manager that it was his dad who gave him the weed!

To clarify-- his older brother, Eli, said that to the manager. The weed incident was prior to the of this video, where he falls down.

Pot doesn't make you stumble around like that, though, right? So the weed incident is just another indicator of what kind of parents they were. This stumbling and fall must have been caused by something else. Alcohol? But if Ethan were drunk, seems like that other employee would recognize it and react a little differently.

he might be medicated (with wrong dose), or possibly high.

I'm concerned this is the case of an Aspie child who was never evaluated or taught appropriately, as I've done all these years with my Aspie kid, and who doesn't know when, how and most importantly, to what degree, to express symptoms and feelings. Aspies often over-react or under-react to physical injury and abusive behavior (teasing, bullying) because they don't have a handy and instinctual graduated guide in their head to tell them what the appropriate response is. I've seen it time and time again with my husband and son, who are both high-functioning autistic. The immense majority of people with Asperger's are not and will never be physically violent, but for the minuscule subset that can be brought to violence, buying them a gun and ignoring their need for behavioral modification and specialized teaching can lead to lethal outcomes.

This seems likely. Combined with bullying and it makes perfect sense.

Even if true, school responses to threats of violence will need to involve administration and a security officer.

Anonymous wrote: On or about November 16, 2021, days prior to the actual incident, multiple concerned parents provided communications to Defendant WOLF with concerns about threats to students made on social media,” the lawsuit reads.

“The parents’ communications to WOLF in part stated, ‘I know it’s been investigated but my kid doesn’t feel safe at school,’ ‘He didn’t even want to go back to school today.’”

Wolf is said to have responded to parents that same day and saying, “I know I’m being redundant here, but there is absolutely no threat at the HS…large assumptions were made from a few social media posts, then the assumptions evolved into exaggerated rumors.”

It was not clear from the lawsuit which social media posts were the focus of the parents’ appeal, but the lawsuit notes that both Wolf and Throne were made aware of threatening social media posts by Crumbley prior to the attack.

A post on Crumbley’s Twitter account on the eve of the attack apparently went unnoticed: “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds. See you tomorrow Oxford,” it read.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/oxford-high-school-lawsuits-detail-parents-pleas-before-alleged-shooting-by-ethan-crumbley?ref=home&via=twitter_page

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Anonymous wrote:Did you guys see the Daily Mail exclusive? The young man was employed at a local diner last year -- and was caught on security footage collapsing and banging his head on a table:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10280793/Ethan-Crumbley-seen-collapsing-working-diner-year.html

Substance abuse? Possible head injury or concussion from the fall? Very concerning and I wonder if he was having annual physicals? Perhaps there was an underlying organic issue of some kind going on. His coworker sounded very kind and concerned.

He and his brother were doing weed in the back room. Mother didn't care when called - she told the store manager he just happened eaten that day.

Negligent parents, they deserve everything coming their way.

And he told the manager that it was his dad who gave him the weed!

To clarify-- his older brother, Eli, said that to the manager. The weed incident was prior to the of this video, where he falls down.

Pot doesn't make you stumble around like that, though, right? So the weed incident is just another indicator of what kind of parents they were. This stumbling and fall must have been caused by something else. Alcohol? But if Ethan were drunk, seems like that other employee would recognize it and react a little differently.

he might be medicated (with wrong dose), or possibly high.

I'm concerned this is the case of an Aspie child who was never evaluated or taught appropriately, as I've done all these years with my Aspie kid, and who doesn't know when, how and most importantly, to what degree, to express symptoms and feelings. Aspies often over-react or under-react to physical injury and abusive behavior (teasing, bullying) because they don't have a handy and instinctual graduated guide in their head to tell them what the appropriate response is. I've seen it time and time again with my husband and son, who are both high-functioning autistic. The immense majority of people with Asperger's are not and will never be physically violent, but for the minuscule subset that can be brought to violence, buying them a gun and ignoring their need for behavioral modification and specialized teaching can lead to lethal outcomes.

This seems likely. Combined with bullying and it makes perfect sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you guys see the Daily Mail exclusive? The young man was employed at a local diner last year -- and was caught on security footage collapsing and banging his head on a table:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10280793/Ethan-Crumbley-seen-collapsing-working-diner-year.html

Substance abuse? Possible head injury or concussion from the fall? Very concerning and I wonder if he was having annual physicals? Perhaps there was an underlying organic issue of some kind going on. His coworker sounded very kind and concerned.

He and his brother were doing weed in the back room. Mother didn't care when called - she told the store manager he just happened eaten that day.

Negligent parents, they deserve everything coming their way.

And he told the manager that it was his dad who gave him the weed!

To clarify-- his older brother, Eli, said that to the manager. The weed incident was prior to the of this video, where he falls down.

Pot doesn't make you stumble around like that, though, right? So the weed incident is just another indicator of what kind of parents they were. This stumbling and fall must have been caused by something else. Alcohol? But if Ethan were drunk, seems like that other employee would recognize it and react a little differently.

he might be medicated (with wrong dose), or possibly high.

I'm concerned this is the case of an Aspie child who was never evaluated or taught appropriately, as I've done all these years with my Aspie kid, and who doesn't know when, how and most importantly, to what degree, to express symptoms and feelings. Aspies often over-react or under-react to physical injury and abusive behavior (teasing, bullying) because they don't have a handy and instinctual graduated guide in their head to tell them what the appropriate response is. I've seen it time and time again with my husband and son, who are both high-functioning autistic. The immense majority of people with Asperger's are not and will never be physically violent, but for the minuscule subset that can be brought to violence, buying them a gun and ignoring their need for behavioral modification and specialized teaching can lead to lethal outcomes.