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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do I search for the case? What is the case number?

case link was posted earlier in thread, but in general to search DC cases, go to DC court website and put in person's name -- "shipley, Kirkland"

I used that link. I put in Shipley and Kirkland but also had to enter a company name.

Nevermind. Got it

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do I search for the case? What is the case number?

case link was posted earlier in thread, but in general to search DC cases, go to DC court website and put in person's name -- "shipley, Kirkland"

I used that link. I put in Shipley and Kirkland but also had to enter a company name.

Anonymous wrote:MCPS continues to hire predators. Think it is time to start a program of continuous monitoring - not just one background check. Certain MCEA would fight it - but again they put their ‘members’ ahead of students nearly every day. (Eg COVID response). Why do we allow unions to dominate our kids again?

They already did monitoring. Joshua Starr checked all the schools for sexual predators. He said there weren't any.

Anonymous wrote:What has been proven to be effective in preventing sexual abuse? What have program evaluations found? Can we invite speakers? Can we offer training?

Is any country or city or county doing better at monitoring teachers?

We should also lobby for harsher punishments and no statue of limitations for sexual abuse in our county and state.

The teachers union at the state level has opposed stricter measures. They’ve even key voted some of them. Just a reminder that the teachers unions aren’t forces for good.

The policy should be zero tolerance for any violations of the relevant policies (ie texting, social media, failure to report, etc) so that predators can be terminated immediately.

What has been proven to be effective in preventing sexual abuse? What have program evaluations found? Can we invite speakers? Can we offer training?

Is any country or city or county doing better at monitoring teachers?

We should also lobby for harsher punishments and no statue of limitations for sexual abuse in our county and state.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few things, this is a club sport not a MCPS sport so I am not sure who hired him and what sort of background check was done.

These predators don't do this just once and get caught there are probably many out there including other former students at many schools who were victims and I hope they speak up to clear out the coaches who did this exact thing many years ago and perhaps still do.

Shipley was an MCPS teacher at Whitman as well as being a Whitman crew coach. So, MCPS hired him, and MCPS did a background check.

but probably not the crew club so they are liable not mcps who did one.

MCPS let these students hang out in his classroom. MCPS knew he was hanging around with students.

Anonymous wrote:I posted recently in the soccer thread about a well known soccer coach who had accusations and I was really concerned how many people came to his defense.

All the signs were there, grooming, ice cream after practice, private traying and none of the parents thought is was odd and when this happened many defended him saying he would eve go out to do things with their kids.

Seriously? Parents need to get their head out of the sand and take these classes about grooming.

Let's not forget about the NCAP found Rick Curl who had a relationship with a swimmer and the parents allowed it as long as she was a top swimmer. https://swimswam.com/sexual-abuser-swim-coach-rick-curl-released-from-prison-early/

I don't know if it was the same thread, but I posed on the soccer forum about how my child was in an activity where an active predator was operating and we had NO IDEA. It was 100% not the person you would expect, and the activity was one where the adults were in touch with kids via text to change logistics, set up additional practices, etc.

More than one person on that thread basically laughed and said they'd know a predator when they saw one and were going to keep letting coaches text their kids directly.

Anonymous wrote:MCPS continues to hire predators. Think it is time to start a program of continuous monitoring - not just one background check. Certain MCEA would fight it - but again they put their ‘members’ ahead of students nearly every day. (Eg COVID response). Why do we allow unions to dominate our kids again?

Shipley had been with MCPS for decades, and this is the first time he got caught. A background check wouldn't have turned anything up, but taking "rumors" seriously would have. You're focused on the wrong part of this story.

I posted recently in the soccer thread about a well known soccer coach who had accusations and I was really concerned how many people came to his defense.

All the signs were there, grooming, ice cream after practice, private traying and none of the parents thought is was odd and when this happened many defended him saying he would eve go out to do things with their kids.

Seriously? Parents need to get their head out of the sand and take these classes about grooming.

Let's not forget about the NCAP found Rick Curl who had a relationship with a swimmer and the parents allowed it as long as she was a top swimmer. https://swimswam.com/sexual-abuser-swim-coach-rick-curl-released-from-prison-early/

MCPS continues to hire predators. Think it is time to start a program of continuous monitoring - not just one background check. Certain MCEA would fight it - but again they put their ‘members’ ahead of students nearly every day. (Eg COVID response). Why do we allow unions to dominate our kids again?

This case does speak to policies that schools and crew programs should have in place regarding communications and interactions with students outside of school.

I know our school has very specific policies about teachers giving rides to students (gets complicated when a teacher is also a parent for example) and texting between coaches and athletes. Don't know what Whitman or Whitman's crew team's policies were but they should have had some.

This wouldn't have stopped a creep like this, necessarily, but it makes it easier to see red flags ahead of time.

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Anonymous wrote:This stuff seriously terrifies me.

My daughter is only in MS, but is a serious sports nut. I realize these scenarios can happen with teachers, but I feel like there are fewer/more easily crossed boundaries with coaching and other extracurricular activities.

(Also, how can any parent be unaware of grooming in this day and age? Blown away by PPs who seem surprised by this.)

I do not think many sex abuse programs include grooming as an aspect -- it's just "no one should touch your privates". I also don't think that many sex abuse programs caution about other kinds of touches -- hugs, back rubs, leg muscle rubs, brushes of arm or face/hair. These are not considered "private parts" but touching these areas is often a way of breaking boundaries and determining which victims will push back and which will not.

Also, remember until the "me too" movement, the idea that men should never touch women anywhere without their prior explicit verbal consent wasn't really a thing. TBH, it's still not really a thing in men over 25.

Safesport training definitely does.

FYI - I requested that the admins delete a post and its responses. I made the initial post, and I think the responses were on-point that it was unfair to compare the two situations without more information. Thanks to the admins for their prompt action in taking it down. Sorry for putting it up.

Anonymous wrote:This stuff seriously terrifies me.

My daughter is only in MS, but is a serious sports nut. I realize these scenarios can happen with teachers, but I feel like there are fewer/more easily crossed boundaries with coaching and other extracurricular activities.

(Also, how can any parent be unaware of grooming in this day and age? Blown away by PPs who seem surprised by this.)

They groom the parents, too. They know who really wants to get their kid a scholarship, so they play up how talented the kid is, offer special help. They know who is overwhelmed with work or family responsibilities, and they offer rides to practice or tournaments/meets/games. They build up trust in small ways over a period of moths or years, and break down the usual parental radar a little at a time.

You’d never let your daughter ride with an adult male you’d just met, of course. But it’s different when you’ve known him for years, he’s been so helpful getting her into special programs and camps, you’ve never seen anything from him to cause concern, and anyway Larla from the team will be riding with him, too. It’s not until later you find out Larla mysteriously “cancelled.”

Predators play the long game. Manipulating people is part of the thrill for them.

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Anonymous wrote:A few things, this is a club sport not a MCPS sport so I am not sure who hired him and what sort of background check was done.

These predators don't do this just once and get caught there are probably many out there including other former students at many schools who were victims and I hope they speak up to clear out the coaches who did this exact thing many years ago and perhaps still do.

Shipley was an MCPS teacher at Whitman as well as being a Whitman crew coach. So, MCPS hired him, and MCPS did a background check.

but probably not the crew club so they are liable not mcps who did one.