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Anonymous wrote:It’s the dig that makes me nervous about murder suicide. Somehow all of them sitting there and mom fleeing just makes me think … psychotic break.

Did they say whether she was farther from the car or closer to the car, than the dad?

DP. It just said she was up the trail. Can't imagine leaving my 9-month-old with a husband having a psychotic break (if that's what it was) but...

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing is awful. And if they didn't give that water to their baby and dog, it means the baby and dog maybe died AFTER the adults in the heat which is just...the stuff of nightmares on top of a nightmare already.

Maybe mom collapsed, and dad was trying to get help, but wasn't going to leave the dog and baby with collapsed mom, but then he didn't make it either, further down the hill. And then baby and dog perish in the interim.

Unless it was murder/suicide. Which I'd keep on the table until it's cleared.

Hiking on the hot day with a baby isn't unusual. Maybe they planned to be home by 9am. My infants woke up at 5am, we definitely could have done 7am hiking and planned to be home early.

In this scenario, the dog would not have died sitting next to the man.

The dog would have gone down to the river to find water and shade. Dogs also do not want to die in the open, they will go off to hide to die.

Anonymous wrote:It’s the dig that makes me nervous about murder suicide. Somehow all of them sitting there and mom fleeing just makes me think … psychotic break.

Did they say whether she was farther from the car or closer to the car, than the dad?

Was the baby still on the dad's lap? If the parents died first, the baby would have fallen off or wandered off. Carrying a baby in a pack can cause a person to overheat even more. They may have shared carrying the baby, but if they were avid hikers, you'd think they would be somewhat in shape. I don't think drinking moldy water would have killed them instantly. One parent could have been mentally ill and the other parent may have suggested they go on a hike to clear their heads. Buying the airbnb could have been a diversion, to make it seem like they had plans for the future.

It’s the dig that makes me nervous about murder suicide. Somehow all of them sitting there and mom fleeing just makes me think … psychotic break.

The whole thing is awful. And if they didn't give that water to their baby and dog, it means the baby and dog maybe died AFTER the adults in the heat which is just...the stuff of nightmares on top of a nightmare already.

Maybe mom collapsed, and dad was trying to get help, but wasn't going to leave the dog and baby with collapsed mom, but then he didn't make it either, further down the hill. And then baby and dog perish in the interim.

Unless it was murder/suicide. Which I'd keep on the table until it's cleared.

Hiking on the hot day with a baby isn't unusual. Maybe they planned to be home by 9am. My infants woke up at 5am, we definitely could have done 7am hiking and planned to be home early.

Anonymous wrote:Is there any update to this story? I'm thinking maybe they got hot (no shade) and drank the water (and the dog would definitely be drinking the water)

People don’t generally die from drinking toxic algae water, though. Plus they still had water with them, and their car was not far away. Plus plus, they were experienced hikers who would have known not to drink the water, let alone give it to their baby.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am always wary of going in the wilderness or jogging in a lonely park. We pretty much keep to a lovely pedestrian path near a calm road in our neighborhood. Even in the state parks I like to keep to paved areas and places where there are many people. I have bumped into some really weird people in MoCo parks and I don't like to go anywhere without some stuff for self-defense. You always hear of women dying in such areas.

I’m a woman and have done a lot of solo hiking. Long hikes too. I had several safety plans in place.

But one time I was a handful of miles from a trailhead on a not very busy trail and I came upon a man with a chain saw. No joke. I was petrified. Turns out he was from the “Friends of” group for that trail and was there to cut up a fallen tree and clear it from the trail. He was a nice guy and we chatted for a bit. But I was a lot more skittish about hiking on my own after that. I mean seriously, a chainsaw? In the middle of the woods? Can’t make it up.

How else is he supposed to clear fallen trees?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am always wary of going in the wilderness or jogging in a lonely park. We pretty much keep to a lovely pedestrian path near a calm road in our neighborhood. Even in the state parks I like to keep to paved areas and places where there are many people. I have bumped into some really weird people in MoCo parks and I don't like to go anywhere without some stuff for self-defense. You always hear of women dying in such areas.

I’m a woman and have done a lot of solo hiking. Long hikes too. I had several safety plans in place.

But one time I was a handful of miles from a trailhead on a not very busy trail and I came upon a man with a chain saw. No joke. I was petrified. Turns out he was from the “Friends of” group for that trail and was there to cut up a fallen tree and clear it from the trail. He was a nice guy and we chatted for a bit. But I was a lot more skittish about hiking on my own after that. I mean seriously, a chainsaw? In the middle of the woods? Can’t make it up.

My friend worked the overnight shift at a gas station in Boston. She was in a kiosk with bullet proof glass (the manager said). One night she was reading. Someone thumps on the glass and when she looks up it's a guy wielding a chainsaw. Terrifying. But he just needed gas.

I have also come across a man with a chainsaw while hiking.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am always wary of going in the wilderness or jogging in a lonely park. We pretty much keep to a lovely pedestrian path near a calm road in our neighborhood. Even in the state parks I like to keep to paved areas and places where there are many people. I have bumped into some really weird people in MoCo parks and I don't like to go anywhere without some stuff for self-defense. You always hear of women dying in such areas.

I’m a woman and have done a lot of solo hiking. Long hikes too. I had several safety plans in place.

But one time I was a handful of miles from a trailhead on a not very busy trail and I came upon a man with a chain saw. No joke. I was petrified. Turns out he was from the “Friends of” group for that trail and was there to cut up a fallen tree and clear it from the trail. He was a nice guy and we chatted for a bit. But I was a lot more skittish about hiking on my own after that. I mean seriously, a chainsaw? In the middle of the woods? Can’t make it up.

My friend worked the overnight shift at a gas station in Boston. She was in a kiosk with bullet proof glass (the manager said). One night she was reading. Someone thumps on the glass and when she looks up it's a guy wielding a chainsaw. Terrifying. But he just needed gas.

Bet in his trunk he had a terrified kid who was bound and gagged. She should have called the cops.

Is there any update to this story? I'm thinking maybe they got hot (no shade) and drank the water (and the dog would definitely be drinking the water)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am always wary of going in the wilderness or jogging in a lonely park. We pretty much keep to a lovely pedestrian path near a calm road in our neighborhood. Even in the state parks I like to keep to paved areas and places where there are many people. I have bumped into some really weird people in MoCo parks and I don't like to go anywhere without some stuff for self-defense. You always hear of women dying in such areas.

I’m a woman and have done a lot of solo hiking. Long hikes too. I had several safety plans in place.

But one time I was a handful of miles from a trailhead on a not very busy trail and I came upon a man with a chain saw. No joke. I was petrified. Turns out he was from the “Friends of” group for that trail and was there to cut up a fallen tree and clear it from the trail. He was a nice guy and we chatted for a bit. But I was a lot more skittish about hiking on my own after that. I mean seriously, a chainsaw? In the middle of the woods? Can’t make it up.

My friend worked the overnight shift at a gas station in Boston. She was in a kiosk with bullet proof glass (the manager said). One night she was reading. Someone thumps on the glass and when she looks up it's a guy wielding a chainsaw. Terrifying. But he just needed gas.

Anonymous wrote:They never found a cause of death for the MN sisters found dead in the Seychelles resort. Sometimes they cannot determine a cause of death.

I'm wondering what happened to the former Richmond news anchor. Her new husband or fiancee died the same day. Cause of death is not mentioned nor are they reporting on the new husband. You have to dig up the information.

There's a world of difference in lab capabilities in California/the United States and an outpost island like the Seychelles. Even transporting their bodies home would take weeks (between the red tape and the actual flights) - which would allow any toxins to decompose in the tissues.

They never found a cause of death for the MN sisters found dead in the Seychelles resort. Sometimes they cannot determine a cause of death.

I'm wondering what happened to the former Richmond news anchor. Her new husband or fiancee died the same day. Cause of death is not mentioned nor are they reporting on the new husband. You have to dig up the information.

I read the ^^ Bogle-Chandler case. Their bodies showed evidence they were quickly killed by toxic gases released by the river. The toxic gases were caused by severe pollution. The local topography allowed the gases to settle in the spot where this couple were at.

I think it's safe to theorize something along this line killed the young family. I would theorize it does not happen very often, and it must be a natural phenomena. The name gives a clue something like this happened in the past. Since the locals couldn't figure out what was killing people, they called it Devil's Gulch. If it happened more frequently in our contemporary time, the locals would be all over this phenomena, but they're not, so it seldom happens. But if I were in charge of the investigation, I would make sure anyone entering the investigated area wears a hazmat suit.